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Damn ISRO is working on hypersonic aircraft by using hybrid-propulsion
Is this even achievable

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It is always the final goal for any scramjet project (application wise), since there will be significant limitations with pure-scramjet going forward.

You need to gear/hedge stuff that is good for each regime of speed (past just the apex) for more useful+efficient systems.

Essentially why it didnt stop at turbojet but moved to turbofan too etc.

An earlier version of this concept can be seen in the mode of operations of the SR-71 Blackbird, the engine core at high enough speed was bypassed mostly and the propulsion module acted as a ramjet mostly.
 

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It is always the final goal for any scramjet project (application wise), since there will be significant limitations with pure-scramjet going forward.

You need to gear/hedge stuff that is good for each regime of speed (past just the apex) for more useful+efficient systems.

Essentially why it didnt stop at turbojet but moved to turbofan too etc.

An earlier version of this concept can be seen in the mode of operations of the SR-71 Blackbird, the engine core at high enough speed was bypassed mostly and the propulsion module acted as a ramjet mostly.
Can ISRO pull this off?
It seems very complicated
 

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Can ISRO pull this off?
It seems very complicated

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It is worth remembering the possible two technology streams available to India w.r.t scramjet in a future system:

- Domestic HSTDV confirmed + commited, and has been tested and sustained to about 20 seconds of 2km/s speed (around mach 6 - 7 at altitude of ~30 km)

- Zircon (Brahmos II) dependent on ToT there with Russia (i.e not confirmed)

So it makes sense for ISRO (and DRDO) to not wait for maturity of scramjet technology (which will need more basis than what has been accomplished in the best test so far), but to move ahead and mature more analysis of these concepts and systems w.r.t:

A) aerodynamic (internal and external)
B) structural analysis
C) Pertinent intersection of A and B on each other (i.e aeroelastic considerations in esp novel supersonic and hypersonic regimes and transitions)

i.e analyse and test what you can without the scramjet ready (in fact the simulation + testing results can give you requirements for the scramjet to meet to be viable in this application).

For first set of testing a dummy booster or similar can be used to substitute for the (design expected) scramjet, and this might be a route to pursue further (if economical) if such scramjet ends up not feasible (given that is an open ended field right now w.r.t viable success by top countries involved worldwide, though there has been notable promising progress lately esp in CFD realm w.r.t special features for sustenance of combustion and related disciplines)

Ramjet has already been matured in India (given brahmos and earlier research), and rockets are of course very well matured (the other propulsive components of this system).

So overall ISRO should be quite capable to handle this project if suitable funding and research team is dedicated.

@Anmdt @AlphaMike @Philip the Arab @Kartal1 @Zapper @Cabatli_53 @Test7 @crixus @Gautam @Fuzuli NL et al.
 

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It is worth remembering the possible two technology streams available to India w.r.t scramjet in a future system:

- Domestic HSTDV confirmed + commited, and has been tested and sustained to about 20 seconds of 2km/s speed (around mach 6 - 7 at altitude of ~30 km)

- Zircon (Brahmos II) dependent on ToT there with Russia (i.e not confirmed)

So it makes sense for ISRO (and DRDO) to not wait for maturity of scramjet technology (which will need more basis than what has been accomplished in the best test so far), but to move ahead and mature more analysis of these concepts and systems w.r.t:

A) aerodynamic (internal and external)
B) structural analysis
C) Pertinent intersection of A and B on each other (i.e aeroelastic considerations in esp novel supersonic and hypersonic regimes and transitions)

i.e analyse and test what you can without the scramjet ready (in fact the simulation + testing results can give you requirements for the scramjet to meet to be viable in this application).

For first set of testing a dummy booster or similar can be used to substitute for the (design expected) scramjet, and this might be a route to pursue further (if economical) if such scramjet ends up not feasible (given that is an open ended field right now w.r.t viable success by top countries involved worldwide, though there has been notable promising progress lately esp in CFD realm w.r.t special features for sustenance of combustion and related disciplines)

Ramjet has already been matured in India (given brahmos and earlier research), and rockets are of course very well matured (the other propulsive components of this system).

So overall ISRO should be quite capable to handle this project if suitable funding and research team is dedicated.

@Anmdt @AlphaMike @Philip the Arab @Kartal1 @Zapper @Cabatli_53 @Test7 @crixus @Gautam @Fuzuli NL et al.
None of the countries have this technology,not even US
However there is speculation US might already have.
It's defence application i think could be used in HAVA itself for the time being,could be used as unmanned hypersonic reconnaissance aircraft via rocket.
Anyways for such project,we need advancements in material science
Also lifting this 133 ton monster would be challenging and would need powerful turbo-ramjet even powerful than the PW J58 that was used in sr71 ofcourse
 
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None of the countries have this technology,not even US

The design loop intensity is extremely rigid currently (i.e a ton of research one can do can end up as useless in end, at least in a relevant snapshot of specific project). This plagues every country right now involved, more details below.



However there is speculation US might already have.

It is quite hypothetical speculation IMO (I have followed the papers quite closely, one of top people in the arena was prof in my uni as well)....as there would have been clear deployed feedback on more conventional propulsion methods (ramjet, gas turbines) by now if so given the significance of combustor understanding.



It's defence application i think could be used in HAVA itself for the time being,could be used as unmanned hypersonic reconnaissance aircraft via rocket.

Yes larger project of heft (man hours and funds) should never go to waste, so a filler rocket should be on standby for the "Scramjet" zone if needed (if I was project manager, it would be first thing I structure into program organisation)...that is if basic numbers compute out w.r.t just large SSTO rocket (i.e basic feasibility advantage).




Anyways for such project,we need advancements in material science

I myself work in combustor RnD (using CFD and other methods) for gas turbine. Materials are low concern here right now, even lower for novel research disciplines compared to ours.

Material science is actually very small portion of the current obstacle faced (by scramjets) compared to the CFD and aerodynamic realm w.r.t the combustor (highly non ideal) input conditions.

This is because by use of boundary layers and other airflow effects (like shock trains in ramjet and scramjet), we can mitigate the temperature faced by the construction material/interface itself...among other advantages (extra compression provided for "Free" etc)

This (internal airflow layers) concept has high relevance to operation even in jet engines....the materials (even best single crystal blade) definitely do not contact (for their immense benefit and basic existence) the maximum temperature of fluid at all.

But it is especially important in ramjet/scramjet as there is even fewer material science considerations given the lack of moving parts in the concept (a key advantage to this arena). i.e More for moving parts assured economics+reliability = more material science needed.

Anyway, you want this (internal) CFD regime to be as reliable and robust as possible because simply it is fastest and cheapest way for iteration + verfication.

But in CFD, lot of assumptions, regimes, models and constants we hold for more conventional regime (subsonic to first levels of supersonic), esp for meaningful result within precious solver time bound.... simply start to deteriorate at high supersonic and then hypersonic.

There is no quick, easy, efficient way to solve these problems (which I will spare you the details as its very long subject).

You can go on many wild goose chases without even knowing (often you just have to take educated guess on route to take, commit and see and have it pan out or not)....similar to early days of jet engines for that discpline (the base is now very broad and matured there relatively speaking given man hours spent now compared to new fields like hypersonic)

As you establish more in this particular hypersonic variant CFD modelling (What works and doesnt work) from initial tests in hypersonic tunnel/atmosphere.... the understanding base broadens, and further test applicability also is helped.

The challenges are considerable in this design loop (rough sketch i made just now for better ease to see some of the feedback process) for hypersonic regime w.r.t combustion:

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India only recently brought its hypersonic wind tunnel facility online for example (i.e establishing critical link in this loop), and it has given further fruit in the recent atmospheric test of HSTDV.

So there is long way to go....at these early days of rigid design loop (For every country involved) each test always gives data that make more questions/challenges (depending on sensitivity+accuracy of instrumentation onboard) than answer.

As design loop broadens and becomes more flexible (i.e you prove a certain branch and can do iteration on it in CFD level itself for good results to save time + expense etc), each painful maturity point is realised of the technology.


Here is Indian paper published in 2011 with more detail (in the fundamental "set up" to start with the injector, flameholder and combustor promotion etc) for those interested in it:


I can for example go into some detail about current drawbacks/limitations of K-e model (and related k omega) assumptions in realm of hypersonics....but that would be next tiers after this paper etc in the design loop.

i.e How to make a better hypersonic solver from first discrepancies noticed (from tests) w.r.t a more standard K-e model's series of results.

2020 HSTDV test would definitely have provided wealth of data for even further improvement of this but still its early days overall given number of factors related to the shock tunnel (And other matters) everyone (worldwide) I have so far read upon is facing and trying few brute force "get lucky" ways augmenting a more structured but slower approach.

ISRO has very competent project managers in India (and how much risk vs assured slow approach split is and will be in their hands in the end), probably the most competent given the realised results so far....so I feel confident this is in best possible hands for success.

I have firsthand seen the great benefits of experienced project management here in Canada aerospace sector....hope to get there soon one day myself, and bring this critical skill+experience back to India.

As extra paper for any interested in what I mean about the CFD models in hypersonic regime.....you can see material science is not even really mentioned (essentially we can achieve a whole lot well within current set of materials).....we need to really solve the major issues in CFD (w.r.t this realm) first before we can perfect more details in more minor disciplines:


@Anmdt @Saithan et al.
 

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It is worth remembering the possible two technology streams available to India w.r.t scramjet in a future system:

- Domestic HSTDV confirmed + commited, and has been tested and sustained to about 20 seconds of 2km/s speed (around mach 6 - 7 at altitude of ~30 km)

- Zircon (Brahmos II) dependent on ToT there with Russia (i.e not confirmed)

So it makes sense for ISRO (and DRDO) to not wait for maturity of scramjet technology (which will need more basis than what has been accomplished in the best test so far), but to move ahead and mature more analysis of these concepts and systems w.r.t:

A) aerodynamic (internal and external)
B) structural analysis
C) Pertinent intersection of A and B on each other (i.e aeroelastic considerations in esp novel supersonic and hypersonic regimes and transitions)

i.e analyse and test what you can without the scramjet ready (in fact the simulation + testing results can give you requirements for the scramjet to meet to be viable in this application).

For first set of testing a dummy booster or similar can be used to substitute for the (design expected) scramjet, and this might be a route to pursue further (if economical) if such scramjet ends up not feasible (given that is an open ended field right now w.r.t viable success by top countries involved worldwide, though there has been notable promising progress lately esp in CFD realm w.r.t special features for sustenance of combustion and related disciplines)

Ramjet has already been matured in India (given brahmos and earlier research), and rockets are of course very well matured (the other propulsive components of this system).

So overall ISRO should be quite capable to handle this project if suitable funding and research team is dedicated.

@Anmdt @AlphaMike @Philip the Arab @Kartal1 @Zapper @Cabatli_53 @Test7 @crixus @Gautam @Fuzuli NL et al.
I am a bit skeptic when something gets complicated and has different type of engines in addition to multiple engines (above 4) of a same kind.
In my opinion, probability of failure would increase as a new engine added and folded as a new kind of engine is installed.
We are talking about jet + rockets here each with their own troubles and simple reusable rockets still seems more feasible if this project doesn't have any kind of high stratosphere-hypersonic intelligence aircraft aims for military use in future.
Also we need to foresee possible flight stability issues at high speeds and high altitudes.
To worth the trouble there should be some greater good on the background for developing something such.
 

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Skyroot Aerospace raises $11 million in Series A funding with plans to have Vikram-I on the launch pad by mid-2022​

Prabhjote GillMay 20, 2021, 09:50 IST
Skyroot Aerospace raises $11 million in Series A funding with plans to have Vikram-I on the launch pad by mid-2022
BUSINESS INSIDER INDIASkyroot Aerospace was founded by former ISRO scientists Pawan Kumar Chandana and Naga Bharat Daka in 2017Skyroot
  • Skyroot Aerospace has raised $11 million in its series A round of funding.
  • The space startup founded by two former ISRO scientists is already taking launch bookings for next year.
  • It plans to have its first commercial mission off the ground mid-2022.
Indian space startup Skyroot Aerospace has raised $11 million in its series A round of funding. This is nearly 10 times the $1.5 million the rocket building entrepreneurs, Pawan Kumar Chandana and Naga Bharath Daka, raised in 2018.


“We intend to raise $40 million more to fund our aggressive growth plans over the next few years,” said Daka, co-founder and chief operating officer (COO) of the Hyderabad-based company. The series A amount will be used for its rocket programme and getting their flagship vehicle, Vikram-1, off the ground.

However, Skyroot Aerospace is not the only space startup raking in fresh funding. Chennai-based Agnikul Cosmos also raised $11 million in their Series A round of funding — the largest investment in the space startup scene for both of them after the Indian government opened up the sector to private participation less than a year ago.



Space StartupLatest fundingAmount
PixxelMarch 2021$7.3 million
Agnikul CosmosMay 2021$11 million
Skyroot AerospaceMay 2021$ 11million
According to Chandana, Skyroot Aerospace’s announcement was long pending but the team was waiting for the COVID-19 situation to become comparatively better. "We had more time for design which helped in optimising our vehicle and resulted in significant cost and time savings," he told Business Insider.

Skyroot Aerospace’s Series A was led by Greenko Group founders Anil Kumar Chalamalasetty and Mahesh Kolli. Both of them will now also be on the startup’s board of directors along with Solar Group, a major space and defence supplier. Other notable investors also include former WhatsApp global business chief Neeraj Arora, Myntra and CureFit founder Mukesh Bansal — who is also the original investor from 2018 — Graph Ventures, and Worldquant Ventures.

Space technology startups are the next big bet for venture capitalists in India​





The COVID-19 pandemic and the associated lockdowns were an issue for Agnikul Cosmos. “Due to the COVID-19 situation, there have been a few delays but we are looking to launch our first mission in the second half of next year,” said Srinath Ravichandran, co-founder and chief executive officer (CEO) of Agnikul Cosmos.

The startup test-fired the world’s first 3D printed rocket engine Agnilet earlier this year. And it plans on conducting more such tests later this year.

Its series A round of funding was led by Mayfield India. Angel investors including Anand Mahindra, Naval Ravikant, Nithin Kamath and Balaji Srinivasan also threw their hat in the ring.



The startup had raised $3.1 million in March 2020 in its pre-Series A round of funding.

 
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Skyroot Aerospace raises $11 million in Series A funding with plans to have Vikram-I on the launch pad by mid-2022​

Prabhjote GillMay 20, 2021, 09:50 IST
Skyroot Aerospace raises $11 million in Series A funding with plans to have Vikram-I on the launch pad by mid-2022
BUSINESS INSIDER INDIASkyroot Aerospace was founded by former ISRO scientists Pawan Kumar Chandana and Naga Bharat Daka in 2017Skyroot
  • Skyroot Aerospace has raised $11 million in its series A round of funding.
  • The space startup founded by two former ISRO scientists is already taking launch bookings for next year.
  • It plans to have its first commercial mission off the ground mid-2022.
Indian space startup Skyroot Aerospace has raised $11 million in its series A round of funding. This is nearly 10 times the $1.5 million the rocket building entrepreneurs, Pawan Kumar Chandana and Naga Bharath Daka, raised in 2018.


“We intend to raise $40 million more to fund our aggressive growth plans over the next few years,” said Daka, co-founder and chief operating officer (COO) of the Hyderabad-based company. The series A amount will be used for its rocket programme and getting their flagship vehicle, Vikram-1, off the ground.

However, Skyroot Aerospace is not the only space startup raking in fresh funding. Chennai-based Agnikul Cosmos also raised $11 million in their Series A round of funding — the largest investment in the space startup scene for both of them after the Indian government opened up the sector to private participation less than a year ago.



Space StartupLatest fundingAmount
PixxelMarch 2021$7.3 million
Agnikul CosmosMay 2021$11 million
Skyroot AerospaceMay 2021$ 11million
According to Chandana, Skyroot Aerospace’s announcement was long pending but the team was waiting for the COVID-19 situation to become comparatively better. "We had more time for design which helped in optimising our vehicle and resulted in significant cost and time savings," he told Business Insider.

Skyroot Aerospace’s Series A was led by Greenko Group founders Anil Kumar Chalamalasetty and Mahesh Kolli. Both of them will now also be on the startup’s board of directors along with Solar Group, a major space and defence supplier. Other notable investors also include former WhatsApp global business chief Neeraj Arora, Myntra and CureFit founder Mukesh Bansal — who is also the original investor from 2018 — Graph Ventures, and Worldquant Ventures.

Space technology startups are the next big bet for venture capitalists in India​





The COVID-19 pandemic and the associated lockdowns were an issue for Agnikul Cosmos. “Due to the COVID-19 situation, there have been a few delays but we are looking to launch our first mission in the second half of next year,” said Srinath Ravichandran, co-founder and chief executive officer (CEO) of Agnikul Cosmos.

The startup test-fired the world’s first 3D printed rocket engine Agnilet earlier this year. And it plans on conducting more such tests later this year.

Its series A round of funding was led by Mayfield India. Angel investors including Anand Mahindra, Naval Ravikant, Nithin Kamath and Balaji Srinivasan also threw their hat in the ring.



The startup had raised $3.1 million in March 2020 in its pre-Series A round of funding.

Agnikul as well !!!

 

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Bellatrix Aerospace successfully tests India’s first privately developed hall-effect thruster​

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Bellatrix says its new hall-effect thruster will provide a reliable propulsion solution for small satellites. This, at a time when Elon Musk’s Starlink, Airtel’s OneWeb and Amazon are planning to beam satellite internet to earth.​


By Alnoor Peermohamed, ETtech
Last Updated: May 27, 2021, 01:43 PM IST
Bengaluru: Space technology startup Bellatrix Aerospace has successfully tested India’s first privately developed hall-effect thruster, an electric propulsion engine for micro satellites weighing 50-500 kg.

The thruster will be ready for commercial use by the end of this year, the company said.



Bellatrix said it has completed ground tests for the new thruster in line with Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and European Space Agency (ESA) standards at its lab at the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore.

It is now readying to test its hall-effect thruster in space, for which it has signed an agreement with a European company for the device to be fitted to a satellite which will be launched in the coming months.

“We have optimised this propulsion system to specifically cater to the microsatellite segment. There were a lot of challenges in scaling down the technology, both in the plasma physics and the thruster construction,” said Rohan M Ganapathy, co-founder and chief executive officer at Bellatrix Aerospace. “It has taken us more than four years to develop this from scratch.”

Hall-effect thrusters were first developed by the erstwhile Soviet Union in the 1970s. While they’ve become a mainstay for satellite propulsion over the years, the technology has traditionally been used only for large satellites weighing in excess of 2,000 kg.

Bellatrix said its new thruster will provide a reliable propulsion solution to small satellite manufacturers, a market which is seen as booming after players like Starlink, OneWeb and even Amazon have gotten into a race to create a web of satellites that can beam broadband internet down to earth.

Simultaneously, there is also a growing opportunity for earth observation satellites, which several companies including giants like Airbus are vying for.

The Bengaluru-based company said its hall-effect thruster would offer far higher specific impulse (mileage) and could double the service life of such satellites to 10 years. This could result in 3X higher return on investment for satellite markets according to its estimates.

Bellatrix said its ability to scale down the technology gives it a competitive edge. Its current designs use xenon as fuel, but it says it is working on other proprietary propellants that will make its thruster more compact in the future.

“The smaller the thruster, the more complex it gets. The way to achieve this is less known. We have succeeded in developing the smallest Hall Thruster in the country,” said Rajesh Natarajan, a senior scientist in Bellatrix’s electric propulsion system division who played a key role in this development.

Apart from selling the propulsion unit to satellite makers, Bellatrix said the hall-effect thruster will also play a key role in making its space taxi, which will be able to ferry small satellites into multiple orbits, a reality.

“Our space taxi will allow multiple satellites to be launched in different orbits on a single rocket and this engine is one of the critical technologies in achieving that,” Ganapathy said.

Bellatrix had earlier won an order from ISRO for developing the world’s first commercial microwave plasma thruster which uses water as its fuel.

 
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Half-effect thruster

In spacecraft propulsion, a Hall-effect thruster (HET) is a type of ion thruster in which the propellant is accelerated by an electric field. Hall-effect thrusters (based on the discovery by Edwin Hall) are sometimes referred to as Hall thrusters or Hall-current thrusters. Hall-effect thrusters use a magnetic field to limit the electrons' axial motion and then use them to ionize propellant, efficiently accelerate the ions to produce thrust, and neutralize the ions in the plume. The Hall-effect thruster is classed as a moderate specific impulse (1,600 s) space propulsion technology and has benefited from considerable theoretical and experimental research since the 1960s.

Hall thrusters operate on a variety of propellants, the most common being xenon and krypton. Other propellants of interest include argon, bismuth, iodine, magnesium and zinc.

Hall thrusters are able to accelerate their exhaust to speeds between 10 and 80 km/s (1,000–8,000 s specific impulse), with most models operating between 15 and 30 km/s (1,500–3,000 s specific impulse). The thrust produced depends on the power level. Devices operating at 1.35 kW produce about 83 mN of thrust. High-power models have demonstrated up to 5.4 N in the laboratory.Power levels up to 100 kW have been demonstrated for xenon Hall thrusters.

As of 2009, Hall-effect thrusters ranged in input power levels from 1.35 to 10 kilowatts and had exhaust velocities of 10–50 kilometers per second, with thrust of 40–600 millinewtons and efficiency in the range of 45–60 percent. The applications of Hall-effect thrusters include control of the orientation and position of orbiting satellites and use as a main propulsion engine for medium-size robotic space vehicles.
 
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So we have 3 Private space companies working on Satellite Launch Vehicles; Bellatrix Aerospace, Agnikul Aerospace and SkyRoot Aerospace. I feel government should incentivise their R&D and provide them the best of facilities possible, they should reach the levels of ISRO of 2020 atleast by 2030.
 

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So we have 3 Private space companies working on Satellite Launch Vehicles; Bellatrix Aerospace, Agnikul Aerospace and SkyRoot Aerospace. I feel government should incentivise their R&D and provide them the best of facilities possible, they should reach the levels of ISRO of 2020 atleast by 2030.
ISRO has already signed MOUs with them,providing their facilities and infrastructure for launch,build rockets initially.
Out of all which one do you think would be most successful?
 
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ISRO has already signed MOUs with them,providing their facilities and infrastructure for launch,build rockets initially.
Out of all which one do you think would be most successful?
Most successful should be SkyRoot, all of them are ex-ISRO Scientists.
 

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