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Nice article, even with the ongoing strain in our relationship, this showcases the calming effect economic ties have on geopolitical tensions. Something, thankfully both our polity realises.

Good to see you here mate, absent flame baiting, will be a genuine pleasure to discuss with you. Yours is a unique perspective.
 

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It can be a easy target to destroy certain points on this line in case of war

Same goes for the other side if war escalates to this tier.

This is to help with getting border well resourced closer to critical areas....before the actual war (whatever tier of it) breaks out....so that the option is available to do a good build up ...and hopefully dissuading such conflict in first place or escalation to higher tier of it.

In effect it puts out of commission most war levels of say 10 - 50 in certain areas (where 100 is all out war) which is what India is seeking in the mid term....and what the opponent has been engaging in when this level of logistics was not present.

We have overall judged them to not want to escalate over 50....given they have very few airbases in the area.
 

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The Chinese have invested heavily in infrastructure in Tibet. They have made an extensive road network. In fact their rail network and air traffic capabilities in Tibet are also remarkable.

We have been slow starters and are only trying to address the requirement now. There are considerable infrastructure projects in progress in Ladakh, the Central sector i.e., Himachal and Utarakhand, as also in Sikkim and Arunachal.

Brig SK Chatterji (Retd) Editor, Bharatshakti.in discusses the major issues with Maj Gen AK Chaturvedi (Retd). The General has been in the Army’s Corps of Engineers, he is an expert on water resources management and has written extensively on infrastructure projects along the LAC.


 

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A popular Chinese blogger, detained earlier this year for his comments regarding military casualties of Galwan valley clash with India, has been sentenced to eight months in prison.

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A popular Chinese blogger, detained earlier this year for his comments regarding military casualties of Galwan valley clash with India, has been sentenced to eight months in prison.


Qiu Ziming, an internet celebrity with more than 2.5 million followers, on Monday received a jail term of eight months for 'defaming martyrs', marking the first such case in China since a new amendment was attached to the Criminal Law, reported Global Times.
The blogger, who is known online as 'Labixiaoqiu', was also ordered to publicly apologise through major domestic portals and the national media within 10 days, ordered a Nanjing court in East China's Jiangsu Province.


The court noted that Qiu had 'truthfully confessed to his crime', entered a guilty plea and said in court that he would never commit the crime again. Therefore, he was getting a lighter sentence.
On March 1, Qiu had made an open apology for his comments during a broadcast on China's state broadcaster CCTV, reported Global Times.
"I feel extremely ashamed of myself, and I'm very sorry," said the 38-year-old.
The comments came after China admitted for the first time that four of its soldiers had been killed and one seriously wounded in the clash that took place in the Himalayas.
Qiu, a former reporter with the weekly Economic Observer, had published two posts that suggested a commander survived the clashes because he was the highest-ranking officer there.
He also suggested that more Chinese soldiers might have been killed in the conflict than those disclosed by the authorities.
In February, Russian news agency TASS had claimed that 45 Chinese soldiers were killed in the clashes.
In February, state news agency Xinhua accused Qiu of 'damaging the reputation of heroes, hurting nationalistic feelings and poisoning patriotic hearts' with his sensational posts.
The Chinese Communist Party has long been accused of suppressing ideas that could undermine its sweeping authority.
In just the past few years, the government has attempted to muzzle critics by making them disappear without a trace, ordering people to physically barge into their houses, or locking up those close to critics as a kind of blackmail.
India and China have been engaged in a border standoff since last year.

The situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) deteriorated in June last year following the Galwan Valley clash in which both Indian and Chinese sides suffered casualties.
20 Indian soldiers lost their lives in the violent face-off on June 15-16.
It happened as a result of an attempt by the Chinese troops to unilaterally change the status quo during the de-escalation in eastern Ladakh
 

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Xi is Fine, Blame it on Modi!​

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Tue, 01 Jun 2021 | Reading Time: 6 minutes
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Time magazine’s latest story is titled “Modi Never Bought Enough COVID-19 Vaccines for India. Now the Whole World Is Paying” (https://time.com/6052370/modi-didnt-buy-enough-covid-19-vaccine/) The story is that Narendra Modi did not buy enough vaccines, so the world is now suffering. The title to the article is a Freudian slip, revealing a particular mind set. The article does not blame China for the pandemic, or Xi Jinping, but it blames Modi. It seems that it is not the Wuhan Virus that is responsible for the crisis nor those who were contributing funds to the research at the Wuhan Virology Institute, but it blames Modi’s failure to buy the vaccine. Modi is thus sought to be painted as the ‘global villain.’ The irony is that the writer is talking about a popularly re-elected leader of the world’s largest democracy.
The bottom line about the charge that Modi did not buy vaccines is that purchases in large quantities would have been from American companies like Pfizer and Moderna. However, the US and UK governments had hoarded vaccines, far beyond their national requirements and refused to share it. There has also been resistance to relaxing the patent regime to enable others to buy the vaccine.
For those who may wish to pursue this a bit more may read this author’s book, ‘The Ultimate Goal (2020)’. The book highlights the pandemic and the role of big pharma companies, the changing equations and price wars for maximizing profits. “Traditional wars on the battlefield will become even more unfashionable. The pharma-industrial complex will be an addition to the existing military-industrial-intelligence-technology complex.”
Given the current comfortable state of India-US relations at many levels, it may not be the official policy to denigrate India but there are surely immensely powerful interests in the US also at work. The idea now is also to shift the narrative away from China and target India. This is because China is far too powerful and there are too many deep western financial and trade entanglements with it and therefore any harsh action against China could rebound on the western corporate interests. This truth is known to both China and the West. So, pick on a country where blame can be fixed to change the narrative. The usual tactics is at play here, create a narrative, and then let events unfold. And narratives do not have to be based on truth but need to have acceptability. Besides, the western world has had the means to build and sustain its narratives of superiority, justify its actions or the righteousness of its causes, through its global dominance of multiple means of communication of the message. One classic and recent example being the way the narrative for the Iraq War in March 2003 was built. The world was told that Saddam Hussein was harbouring Al Qaeda and that he possessed weapons of mass destruction. None of this was true.
Mike Pompeo, former Director CIA and Secretary of State in an interview with Bari Weiss, an American journalist, on May 19, 2021, made some significant statements. (https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/did-covid-come-from-the-lab-mike). Weiss started the interview with the question “….do you think that the COVID-19 virus came from a lab in Wuhan?” Pompeo replied “I do and have for quite some time…” In the hour-long interview, Pompeo asserted that Chinese Communist Party had gone into a full coverup mode because all the evidence gathered pointed to “the single direction of this having been a laboratory leak from a place called the Wuhan Institute of Virology”. Pompeo added that when these doubts were raised early last year, “we were accused not only of being a little bit unhinged but of being racist or xenophobic, somehow denoting that the Chinese were lesser than other human beings. Nothing could be further from the truth.” The Chinese used “every available information warfare strategy that they have in their toolkit to knock down the storyline.”
Pompeo goes on to explain how the CCP was operating in the US. “They are working with something called the United Front. This is China’s external influence operations…. Working something called a Confucius Institute. It seems noble, to learn Mandarin, learn about Chinese culture and life will be better for everyone and maybe you will even get a good job working in a big bank in New York working on Chinese accounts…. The Chinese Communist party working on our college campuses, on our research institutions. What are they doing there? They are providing real money like providing research body grants. So that these professors can do all kinds of different research, mostly in engineering, science, math, blockchain technology, artificial intelligence. They’ll put a couple of Chinese scholars alongside them and then they’ll work together to find a problem and they will steal intellectual property like you can’t imagine and we just looked the other way for so long.” When asked why the Americans were looking the other way, Pompeo’s elaboration was detailed.
Oh, by big money, which is at stake”, he said. “There are 3,60,000 Chinese students studying at those universities today. Those students pay full freight. They are carrying a significant financial burden for those educational institutions. So, I remember when we started to look closely at the level of Chinese spying on campuses, I immediately got letters from every major college institution in America from their presidents and from their trade associations saying, ‘Hey be very careful. These students are here. They are noble, they’re wonderful, they just want to learn about the American way of life and oh, by the way, they make up 40% of our operating budget.’
Pompeo also said that he was privy to a lot of conversations with hedge fund managers and businesspeople. Their refrain was that it was true that China was terrible at human rights, stole American intellectual property but China was also unstoppable, was a huge market and Americans now had no choice other than to do business with them. So, in the end they basically said “let us cover our eyes, let us plug our ears and keep the money. What do you want to say to those people…with vested economic interests?” Pompeo reminded that the Chinese Communist party was operating inside American financial institutions, agricultural institutions, in a way that is deeply intentional right to suck this intellectual property out for a purpose. The Chinese have a hold on Hollywood, sports attire industry, and they also attend city council meetings across the country evaluating every official as friendly neutral or hostile when they are not busy stealing secrets from Los Angeles’ innovative energy companies.
The desire is to shift the narrative away from China and pick a more ‘convenient villain’. In India’s case, this kind of personalised targeting has other motives too. It seeks to demonise Narendra Modi who is seen as a major impediment to western corporate interests in a growing India. Modi’s schemes like Atma Nirbhar Bharat and Make in India have been viewed with suspicion. According to this standard western script, India is a market and resource base, not a competitor or much worse, a rival. It is great if it is a pliable democracy, even a pliable dictatorship will also do, but a strong independent self-reliant democracy is an awkward entity and best prevented.
Regime change in a democratically elected government is not easy. Military coups are impossible, and wars as seen in West Asia, are expensive with results uncertain so the best way is to try and internally destabilize a government. This needs local assistance and we have seen that all too often in recent years, since 2014 but more desperate since 2019. From the JNU and Jamia agitation to Shaheen Bagh to the riots of Delhi; all organized in detail, financed generously and logistics worked out. Leading on to the farmers strike, it shows a combination of various vested interests desperately trying to destabilize the government. In fact, the farmers strike indicates huge financial and logistic support from groups who feel it worthwhile to pursue this and who seem to be well endowed to manage this.
Besides, the Indian economy, buoyant till recently has now taken a severe knock, and will take a while to recover. It certainly suits China if this were prolonged. China, as we all know, has not taken kindly to India for spurning the Huawei attempt on acquiring 5G rights in India. There are many who believe that this was retribution in a frighteningly cruel manner. Doklam and Galwan were attempts to coerce India into submission on other issues. Simultaneously, the west with its sluggish economic growth sees the spectre of three Asian economic giants, Japan, China, and India staring at them ten years down the line. Obviously, this cannot be good news, and this must be stopped. The western powers also think that the unintended consequences of supporting Chinese economy since the 1990s to apparently further their own economic interests are now proving very costly. Therefore, they believe that, there is no scope for repeating the same mistake.
There is no denying that there have been some miscalculations and poor strategies in handling the crisis, apart from the fact that there is a very creaky health infrastructure, which was inherited by the present government and attempts to rectify them had just begun. There is a global government to government declaration of support to Indian efforts, but the pharma world has different yardsticks. Profit not healing is the driving force. Adam Smith and not Hippocrates, is their role model.

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Like I said, the typical media types have their field day during the worst of a crisis (predictably)....and simply you have to let them (and focus at job at hand, people long term sense and memory is not going away anywhere).

The accountability and blowback on them comes later always as their performance can be seen with hindsight and reality.

MSM + big tech (in US as one example) are losing their minds this year how to cover up for their total squelching of the lab-leak possibility as a "conspiracy theory" and the huge cover they played for (PRC controlled) WHO all in name of extreme trump derangement syndrome. Both are now being retracted (as reality dawns for Fauci, dem elitists et al.), but their credibility has taken a big knock for what they did in heat of moment.

This phenomenon will visit every country with open media structure and the oligarch forces (with agendas) that can take shape behind it.

The check and balance is also the open media structure so the counter voices can be heard and people gauge for themselves what went down and who is responsible at different tiers for it.
 

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Another blogger (Wang Jingyu) is in UAE apparently awaiting extradition:

 

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Like I said, the typical media types have their field day during the worst of a crisis (predictably)....and simply you have to let them (and focus at job at hand, people long term sense and memory is not going away anywhere).

The accountability and blowback on them comes later always as their performance can be seen with hindsight and reality.

MSM + big tech (in US as one example) are losing their minds this year how to cover up for their total squelching of the lab-leak possibility as a "conspiracy theory" and the huge cover they played for (PRC controlled) WHO all in name of extreme trump derangement syndrome. Both are now being retracted (as reality dawns for Fauci, dem elitists et al.), but their credibility has taken a big knock for what they did in heat of moment.

This phenomenon will visit every country with open media structure and the oligarch forces (with agendas) that can take shape behind it.

The check and balance is also the open media structure so the counter voices can be heard and people gauge for themselves what went down and who is responsible at different tiers for it.
Believe me, it's making a lot of sense why this all is happening, why Bharat biotech got discredited so nakedly . I say one thing for sure the Indian vultures are pretty cheap to buy may be govt should try to pay more and counter the propaganda
 

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Given the security dilemma prevailing between India and China, India should curb the operation of Chinese telecom companies in India, assserts Dr Rup Narayan Das.



Photograph: Rafael Marchante/Reuters
On May 4, the Department of Technology gave the nod to 5G trials permission to mobile operators in India that included Reliance Jio, Airtel, Vodafone, Idea and MTNL who will tie up with network providers such as Sweden's Ericsson, Finland's Nokia, South Korea's Samsung and state-owned C-DOT.


Conspicuously, two main Chinese players -- Huawei and ZTE, as expected -- were missing in the list provoking Chinese protest.

Ever since the telecom revolution in India, Chinese telecom companies have been eyeing the lucrative Indian telecom market.

Huawei and ZTE, the two key Chinese players in the field, started operations in India, as early as 1998-1999 by setting up software outsourcing centres.

In the initial years from 1998 to 2005, their success in the Indian telecom sector was constraint due to widely held perceptions of poor equipment quality, as well as security concerns.

In 2001, US intelligence sources reportedly tipped off the Indian government about Huawei's activities in India.

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IMAGE: A 5G data network sign at a mobile phone store. Photograph: Gonzalo Fuentes/Reuters
Huawei's breakthrough came in 2005-2006 when it used low-priced tactics and a variety of other methods to win business with ITI, BSNL and MTNL.

The Chinese behemoth set up a local manufacturing base Sriperumbudur near Chennai with an investment of $500 million in 2010 and started an R&D centre in India which is its biggest outside China, employing 2,000 people in 2010.

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In the initial years of its operation, Huawei couldn't generate significant orders because of security concerns.

There were reports that Chinese equipment makers were placing malware and spyware in their equipment.

Huawei, however, did a turnaround of its business, when it became the first foreign IT company operating in India to comply with the home ministry's demand to share its source codes with the law-enforcing authorities of the government of India.

Yet another Chinese IT major which has made a major inroad into the Indian IT market is ZTE, which entered India in 1999, but didn't win any orders until 2002.

Then, from 2004 to 2009, ZTE's turnover in India grew from $100 million to nearly $1 billion, making India ZTE's largest overseas market and its biggest market after China.

ZTE is the fourth-largest player in the Indian telecom equipment market, following Ericsson, Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.



IMAGE: A scene at the India Mobile Congress in New Delhi. Photograph: Anushree Fadnavis/Reuters
An important issue that has been factored into while giving permission to telecom players has been their implication on cybersecurity.

Earlier a report, prepared by India's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT-In), which comes under the ministry of information technology analysed cyber-attacks from April-June 2018.

CERT-In is the nodal agency which deals with cybersecurity threats like hacking and phishing. It collects, analyses, and disseminates information on 'cybersecurity incidents'.

According to the report, it was observed that China continues to 'intrude' Indian cyberspace in a 'significant' way.

The cyber-attack from China made up 35% of the total number of cyber-attacks on official Indian Websites followed by the US (17%), Russia (15%), Pakistan (9%), Canada (7%), Germany (5%%).

Recently there were media reports saying State-sponsored Chinese hacker groups targeted various Indian power centres including NTPC in February this year. However such attempts were foiled.

It is in this context that the government has been mulling over a policy framework to regulate foreign investments more closely in the Internet and smartphone business, especially in view of the increasing Chinese presence in these sectors.

The policies are meant to deal with the increasing digital colonisation of India.

The aim is not to stop or restrict foreign investments but to install safeguards that will ensure that India's security is not compromised.

This assumes significance as Chinese and American companies either directly control large parts of the Internet business or have tremendous influence as investors in local start-ups, even in strategically important areas such as financial services and content.



IMAGE: A worker from a telecommunications company shows an Internet speed tests while connecting to an experimental 5G network. Photograph: Ivan Alvarado/Reuters
As far as implications for national security is concerned, it may be mentioned that telecom networks are strategic assets of a country and play a very vital role in many critical sectors such as defence, government, power, railways, oil and gas.

They are the delivery vehicles for a large number of services like health-care, education, financial services and e-governance, UID etc.

From a security angle, telecom networks are one of the most mission-critical elements, forming the backbone for secure and timely communications.

Since the hampering of telecom infrastructure in war times can act as a force multiplier, it is imperative that telecom networks are built from trusted sources.

In addition, network elements are complex hardware and software which can have malware concealed, which can be activated to divert any sensitive information or data to unintended locations or even disrupt the network, Indian telecom networks, in particular, are highly vulnerable given that most of the network equipment is imported.

In fact, more than 60 per cent of the network equipment currently being used in India is of Chinese make, and even the imported products from the US/Europe, have a lot of manufacturing physically done out of the Chinese factories.

The penetration of the Chinese telecom sector has no doubt benefitted Indian telecom users in terms of its affordability and employment generation.

Over the years the Chinese players in the telecom sector have been well entrenched in India.

It is in this context that the issue of security concerns seems to need to be addressed with seriousness.

It augurs well, however, ever since the Narendra Modi government came to power in 2014, the government has been taking policy initiatives to encourage and incentivise domestic production of telecom equipment.

Public Procurement Order 2017 envisages that if a nodal ministry is satisfied that Indian suppliers of an item are not allowed to participate and/or compete in procurement by any foreign government, it may, if it deems appropriate, restrict or exclude bidders from that country for being eligible for supplying that item and/or other items relating to the nodal ministry.

To realise the intent of the government, the Union Cabinet on March 20, 2020 approved three new schemes worth over $6.4 billion to promote large scale electronics manufacturing, electronic component, and semiconductor manufacturing in the country.

It is strongly felt that given the security dilemma prevailing between the two countries, India should curb the operation of Chinese telecom companies in India.




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Dr Rup Narayan Das is a senior fellow at the Indian Council of Social Science Research at the Indian Institute of Public Administration, New Delhi. The views in this column are personal.

Given the security dilemma prevailing between India and China, India should curb the operation of Chinese telecom companies in India, assserts Dr Rup Narayan Das.




Photograph: Rafael Marchante/Reuters
On May 4, the Department of Technology gave the nod to 5G trials permission to mobile operators in India that included Reliance Jio, Airtel, Vodafone, Idea and MTNL who will tie up with network providers such as Sweden's Ericsson, Finland's Nokia, South Korea's Samsung and state-owned C-DOT.


Conspicuously, two main Chinese players -- Huawei and ZTE, as expected -- were missing in the list provoking Chinese protest.

Ever since the telecom revolution in India, Chinese telecom companies have been eyeing the lucrative Indian telecom market.

Huawei and ZTE, the two key Chinese players in the field, started operations in India, as early as 1998-1999 by setting up software outsourcing centres.

In the initial years from 1998 to 2005, their success in the Indian telecom sector was constraint due to widely held perceptions of poor equipment quality, as well as security concerns.

In 2001, US intelligence sources reportedly tipped off the Indian government about Huawei's activities in India.

More like this​

Indian telcos at odds over controversial 5G standard

Indian telcos at odds over controversial 5G standard​



Is India's 5G dream in trouble?

Is India's 5G dream in trouble?​




IMAGE: A 5G data network sign at a mobile phone store. Photograph: Gonzalo Fuentes/Reuters
Huawei's breakthrough came in 2005-2006 when it used low-priced tactics and a variety of other methods to win business with ITI, BSNL and MTNL.

The Chinese behemoth set up a local manufacturing base Sriperumbudur near Chennai with an investment of $500 million in 2010 and started an R&D centre in India which is its biggest outside China, employing 2,000 people in 2010.

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In the initial years of its operation, Huawei couldn't generate significant orders because of security concerns.

There were reports that Chinese equipment makers were placing malware and spyware in their equipment.

Huawei, however, did a turnaround of its business, when it became the first foreign IT company operating in India to comply with the home ministry's demand to share its source codes with the law-enforcing authorities of the government of India.

Yet another Chinese IT major which has made a major inroad into the Indian IT market is ZTE, which entered India in 1999, but didn't win any orders until 2002.

Then, from 2004 to 2009, ZTE's turnover in India grew from $100 million to nearly $1 billion, making India ZTE's largest overseas market and its biggest market after China.

ZTE is the fourth-largest player in the Indian telecom equipment market, following Ericsson, Huawei and Nokia Siemens Networks.



IMAGE: A scene at the India Mobile Congress in New Delhi. Photograph: Anushree Fadnavis/Reuters
An important issue that has been factored into while giving permission to telecom players has been their implication on cybersecurity.

Earlier a report, prepared by India's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT-In), which comes under the ministry of information technology analysed cyber-attacks from April-June 2018.

CERT-In is the nodal agency which deals with cybersecurity threats like hacking and phishing. It collects, analyses, and disseminates information on 'cybersecurity incidents'.

According to the report, it was observed that China continues to 'intrude' Indian cyberspace in a 'significant' way.

The cyber-attack from China made up 35% of the total number of cyber-attacks on official Indian Websites followed by the US (17%), Russia (15%), Pakistan (9%), Canada (7%), Germany (5%%).

Recently there were media reports saying State-sponsored Chinese hacker groups targeted various Indian power centres including NTPC in February this year. However such attempts were foiled.

It is in this context that the government has been mulling over a policy framework to regulate foreign investments more closely in the Internet and smartphone business, especially in view of the increasing Chinese presence in these sectors.

The policies are meant to deal with the increasing digital colonisation of India.

The aim is not to stop or restrict foreign investments but to install safeguards that will ensure that India's security is not compromised.

This assumes significance as Chinese and American companies either directly control large parts of the Internet business or have tremendous influence as investors in local start-ups, even in strategically important areas such as financial services and content.



IMAGE: A worker from a telecommunications company shows an Internet speed tests while connecting to an experimental 5G network. Photograph: Ivan Alvarado/Reuters
As far as implications for national security is concerned, it may be mentioned that telecom networks are strategic assets of a country and play a very vital role in many critical sectors such as defence, government, power, railways, oil and gas.

They are the delivery vehicles for a large number of services like health-care, education, financial services and e-governance, UID etc.

From a security angle, telecom networks are one of the most mission-critical elements, forming the backbone for secure and timely communications.

Since the hampering of telecom infrastructure in war times can act as a force multiplier, it is imperative that telecom networks are built from trusted sources.

In addition, network elements are complex hardware and software which can have malware concealed, which can be activated to divert any sensitive information or data to unintended locations or even disrupt the network, Indian telecom networks, in particular, are highly vulnerable given that most of the network equipment is imported.

In fact, more than 60 per cent of the network equipment currently being used in India is of Chinese make, and even the imported products from the US/Europe, have a lot of manufacturing physically done out of the Chinese factories.

The penetration of the Chinese telecom sector has no doubt benefitted Indian telecom users in terms of its affordability and employment generation.

Over the years the Chinese players in the telecom sector have been well entrenched in India.

It is in this context that the issue of security concerns seems to need to be addressed with seriousness.

It augurs well, however, ever since the Narendra Modi government came to power in 2014, the government has been taking policy initiatives to encourage and incentivise domestic production of telecom equipment.

Public Procurement Order 2017 envisages that if a nodal ministry is satisfied that Indian suppliers of an item are not allowed to participate and/or compete in procurement by any foreign government, it may, if it deems appropriate, restrict or exclude bidders from that country for being eligible for supplying that item and/or other items relating to the nodal ministry.

To realise the intent of the government, the Union Cabinet on March 20, 2020 approved three new schemes worth over $6.4 billion to promote large scale electronics manufacturing, electronic component, and semiconductor manufacturing in the country.

It is strongly felt that given the security dilemma prevailing between the two countries, India should curb the operation of Chinese telecom companies in India.




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Dr Rup Narayan Das is a senior fellow at the Indian Council of Social Science Research at the Indian Institute of Public Administration, New Delhi. The views in this column are personal.

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In one of the biggest financial crackdowns by Delhi Police, an elaborate money laundering scam run by China-based entities has been busted. Two CAs, a Tibetan woman and eight others have been arrested.


Around five lakh Indians have been duped of their “investment” and their sensitive data stolen through malicious “quick earning”

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running in the garb of an online multi-level marketing campaign. Over Rs 150 crore has been siphoned in just two months, according to police commissioner S N Shrivastava.


Rs 11 crores of has been blocked in various bank accounts and payment gateways and Rs 97 lakh cash recovered from a Gurgaon-based CA who formed over 110 companies for Chinese fraudsters.
 

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I have re-pinned this thread given PRC (given its population) is arguably the largest changing relationship for India of long term consequence.

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Would like interested members to comment (if they have any on the following):


Both guests make excellent points...well worth watching to get long term sense of the challenges and issues involved.
General Sharma has a good reading on the internal dynamics of PRC, good to see higher ups in IA are keen watchers and readers of this (it needs to increase more).

The concluding (sobering) remarks by Mr. Tarapore were very spot on (the asymmetric gap and threat for broader wars to be prepared for) and the specific and broader strategy going forward.

Mr. Tarapore's paper can be found here:

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By Chinese "experts" in what is generally viewed as a mouthpiece of the CCP


India should stop political manipulation and make efforts to realize full disengagement at an early date, as China's will to cherish peace and its military strength are both stronger than India's, experts said, after a media report said India had deployed at least 50,000 additional troops to China-India border regions.

Bloomberg described India's alleged move as a "historic shift toward an offensive military posture" against China. Citing sources, the report said India has dispatched troops and fighter jet squadrons to three border areas, and there are about 200,000 Indian troops along the border.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said on Monday that the situation on the China-India border is generally stable and the two sides are negotiating on the issue.

Indian media reported that Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh on Sunday arrived in Ladakh to review military preparedness, his first visit to the area since the Pangong Lake region disengagement in February.

"The words and deeds and military deployment of the Indian military and political dignitaries should be conducive to easing the situation and enhancing mutual trust, not the opposite," Wang said at a press briefing.

Analysts said that the peace and tranquility on the China-India border have not been guaranteed on a sustained basis; however, Bloomberg's report is not beyond all doubt.

"India has a large number of troops in the border area who are not just conducting a simple patrol… But even at the most intense time of the border dispute in 2020, India did not achieve the logistical support of 200,000 men," Zhao Gancheng, director of the Center for Asia-Pacific Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, told the Global Times on Monday.

Geopolitically speaking, instability on the China-India border is good news for the US, Zhao said.

Observers said that in order to shift the attention on its domestic epidemic fiasco and recession, Indian politicians and media, using US as a backer, have repeatedly made irresponsible remarks targeting China to gain leverage for the following negotiations.

China and India had their 22nd meeting under the consultation and coordination mechanism on border issues on Friday, and both sides agreed to consolidate results of disengagement of frontline troops and properly manage the remaining problems along the western section of the border.

The two countries also agreed to maintain high-level diplomatic communication to offer further guidelines to properly deal with border issues, and actively prepare for the 12th round of commander-level talks and determine the time and arrangement through the border hotline.

The communication channels are still opening, and the two countries should make efforts to prevent the border situation deteriorating, Zhao said.

China has always been holding a military advantage over India, and this will not change just because of the Indian military's deployment, a Chinese military expert who requested anonymity told the Global Times on Monday.

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Since the start of the year, the PLA Xinjiang Military Command has been commissioning a number of advanced weapons and equipment including Type 15 light tanks, PCL-161 122mm-caliber self-propelled howitzers, PHL-03 long-range multiple rocket launcher systems, HQ-17A field air defense missile systems, and different variations in the Type 08 armored vehicle family, Chinese media reported.

The new gear, together with intensive training of border defense troops, are a natural result of China's normal national defense development, and the PLA is always ready to safeguard the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity, the expert said.

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Wonder if these are the same experts whose brainwave it was to play Punjabi music on the border
 

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