I wonder what the most knowledgeable member of the forum on the subject thinks?
Damn, if it is true then this is very dumb on India's part. Let’s see how this unfold. Usually West takes these things seriously.
It was one-way? Muslims engaged in a number of massacres. Anyone can read partition from beginning to end, or the backdrop previous to it regarding the formation of Sikh religion during Mughal rule that were harnessed by bad actors of both sides in precarious upheaval situation.These Khalistani folks massacred tens of thousands Muslims during partition, but guess what?, they have been getting test of their own medicine since then.
Just by looking at them i appreciate once again my national identity and sovereignty. The ultimate losers of the 20th century are those ethnicities who didn’t have the chance to self determination in the global South.
Yeah like the 100 times greater drama between KSA and the US, be it 9/11 or Kashoggi... and now Biden all pals with MBS again.
Super serious stance, things never blew over or will blow over.
It was one-way? Muslims engaged in a number of massacres. Anyone can read partition from beginning to end, or the backdrop previous to it regarding the formation of Sikh religion during Mughal rule that were harnessed by bad actors of both sides in precarious upheaval situation
India should have said, let the East Bengalis get "taste of their own medicine" for Noakhali and Direct Action Day in 1971?
Why would larger Sikh experience in partition be some wholly Khalistani one? Plenty of non-Khalistani sikhs faced and dished out horrors in partition.
Your insinuating tone is frankly ridiculous.
You first declare for yourself here among the Turkish members (since they are largest group in this forum) what "didn't have the chance to self determination" means w.r.t Turkish large ethnic minority in its modern republic....and they being some ultimate loser.
Otherwise don't extend that to India. We know our country and nation the best, it is topic for us, not you. I know myself firsthand the physical angry reaction some have when they see Sikh integration and representation across gamut of Indian endeavour and public life.
We will discuss it with foreigners only if they are consistent on principle and approach with good faith intent.
We know very well what voter participation is like in all our states in the republic's greatest sound institution. The trust they repose there and its sound functioning for a developing country.
We know very well what this critical institution is like in neighbouring countries, whatever homogeneity they may espouse, ethnic or otherwise.
Breakup of Soviet union. (Bloodless)
Canada would be on much firmer footing if it treated the Air India bombing with the seriousness it deserved.
I wasn't aware of what happened until you mentioned it. So my knowledge goes as far as Wikipedia.
It looks like thriller style mess up on Canadian intelligence side (CSIS)
(But of course I can't determine how much of its true)
However, it mentioned there was a security intelligence Review committee and it cleared them (CSIS) any intentional wrong doing?
But you probbaly think there was a cover up, is it like that?
As if india is gonna accept any evidence Canada is gonna bring up and say " oh we have been a very naughty boy here take our hitmen and let him go through the Canadian justice system At best this is gonna end in a tit for tat with the expulsion of a Canadian diplomat .I knew something like this is gonna happen when I saw what was happening in the G20 when Trudeau took that LThere have been rumblings in Ottawa well before the PMs visit to India and more than likely this subject was broached by PM Trudeau to the Indian PM on his recent visit to India as well. CISIS normallly has a very good handling on these investigation so if the PM says it has credible evidence of this unlawful murder by Indian agents, you can probably bet there is a lot of truth to it. Somebody on the Indian side of things will have to be brought to pay for their deeds with Canadian justice that's for sure! This will only exacerbate the already tense relations between India & Canada. We have not heard the last of this file you can be sure! The fallout will fall heavily on somebodys shoulders for sure.
Khalistani movement seems to have had a safe haven in Canada for decades.
Either backed by Canada or Canada turned a blind eye to it.
India does not tolerate separatist movements. This is pretty natural reaction to every country who has separatist problems.
Just got into a long heated discussion with some western "libs" elsewhere on all of this.
The typical smarmy hypocrite attitude, its disgusting.
They also inevitably bring up "Erdogan authoritarianism" in dealing with Gulen/FETO and PKK etc etc, that it is all bad and all these 3rd worlders are bad, violent, fascist etc etc and that these separatist-terrorist groups should be protected no matter what crime they get involved with in name of "free speech protection".
All so they can virtue signal past what kind of massacres and oppressions were inflicted in Canada, US, Europe etc and the larger colonial enterprise past that.
These people just don't understand some basic things in the end....they are entirely tone deaf to their own govts complicit dealings and nurturing of these dens of vipers in their own soil. The Air India bombing really kind of sealed the deal for me in grievous trust deficit I have with Canadian govt here on this matter....it was botched incredibly badly, some parts of it likely on purpose.
I mean theres a whole criminal gang enterprise in the PKK sympathisers in Europe that I have read about at some length on this very forum from time to time. The same kind of thing exists with Khalistanis in North America. Even with white people earlier there was a whole nasty thing that went on with Boston politics and Irish nationalist gangs and so on.
A lot of things are tolerated and then festered when you make distance from the source of the problem, even when the home country has moved on from it all. I think we all understand this phenomenon in general way (yes things linger on longer for various reasons when there is axe to grind and grievance sustained overseas).
But the problem is when establishment of some place doubles down selectively and then decides it can posture and look strong by deliberately pushing elements to try weaken another country.....and pretend this can just keep going with no rebound....because they are high and mighty.....and the other is low and weak. It is a elitism/racism found quite deep in the Western privileged types I have found.
That is why I 100% understand why Turkiye is consolidated and united in what it has to do in confronting its own separatists and their networking they have spread in Europe especially to tug on heart and purse strings of these "activist" elitists/politicians in countries there.
You guys know it very intensely as well, I have read the conversations on this forum more than I did when we were in PDF etc.
I dont think Canada has moral imperative to lecture anybody especially regarding the terrorist attack which brought down a Air India passenger plane which mostly killed Indian citizens.
They were actually mostly Canadian citizens (Indian origin), which made the whole investigation and prosecution process take on a racist/elitist hue to it in that it wasn't handled with same standards (to say the least) that would have happened if the victims were say mostly white-Canadian.
It was not really viewed as a Canadian tragedy....and justice was not served (there was ridiculous stuff going on like tapes of phone calls suddenly being erased that had all the evidence of the main perpetrators - almost all of which walked free).
Anyway it is somewhat of an equivalent to how PKK established itself and also tried to project itself as speaking for all Kurds to push legitimacy in whichever ABC groups/fronts it started in western countries that gave such extremists safe harbour....and then this all feeds back to the violence commited back in Turkiye all the time and death toll it left in its wake. You know of course how bad it got in 80s and 90s for Turkiye especially.
Like would India accept a collective alliance with Canada given what it harbours and double down upon? I dont think so, so I understood the reluctance to let Sweden into NATO by Turkiye and getting some concessions on extradition etc first by Erdogan admin.
You bring up LTTE, trust me I know the LTTE problem in western shores being Tamil myself (Indian one and strongly against them). They also cooperated a lot with PKK, IRA and others like that as these were all fellow "left wing marxist" groups.
I posted a video somewhere in this forum where an IRA march in Ireland was carrying PKK flags as well in solidarity. Its ridiculous what these groups with blood on their hands are all allowed to get up to in countries that host them.
Anyway only way in end is to get big and strong as possible.....otherwise all these countries just keep treating you as pushover to feel good about themselves and continue the delusional approach to all of this just because "they can"....rather than ask if "they should".
Dude everyone knows we did it .The moment the news of him being dead was everyone knew who did it .The only fact that is bothers me is the whitewashing the Canadians are doing to this guy.He isn't some activist or political critic like Jamal kashoggi he is an extremist with terrorist ties who actively promotes violence on indian embassies.Many times we have taken this to legal basis which was avoided and don't even get me started on the whole kanishka bombing issue It was public knowledge at that time that terrorists would bomb an airindia plane and indian intelligence even warned it to the Canadian counterparts who happily avoided itHello Marlii. Accept real evidence or not. It's up to you, however, it happened and it is real! A Canadian citizen, on Canadian soil was murdered by "persons unknown". Now that may not register with you but it is a definate issue with most Canadians here. If the Indian government would just acknowledge the facts and come up with a way to at least appease Canada, that would be a start to stop any 'tit-for-tat" of officials in it's tracks. Canada will never go to any sort of military conflict with India over this, however Canadian-Indian relations have been bruised if not torn apart by this "incident" for a very long time! And that is not what we should be doing as civilized and democratic states! Cheers!
Well if it was US I would have been little afraid but Canada.Banning indian immigrants is the best you can do.Hello again Marlii. Yes, Canada has known for weeks who was responsible for Hardeep Singh Nijjar's murder, but tried to keep those issues private between governments during the "on-going" trade negotiations with India. When PM Trudeau broached the Indian PM on the subject, Trudeau was given the "cold shoulder" and that's where things really went south during the G20 summit last week. As of now, any trade negotiations with India are at least "on-hold" for now, and possibly for years to come.This is the lowest point of Canadian-Indian relations in decades and will not come back anytime soon. Yes, Hardeep Singh Nijjar was a local Sikh Leader and may have been an activist looking for a new country within India for his people, but he was also a legitimate Canadian citizen entitled to the protections under our laws which all Canadian citizens are entitled to, which he unintentionally gave up with his "untimely" death. Angry.....you haven't seen Canada angry yet and hopefully you never will! If you have nothing more useful to contribute to this conversation, then maybe it would be best to say nothing at all. IMO. Cheers!
I remembered the incident where the terrorist named Sakine Cansız was shot in Paris.Even though places and names change, some things never change.Let's see how far it will go.The Western Civilization's support for people who prone to terrorism and vandalism , in the name of oppressed minorities.Dude everyone knows we did it .The moment the news of him being dead was everyone knew who did it .The only fact that is bothers me is the whitewashing the Canadians are doing to this guy.He isn't some activist or political critic like Jamal kashoggi he is an extremist with terrorist ties who actively promotes violence on indian embassies.Many times we have taken this to legal basis which was avoided and don't even get me started on the whole kanishka bombing issue It was public knowledge at that time that terrorists would bomb an airindia plane and indian intelligence even warned it to the Canadian counterparts who happily avoided it
What has a terrorist's death got to do with trade deals?Hello again Marlii. Yes, Canada has known for weeks who was responsible for Hardeep Singh Nijjar's murder, but tried to keep those issues private between governments during the "on-going" trade negotiations with India.
That's literally what any sane country would do, yesterday an Indian politician was killed in Punjab by canada based terrorists (sponsored and sheltered by Turdeau) and India didn't take this issue up, because we find killing the enemy inside canada much better option than negotiating with clueless leaders of canada.When PM Trudeau broached the Indian PM on the subject, Trudeau was given the "cold shoulder" and that's where things really went south during the G20 summit last week.
And nobody cares about it, bilateral trade is very miniscule because canada doesn't have much to offer India nor there is much buying capacity being a small country population wise.As of now, any trade negotiations with India are at least "on-hold" for now, and possibly for years to come.
Not our fault if canada wants to sponsor terrorism against India by sheltering most wanted criminals and expecting India to respect the bilateral ties.This is the lowest point of Canadian-Indian relations in decades and will not come back anytime soon.
Yes, this is how "leaders" look like;Yes, Hardeep Singh Nijjar was a local Sikh Leader
India too should start an embassy in exile for Canada-occupied Quebec and support those separatists allowing them to carry out terror attacks, suicide bombings, drugs business and targeted killings in canada with our support.and may have been an activist looking for a new country within India for his people,
LoL what? He was an Indian citizen provided shelter by canada illegally by faking his passport.but he was also a legitimate Canadian citizen
Indians too are entitled to various rights, some of which are right to life and personal liberty, right to freedom, freedom of speech and so on. If any terrorist dares challenge that, he will be hunted down in his own home by R&AW. It's as simple as that.entitled to the protections under our laws which all Canadian citizens are entitled to, which he unintentionally gave up with his "untimely" death.
And what will canada do if it gets angry? Threaten war with a nuclear power like India?Angry.....you haven't seen Canada angry yet and hopefully you never will! If you have nothing more useful to contribute to this conversation, then maybe it would be best to say nothing at all. IMO. Cheers!