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A model of PT PAL's 163 m multimission support vessel at NAVDEX 2023 in Abu Dhabi. (Janes)

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) announced it had awarded the Indonesian shipyard PT PAL an AED1.5 billion (USD408.32 million) contract to supply a “multimission vessel” during the IDEX 2023 show being held in Abu Dhabi from 20 to 24 February.

PT PAL confirmed to Janes that the contract was for a 163 m multimission support vessel, which is a landing platform dock (LPD). The plan is to start construction in Indonesia in 2024 with the completed vessel delivered to the UAE Navy five to six years later.

The contract was announced without a value in July 2022 as part of a comprehensive economic partnership agreement between Indonesia and the UAE, although sources told Janes at the time that it had not been finalised.

PT PAL said that it could not comment on the systems and armament that will be fitted to the ship, but Emirati companies will be involved and it will supervise the process.

A second AED20 million contract was awarded to Marakeb Tecnologies to develop the Golden Unit for the new ship. Marakeb is an Emirati company that specialises in autonomous systems. It displayed a mock-up of an unmanned ground vehicle control station in the back of a Caiman armoured vehicle that it said has been delivered to the UAE Armed Forces.

 

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Is he mad because UAE is sending Serbia drones? They supposedly bought a “substantial amount” 😭😭😂😂😂🤷🏻‍♂️
Belive me in the tricky situations I never get mad , I just get steady.
I know very well that shooting in the air won't get you far.
That's called experience and training and it is what you severely lack though you are not lacking in the size of your gob.
 

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Damn, that's some next level sh*t.
 

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Among the models of naval platforms being presented at NAVDEX 2023, Fincantieri is exhibiting the S800 Light Submarine. The fact that the Italian shipbuilder has been showing the model for the first time in the Middle East, could be interpreted as an indication of the raising interest toward small and compact manned and unmanned combatant platforms in the region, although Fincantieri hasn’t commented and/or confirmed any programme in the same region. In a cyclical way such interest also surfaced in the past. In terms of platform and combat system readiness, the Italian shipbuilder mentioned to EDR On-Line a state of development compared to a post critical designed review (CDR) milestone.

The S800 has been developed to meet all main requirements for mission in the littoral environment, and at the same time provide comparable performance of conventional submarines operating in blue waters to more than 250 meters depth.

Conceived on the basis of concepts, experiences and technologies developed with the U212 and U212NFS programmes, and smaller platforms envisaged by Fincantieri in order to operate in shallow waters, the S800 Light Submarine is characterized by a compact design with an overall length of 51 meters, a pressure hull diameter of 4.80 meters and a total height (including mast) of 10 meters, alongside an automated platform control system with four ‘X’ stern rudders and forward hull-positioned hydroplanes, enabling the submarine to perform very tight maneuvers and follow the sea bottom contour.

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With a surfaced (ready to dive) and submerged displacement of respectively 750 and 850 tonnes, the S800 Light Submarine is characterized by a diesel-electric with AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) propulsion system featuring a 12-cylinders turbocharged V-batt diesel engine with synchronous generator, and a permanent magnet excitation electric motor driving a propeller group with a 3 meters diameter, and two batteries banks, alongside two Fuel Cells Modules with a maximum output power of 70 kWe each.

According to Fincantieri the introduction of an AIP plant on small underwater platforms allows a ‘very high submerged endurance’ by means of conventional diesel-electric propulsion, as well as reducing to zero the indiscretion ratio; the estimated endurance is seven days of submerged patrol, while at the same time the extremely quiet operation of the Fuel Cells system guarantees keeping the acoustic signature at minimum.

A very low signature was reached by the optimization of the acoustic and non-acoustic signature to avoid ASW detection. With an operational depth of 250 meters and a maximum submerged speed of over 15 knots, the underwater endurance on batteries at 4.5 knots and AIP at the same operating speed is indicated respectively in over 200 and 700 nm, while autonomy reaches the 4,500 nm with snorkel and batteries, and overall endurance is respectively of 30 and approximately 7 days, in the latter case with AIP.

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With a crew of 18 among officers and crew and the capability to carry a team of eight SOF operators, the S800 is being promoted by Fincantieri with a combat system based on four multifunctional consoles (three devoted to the combat system and one to the platform control) and a sonar suite including a passive flank array sonar, a passive cylindrical array sonar, an active array, an active obstacle avoidance sonar, alongside a passive cylindrical intercept array sonar. The sensors suite also includes an attack periscope, a search optronic mast, communications and navigation radar masts, an EW suite with a RESM antenna on periscope, as well as an underwater telephone, alongside torpedo countermeasures system.

With a five swim-out pneumatic torpedo tubes, the S800 Light Submarine weapons load consists of five heavy-weight torpedoes in the launchers, and four plus one in the torpedo room, allowing a maximum inventory of nine (plus one) weapons. The latter are expected being Leonardo Black Shark Advanced (BSA) heavyweight torpedoes.

Thanks to its size and hull characteristics the S800 is the operationally most suitable strategic asset for supporting Special Forces missions, providing the capability to release and recovery two chariots in fully covert operations, according to Fincantieri.

 

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Looks like it lucks payload capacity compared to MIUS. ( specially when we consider the MTOW )
But more importantly, which company is responsible for avionics and sensor package?
 

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Looks like it lucks payload capacity compared to MIUS. ( specially when we consider the MTOW )
But more importantly, which company is responsible for avionics and sensor package?
It doesn’t need huge payload tbh, and it won’t have external hard points. It needs to be able to carry a couple long range AAM or a bunch of mini stand-off munitions. F-117 could carry 2 bombs and was very effective at taking out high value targets and softening up air defense sites.

Avionics and sensors will probably be developed in house to a certain extent but will also likely partner with a Western firm. They have already show development of some in house avionics this year and a ground control station.

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Engine is a good question, I’m not sure who is providing the propulsion.
 

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Ground control station is the most easy part.

I am talking about SATCOM, data link, INS, GNSS navigation electronics . Flight computer. Central mission computer.
And when it comes to sensors not many companies can deliver high end AESA, EW suite or long range electro optical targeting systems.

That is why I am curious to know the activities that has been undertaken in these domains.
 

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This is so far what I have seen this year, it’s avionics development but it will take a lot longer to actually be able to put together a complete system. It seems they use ITAR free COTS electronics.

I agree with your statement about sensors, and I think that they will likely partner with another nation to develop them. They have made progress in developing EO/IR with COTS optics but as far as reaching the ranges you speak of that would be far more difficult.




 

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thats a dumb design what not will fly, you come with example of a drone that can fly. It does not even have 4 meter wingspan, ghostbat have 7.3 met wingspan. Everything one paper is nothing but paper, all that genius from the world still not capable to fly the drone bedore :). And now they are coming with jet engine powered drone.

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That's a dangerous assasment to make based on what you see.
At IDEX you just see a mockup, the real version can differ (we know it from our own mockup's)
 

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That's a dangerous assasment to make based on what you see.
At IDEX you just see a mockup, the real version can differ (we know it from our own mockup's)
The funny thing is the drone he said didn’t fly had its first flight a couple weeks ago.

Baykar had a similar albeit longer road path from TB2 to Kızılelma. The main roadblock here is funding, and the UAE isn’t short of funding. The argument that it using foreign parts is bad is dead when it starts because without these defense projects the UAE would be buying from America or Europe.


The bottom part is very interesting.
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I think this kind of low cost autonomous LO jet powered drone will proliferate in the near future. Overall at this stage it is a good move by UAE.
 

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