TR Indigenous Made Firearms & Medium Calibre Weapons

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yes there will be some disadvantages,barrel life,old stocks,cost of new rifles,but there are some advanteges also range,penetration,less weight,more ammo,but it can only proved on the battlefield,mean tiime nato accetped five seven ammo as a standard which is also have better penetration
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5.70x28mm is such an overrated cartridge, especially for Pistols.

Sure it has better penetration power due the higher velocity and usually slightly more ammo capacity but in terms of versatility, cost and better ballistic results (stopping power) against unarmored targets the 9mm is an unbeatable allrounder.

5,70 is a calibre suiting perfectly for the PDW category of weapons but not pistols.
 
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5.70x28mm is such an overrated cartridge, especially for Pistols.

Sure it has better penetration power due the higher velocity and usually slightly more ammo capacity but in terms of versatility, cost and better ballistic results (stopping power) against unarmored targets the 9mm is an unbeatable allrounder.

It's a calibre suiting perfectly for the PDW category of weapons but not pistols.
5.7 can fulfil its role with just SS190armour piercing rounds due to it was created against bulletproof vests.

Without ss190 bullet 5.7 cartridge waste of velocity, energy and money.
 
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usa will not use no more 7.62mm for 1200 yarda snipers
only 6.5mm creedmore because its more poweful and more accurate for that range
İ don't want to personalize it but you wrote again inaccurate. There is no result it.
in the Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon, or NGSW, effort, designed to begin arming close-combat units with a rifle and automatic rifle chambered for a specially designed 6.8mm projectile. Fielding is set to begin sometime in fiscal 2022.

There are 3 rival cartridges and weapons for NGSW.
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5.7 can fulfil its role with just SS190armour piercing rounds due to it was created against bulletproof vests.

Without ss190 bullet 5.7 cartridge waste of velocity, energy and money.
The SS190 is just a normal FMJ projectile but it's classified as "AP" round. It's not specially created for armor piercing duties.
 

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İ don't want to personalize it but you wrote again inaccurate. There is no result it.
in the Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon, or NGSW, effort, designed to begin arming close-combat units with a rifle and automatic rifle chambered for a specially designed 6.8mm projectile. Fielding is set to begin sometime in fiscal 2022.

There are 3 rival cartridges and weapons for NGSW.
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So they want to make wars more expensive just so they can save 20% weight on the cartridge :)
 
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The SS190 is just a normal FMJ projectile but it's classified as "AP" round. It's not specially created for armor piercing duties.
SS190 is not just a normal Full Metal Jacket round . it has steel core as penetrator. İt 's created for armour piercing duties since USSR were supposed to give all soldiers armour vests.
 
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The 6.5 Creedmoor can do nearly anything better than the 308./7.62 NATO but you see the differences after 600-700m so is it worth it to change? In my opinion not really since you have to ask yourself on which distances the most engagements happen and do you really need sniper support reaching the 1200m?

Biggest pro for the 7.62 NATO is that the barrel life is over twice as long as with the 6.5, which means the 7.62 is more economic in the long term.

Being firearms owner myself, I have debated/compared rounds and reloads extensively as a bit of a hobby (among friends etc).

This is the kind of debate that has gone back a very long time....it probably originated in strong way with the .220 swift which outperforms pretty much every 22 cal varmint round etc.

But the issue was things like barrel wear (like you mention) and related issues (esp. initially)...that compound in the early days of the round development/adoption vis-a-vis the industry capital investment + follow on production cycle research....and whatever the biggest buyer + user + economy of scale provider situation was like. You get leg in the big guy's door and you kind of set for life etc....later competitors find it difficult to unseat the OG coz of that.

That is why popular rounds today in the area like .22-250 won out in the end though they are ballistically inferior (to .220 swift) technically. .22-250 is still like 80% as good etc....but is superior in economy of the barrel etc, so it won out initially. .220 swift itself has very good barrels now (pricey) but kind of late to the party overall to make the huge presence impact.

I have a .22-250 myself, and I dont see need to get a .220 platform as I would rather spend elsewhere. So this opportunity cost always arises in general given inertia + well known + deployed entity etc.

It is also why I have .223 platform (5.56 NATO) too in this category...again it is ballistically inferior to .220 swift, but it has advantages in scale given it won out in debate (w.r.t barrel materials etc at the time) earlier.

You can use newer and better technology (with barrels etc)....or develop the RnD etc...but this all takes time and cost for mass-adoption platform....and the opportunity cost of spending that time and cost on something else.

A friend of mine that worked at lapua, told me as rule of thumb because of this a round needs like 20 - 30% significant improvement (over overall broad range of parameters past just ballistic performance) to really get past the deployed+tested RnD norms, inertia, tech heritage, logistics etc...these days in military side of things.

He said so even though they of course do lot of round and ballistics research all the time, there is huge wealth of data all these companies sit on regarding it. But the next steps are where the larger obstacles are w.r.t mass scale production and adoption etc.

Special forces it gets a bit easier given more buffer for specialist cost for last mile performance...but really only US has special force raw size in world to drive things here.

So its tough for new entrants like Creedmoor even past the good point you bring up (where are the frequent range engagements to begin with?) w.r.t "worth it" analysis. Creedmoor maybe has 10% in their improvement matrix iirc (that incorporates lot of the industry production + QC matters + RnD needs)...like its significant but not signficant enough.

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BTW I love turkish made firearms....I own quite a nice pair of shotguns made in turkey (tristar raptor 20 gauge)....

They perform very reliably for their pricepoint.
 

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5.7 can fulfil its role with just SS190armour piercing rounds due to it was created against bulletproof vests.

Without ss190 bullet 5.7 cartridge waste of velocity, energy and money.
five seven should be very accurate at long distances on PDW s
 
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Record in the sale of rifles and pistols to the USA:
🎯 Problems faced by suppliers in other countries in production due to the epidemic increased the demand for Turkish products
🎯 Turkey won 379 million dollars in 2020, from rifles and pistols export
🎯 The highest export was made to the USA
 

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The MKE AP5 Pistol is based on the HK MP5 and made on HK Machinery in Turkey. MKE is an Arms manufacturer for military and police agencies around the world. These are imported by Century Arms.

 

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The MKE AP5 Pistol is based on the HK MP5 and made on HK Machinery in Turkey. MKE is an Arms manufacturer for military and police agencies around the world. These are imported by Century Arms.

Unfortunately many civilians here think Turkish guns are low quality guns compared to American, and European guns.
 

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Unfortunately many civilians here think Turkish guns are low quality guns compared to American, and European guns.
They are wiser than that as they take price into consideration and especially Canik TP9 pistols are no brainers. Canik alone sells like 330k pistols a year (2020 election year). They are well respected and many people ditch Glocks and pick up Caniks for their price and quality.
 

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Record in the sale of rifles and pistols to the USA:
🎯 Problems faced by suppliers in other countries in production due to the epidemic increased the demand for Turkish products
🎯 Turkey won 379 million dollars in 2020, from rifles and pistols export
🎯 The highest export was made to the USA

Turkey broke records in weapons sales: more than 100 countries lined up​



Turkey's arms exports increased by 70 percent compared to last year. The highest sales were made to the USA.

Increasing tension before the elections in the USA triggered individual armament. 17 million guns were sold in the first 10 months of the year. Rumors that arms sales would be curtailed as the Democrats won the election also doubled the demand.

According to the news of TRT Haber, Sales and marketing manager Abdussamed Güzel said, "There are about 35 thousand guns we send to the USA for now and we will send them.

RUSSIA AND FRANCE FOLLOW THE USA​

There are a large number of orders delivered and waiting to be delivered.

Arms are exported to more than 100 countries, not just the USA. Russia and France follow the USA in the ranking of export countries. Abdussamed Güzel gave the following information about the export countries:

“Although we are from North American countries, we also have customers from South America such as Argentina and Chile. We also export to countries such as Denmark, Finland, England and France in Europe. Likewise, we have customers in Asian countries such as Malaysia, Thailand, or the African continent such as the Republic of South Africa. "

MOST PREFERRED SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS​


Turkey, with world production and export of shotguns in Italy one of the highlights of the two countries.

Both price advantage and product quality increase the interest in Turkish shotguns.

 

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They are wiser than that as they take price into consideration and especially Canik TP9 pistols are no brainers. Canik alone sells like 330k pistols a year (2020 election year). They are well respected and many people ditch Glocks and pick up Caniks for their price and quality.
Caniks are pretty good I agree, but other manufactures are sometimes iffy especially selling cheaper guns. Do any Turkish companies manufacturer AR-15s?

People ditch Glocks? Glock 19 is like the all around best striker fired pistol in my opinion.
 

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Glock 19 vs Canik TP9SF Elite, Acc to user comments, Canik seems to have satisfied them very much.

Glock 17 vs Canik TP9SF

 

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Glock 19 vs Canik TP9SF Elite, Acc to user comments, Canik seems to have satisfied them very much.

Glock 17 vs Canik TP9SF

I like Glock also because it can be built at home with a kit and its frame completed by you. Canik would do better in the market if it could have a 80% finished frame.

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