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[Marlii]

‘Akhand Bharat’ the undisputed truth, says RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat has said that the people of Pakistan are not happy after more than seven decades of independence and they now believe the partition of India was a mistake.

www.thehindu.com

Mr. Bhagwat said the separated parts of Bharat would unite one day. The RSS chief said Pakistan was “unhappy” as it got separated from India, and it would, one day, be merged into ‘Akhand Bharat’.

When Bhagwat says Pakistan got separated, he could not have meant separated from the common history. He is saying Pakistan got separated politically. And so when he says it will unite one day, he is talking about political union which would imply imperial expansion on our part.

They are all triumphant rants to their followers.like the hell the he means even a word of it.

 

[KamBhakth]

They are all triumphant rants to their followers.like the hell the he means even a word of it.

His followers are sure that he means everything he says.

 

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Mr @Joe Shearer sirji

would be so kind as to open that private comms channel so I may have my say ?

 

[Afif]

I didnt meant that Akhandta . Still dont get the why people in pakistan or Bangladesh think we are going to take over them in every breath we take. India wouldn't even want pakistan if they want to join us. No sense in taking in a Bigger Bihar that has 2% growth rate and is a valuable buffer against Afghanistan.it still amazes me that people think that akhand bharat is just not a common history thing and an imperial expansion.

Obviously, there is no sense to it. Taking in hundreds of millions of massive hostile populations (in war) from Pakistan & BD without any obvious economic benefit is a very bad idea.

But these things usually don't make lot of sense. Specially when it gets that much ideological. There is not much reasons why Russia with the biggest land mass in the world & with the most natural resources would want to take over a three time poorer country (in GDP per capita) and want take in a massive adverse population.

NATO expansion is an issue, but not the issue. it starts to make more sense when you read this–

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

Or know this guy

While it is a good thing that India is democratic country institutionally, so power is not highly concentrated in one man's hand & government structure is not the same. (There are checks and balances) But then again, Putin is supported by the majority of Russians. When you build up such narrative consistently with a large audience, no matter how absurd it looks from the outside, at some point it becomes a real thing. (At least for the audience as @KamBhakth pointed Out.)

I hope, India's democratic nature does not blackslide, but sometime it does not take much long even for more mature democracies to get into gutter.

If it were Myanmar instead of India, nobody would have bothered much. Because there is no asymmetry in conventional power. But when there is a substantial asymmetry and power gap, we have to take these stuff more seriously and definitely can’t rely on large neighbour's good will when it comes to national security. This is simple realpolitik.

When these people are saying it for a long time, you better believe they really mean what they say. (Putin was saying the same stuff for a long time but West thought he really didn’t mean, not in this way) Maybe Yogi will become the next prime minister for BJP. I mean he already is a chief minister, who knows. Things aren’t defusing, instead it is getting more extreme little by little each day.

 

[Marlii]

Obviously, there is no sense to it. Taking in hundreds of millions of massive hostile populations (in war) from Pakistan & BD without any obvious economic benefit is a very bad idea.

But these things usually don't make lot of sense. Specially when it gets that much ideological. There is not much reasons why Russia with the biggest land mass in the world & with the most natural resources would want to take over a three time poorer country (in GDP per capita) and want take in a massive adverse population.

NATO expansion is an issue, but not the issue. it starts to make more sense when you read this–

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

Or know this guy

While it is a good thing that India is democratic country institutionally, so power is not highly concentrated in one man's hand & government structure is not the same. (There are checks and balances) But then again, Putin is supported by the majority of Russians. When you build up such narrative consistently with a large audience, no matter how absurd it looks from the outside, at some point it becomes a real thing. (At least for the audience as @KamBhakth pointed Out.)

I hope, India's democratic nature does not blackslide, but sometime it does not take much long even for more mature democracies to get into gutter.

If it were Myanmar instead of India, nobody would have bothered much. Because there is no asymmetry in conventional power. But when there is a substantial asymmetry and power gap, we have to take these stuff more seriously and definitely can’t rely on large neighbour's good will when it comes to national security. This is simple realpolitik.

When these people are saying it for a long time, you better believe they really mean what they say. (Putin was saying the same stuff for a long time but West thought he really didn’t mean, not in this way) Maybe Yogi will become the next prime minister for BJP. I mean he already is a chief minister, who knows. Things aren’t defusing, instead it is getting more extreme little by little each day.

I understand your concern as its a valid one but russian invasion itself has shown how disastrous war can be for an economy any country that is not a basket case is gonna think twice before going to war. Same as with BD and Myanmar when tensions was high. Myanmar has nothing to loose in a war it may even strengthen the junta and unify the country and in other case BD will face tremendous economic loss.

 

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Modi Ji laying the smack down in the sansad/parliament

my god, I truly do fear for his detractors

Rahul "Gandhi" ? .. really ? GIVE ME A BREAK !!


heh

 

[Joe Shearer]

Mr @Joe Shearer sirji

would be so kind as to open that private comms channel so I may have my say ?

No.

 

[KamBhakth]

Obviously, there is no sense to it. Taking in hundreds of millions of massive hostile populations (in war) from Pakistan & BD without any obvious economic benefit is a very bad idea.

But these things usually don't make lot of sense. Specially when it gets that much ideological. There is not much reasons why Russia with the biggest land mass in the world & with the most natural resources would want to take over a three time poorer country (in GDP per capita) and want take in a massive adverse population.

NATO expansion is an issue, but not the issue. it starts to make more sense when you read this–

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

en.kremlin.ru

Or know this guy

While it is a good thing that India is democratic country institutionally, so power is not highly concentrated in one man's hand & government structure is not the same. (There are checks and balances) But then again, Putin is supported by the majority of Russians. When you build up such narrative consistently with a large audience, no matter how absurd it looks from the outside, at some point it becomes a real thing. (At least for the audience as @KamBhakth pointed Out.)

I hope, India's democratic nature does not blackslide, but sometime it does not take much long even for more mature democracies to get into gutter.

If it were Myanmar instead of India, nobody would have bothered much. Because there is no asymmetry in conventional power. But when there is a substantial asymmetry and power gap, we have to take these stuff more seriously and definitely can’t rely on large neighbour's good will when it comes to national security. This is simple realpolitik.

When these people are saying it for a long time, you better believe they really mean what they say. (Putin was saying the same stuff for a long time but West thought he really didn’t mean, not in this way) Maybe Yogi will become the next prime minister for BJP. I mean he already is a chief minister, who knows. Things aren’t defusing, instead it is getting more extreme little by little each day.

In case you guys start believing in the seriousness of Akhand Bharat, what are your options. What steps do you think you will take to safeguard yourself.

 

[Joe Shearer]

In case you guys start believing in the seriousness of Akhand Bharat, what are your options. What steps do you think you will take to safeguard yourself.

Who was that for? The Bangladeshis?

 

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No.

30 odd tops, is baar in Lok Sabha, shy of 40, even with allies.. the rahul gandhiJI led party

BJP romps home with a massive mandate, we'll carry a few ramora fish allies with them to the feast too, maybe throw a scrap or two their way, maybe..

aapke district mein I'm sure the Owasis and the AIMIM etc will do well but.. maybe rahul gandhiJI should consider running from there

Perhaps rahul GandhiJI should consider running from Baramulla district as well, grenades ki mala, AK in hand, stacheless beard.. y'know, the works.

kya ye temple tumple lagai rakhein hain ?

drop the pretense already, should Rahul Gandhi Ji

 

[Joe Shearer]

 

[Afif]

In case you guys start believing in the seriousness of Akhand Bharat, what are your options. What steps do you think you will take to safeguard yourself.

Well, obviously today India as a state with its institutions does not have any long term strategy or foreign policy goal with expansionist ambitions (except for the dispute over Kashmir or what you call as POK) Hopefully, it will always remain like that.

But if this ideology starts to get more serious and penetrate deep into the state's structure overtime with more folks from the position of leadership who now talks about their expansionist and revisionist foreign policy goals openly in their speeches, somehow feel empowered (hopefully never) to act on some of their ideologically driven agendas, it will be clearly visible to the neighbors.

Usually, it starts with small stuff and gradually gets bigger. Such process takes a decade or longer. If it ever begins, BD would have to seriously up its defence spending along with diplomatic & geopolitical maneuvers with great powers.

I think at some point if neutrality does not work for us anymore, we will need to go all in with a Superpower. (Preferably USA.)

Until then, we will play all three sides, USA, PRC & India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

30 odd tops, is baar in Lok Sabha, shy of 40, even with allies.. the rahul gandhiJI led party

BJP romps home with a massive mandate, we'll carry a few ramora fish allies with them to the feast too, maybe throw a scrap or two their way, maybe..

aapke district mein I'm sure the Owasis and the AIMIM etc will do well but.. maybe rahul gandhiJI should consider running from there

Perhaps rahul GandhiJI should consider running from Baramulla district as well, grenades ki mala, AK in hand, stacheless beard.. y'know, the works.

kya ye temple tumple lagai rakhein hain ?

drop the pretense already, should Rahul Gandhi Ji

YOU are such a boring git.
Why don't you buy a book of jokes and learn a few of them?
That might improve things.
Right now, you are so boring.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well, obviously today India as a state with its institutions does not have any long term strategy or foreign policy goal with expansionist ambitions (except for the dispute over Kashmir or what you call as POK) Hopefully, it will always remain like that.

Think carefully and look at the situation. The socio-political movement that runs India today has not long term strategy for anything. No foreign policy, for which you need a point of view, something that our pet talking parrot whom we have for an External Affairs Minister lacks, along with some of his reproductive equipment.

Even the so-called dispute over Kashmir is a talking point, not a doing point. Remember that this is an administration led by a coward.

But if this ideology starts to get more serious and penetrate deep into the state's structure overtime with more folks from the position of leadership who now talks about their expansionist and revisionist foreign policy goals openly in their speeches, somehow feel empowered (hopefully never) to act on some of their ideologically driven agendas, it will be clearly visible to the neighbors.

<sigh>
You really don't get it.
Their speeches are intended to whip up their follows to a frenzy. They are not for action.

Usually, it starts with small stuff and gradually gets bigger. Such process takes a decade or longer. If it ever begins, BD would have to seriously up its defence spending along with diplomatic & geopolitical maneuvers with great powers.

Total waste of time. Five or six Light Infantry Brigades properly armed; that's all that is needed.

 

[KamBhakth]

Who was that for? The Bangladeshis?

Yes. For the Bangladeshis.

 

[Afif]

Think carefully and look at the situation. The socio-political movement that runs India today has not long term strategy for anything. No foreign policy, for which you need a point of view, something that our pet talking parrot whom we have for an External Affairs Minister lacks, along with some of his reproductive equipment.

Even the so-called dispute over Kashmir is a talking point, not a doing point. Remember that this is an administration led by a coward.

Interesting....I guess Kashmir is a deadlock as both parties are nuclear power.

<sigh>
You really don't get it.
Their speeches are intended to whip up their follows to a frenzy. They are not for action.

Of course, not now. But if it ever becomes real.(hopefully never)

Total waste of time. Five or six Light Infantry Brigades properly armed; that's all that is needed.

To defend BD?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes. For the Bangladeshis.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Interesting....I guess Kashmir is a deadlock as both parties are nuclear power.

That was a faintly irritating remark (faintly, faintly! calm down).
There is no deadlock.
It is an article of faith for Pakistan to reclaim those portions of Kashmir not presently in her control or that of China. Towards this end, they spend enormous numbers of lives recruiting, training and deploying irregulars into the Vale, rarely, in the Pahadi belt (the strip of land from Akhnoor to Poonch). They get killed within weeks, but as long as they are alive, they create pockets of fear.
It is an article of faith for the former Congress regimes not to be the aggressor. There has never been an Indian attack on the populated parts of Kashmir; the only actions that are worth nothing are the pre-emptive attack on the heights of the Siachen Glacier (unpopulated areas, kindly note), the capture of Haji Pir Pass in 1965 (it was returned by the terms of the peace agreement at Tashkent), and the capture of Turtuk, beyond Batalik, in 1971 (remains in Indian administration).
It is an article of faith for the present Sanghi administration never to be involved in anything as vulgar as a fight. Fights are dangerous things, and people lose fights. Much bette assemble a mob and rape pregnant women.

I pray that the situation has been explained to you sufficiently usefully.

 

[Afif]

That was a faintly irritating remark (faintly, faintly! calm down).
There is no deadlock.
It is an article of faith for Pakistan to reclaim those portions of Kashmir not presently in her control or that of China. Towards this end, they spend enormous numbers of lives recruiting, training and deploying irregulars into the Vale, rarely, in the Pahadi belt (the strip of land from Akhnoor to Poonch). They get killed within weeks, but as long as they are alive, they create pockets of fear.
It is an article of faith for the former Congress regimes not to be the aggressor. There has never been an Indian attack on the populated parts of Kashmir; the only actions that are worth nothing are the pre-emptive attack on the heights of the Siachen Glacier (unpopulated areas, kindly note), the capture of Haji Pir Pass in 1965 (it was returned by the terms of the peace agreement at Tashkent), and the capture of Turtuk, beyond Batalik, in 1971 (remains in Indian administration).
It is an article of faith for the present Sanghi administration never to be involved in anything as vulgar as a fight. Fights are dangerous things, and people lose fights. Much bette assemble a mob and rape pregnant women.

I pray that the situation has been explained to you sufficiently usefully.

I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not disputing what you said. Just saying that, in the end no matter what either parties (Pakistan or India) tries with regard to Kashmir, change of border/status quo is very unlikely. All the effort will be fuitile as serious escalation is not possible.

Total waste of time. Five or six Light Infantry Brigades properly armed; that's all that is needed.

Can you explain how so?

 

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I'll be right here to remind you, if I'm still allowed

dhairya, couple months is all.. just hold your breath and do not breathe