Indonesia to Start First Batch Production of N-219 Transport Aircraft

[Nilgiri]

Indonesia to Start First Batch Production of N-219 Transport Aircraft | Global Business Press | GBP

Indonesian state-owned enterprise PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) will soon begin the first batch production of its twin turboprop, 19-seater, N-219 transport aircraft.

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Indonesian state-owned enterprise PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) will soon begin the first batch production of its twin turboprop, 19-seater, N-219 transport and utility aircraft. An amphibious version of N-219 is also in development.

The successful final test flight of the aircraft happened on Dec. 11. “The N-219 production will initially start with 4 aircraft per year,” Elfien Goentoro, the president director of PTDI, said. “But to fulfil the market share, we will upgrade and automate our production facility”.

Formally named “Nurtanio” after Indonesia’s aerospace pioneer Air Rear Admiral Nurtanio Pringgoadisuryo, the N-219, which development began in 2007, performed its first flight on Aug. 16, 2017.

The Short Take Off and Landing capable (STOL) N-219 “Nurtanio” was designed with Indonesian geographical conditions in mind. It is able to take off and land on short and unprepared airstrips that are frequently found in remote areas of the archipelago. Other than transport, it is also designed to perform various tasks such as military surveillance, search and rescue, and medical evacuation.

The N-219 is powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-42 turboprop engines. It has a maximum cruise speed of around 210 knots (380 km/h), with economical cruise speed of 170 knots (315 km/h). It can also carry 2 tons of cargo to its maximum range of 1533 km.

In order to reach Indonesia’s numerous remote islands that are too small to build airstrips at, an amphibious version of N-219 is also being actively developed.

@#comcom @Madokafc @Indos et al.

 

[Logam42]

The successful final test flight of the aircraft happened on Dec. 11. “The N-219 production will initially start with 4 aircraft per year,” Elfien Goentoro, the president director of PTDI, said. “But to fulfil the market share, we will upgrade and automate our production facility”.

YES. Automate dammit, this should have happened years ago. Happy its finally being done.

In order to reach Indonesia’s numerous remote islands that are too small to build airstrips at, an amphibious version of N-219 is also being actively developed.

YESSSSSSSSS

 

[Nilgiri]

YES. Automate dammit, this should have happened years ago. Happy its finally being done.


YESSSSSSSSS

This is an excellent program Indonesia has gestated and now matured. I wish it the greatest success...it will give great platform for future developments in deployed aerospace design and manufacturing....especially as Indonesia unique needs (given its geography) and huge relative market for this kind of product grows even more.

 

[Indos]

The reason of why the development take so long is because the government just provide the money for full development in 2014 (starting building prototypes). This shows a lack of vision of Indonesian old generation leader despite it only cost about 25 million USD.....

N-219 Bakal Jadi Pesawat Buatan Indonesia Pertama Tersertifikat

Pesawat dengan volume kabin terbesar di kelasnya ini dijadwalkan terbang perdana pada Agustus 2015.

www.beritasatu.com

 

[Madokafc]

This is an excellent program Indonesia has gestated and now matured. I wish it the greatest success...it will give great platform for future developments in deployed aerospace design and manufacturing....especially as Indonesia unique needs (given its geography) and huge relative market for this kind of product grows even more.

Though the Navy had long supporting the program as they are interested to replace their 29 units GAC Nomad patrol aircraft with smaller MPA version of this N219, lack of funding is very appealing in this case not to mention severe corruption case happened in PT DI from almost all echelon level hampered almost every Development project doing by PT DI.

Btw the PT DI always complained they don't have much budget for modernization of their assembly lines and retraining their young worker but their management is utterly corrupt and lazy aff to the core. God knows how to reform them!!!

 

[Indos]

Though the Navy had long supporting the program as they are interested to replace their 29 units GAC Nomad patrol aircraft with smaller MPA version of this N219, lack of funding is very appealing in this case not to mention severe corruption case happened in PT DI from almost all echelon level hampered almost every Development project doing by PT DI.

Btw the PT DI always complained they don't have much budget for modernization of their assembly lines and retraining their young worker but their management is utterly corrupt and lazy aff to the core. God knows how to reform them!!!

The new Director, Elfin Guntoro, is clean and has been proven by his ability to reform PT PELNI (SOE) from loss into profitable. He also has made PELNI become a logistic companies after passenger ships businesses are destroyed by low cost carrier airline.

The previous Dirgantara Director has been put in custody along with other company high official executives and KPK will keep targeting others and it include former Air Force Commander, Yuyu Sutrisna, that is recently being called and questioned by KPK.

Many of ex DI engineers that has worked in Boeing/Airbus (total ex DI work in foreign aerospace company is about 200 people) have also come back and hopefully their present will transform the company further.

 

[Nilgiri]

Though the Navy had long supporting the program as they are interested to replace their 29 units GAC Nomad patrol aircraft with smaller MPA version of this N219, lack of funding is very appealing in this case not to mention severe corruption case happened in PT DI from almost all echelon level hampered almost every Development project doing by PT DI.

Btw the PT DI always complained they don't have much budget for modernization of their assembly lines and retraining their young worker but their management is utterly corrupt and lazy aff to the core. God knows how to reform them!!!

This is exactly issue I have with SOEs broadly speaking.

I can list too many examples in India case too, going back long time to my dad's own career (starting in one in 80s - the silly comms company exists to this day, though it had and has lot of brilliant engineers squandered/squandering still...often the ones that stick thick and thin to India despite the pull of foreign shores and wages...and now MNCs and growing private sector too thankfully).

There is just too much resistance and build up for what needs to flow (ideas, innovation, funding, good market input, sales, PR, HR etc) when you involve govt too much in the branches and leaves of the economy. My dad have to fill all kind of paperwork just to requisition office stationary back then because everything is govt-bureaucrat approach.... ridiculous. Solution driven, he often would just buy it himself if cheap enough and get the task done quickly to move onto another. Such a thing was never rewarded...thus he got frustrated and secured job with and move to MNC in HK and thats actually where my story starts too.

The govt should secure the basic tree trunk and roots (law, order, security, courts, good standards and discipline, well focused institutions, basic welfare on public goods and services)...that is the role of the govt (secure what can only be secured collectively, so the individual can achieve his individual potential the best he/she can within it though the maximum opportunity afforded by this approach).

Govt should be kept there and managed and focused there (w.r.t tree - tree in great forest scope)...and not permeate over-bearing way to small minute areas where it just acts as deadweight (and actually take away from its greater role)...given it simply does not think and function in appropriate way for these kind of resolutions anywhere in the world which needs exposure to competition, ideas and flexibility to operate optimally....and then balanced with capital, labour + strategy issues of course (rather this being root default for everything).

There need to be fundamental trust in as many people as possible to organise to their situations and realities within a society. It needs promotion of opportunity wherever possible, not a complete control attitude by overlords (who got there by different route, often not merit basis as economy would see it)...or "do for sake of doing" + "throw darts and see what sticks" kind of thinking that is often the only thing driving cogs in bureaucrat-minds to promote cushy easy way for the very few up there with them, but show just enough nominal interest in what a country actually needs for the vast population of people.

 

[Madokafc]

The new Director, Elfin Guntoro, is clean and has been proven by his ability to reform PT PELNI (SOE) from loss into profitable. He also has made PELNI become a logistic companies after passenger ships businesses are destroyed by low cost carrier airline.

The previous Dirgantara Director has been put in custody along with other company high official executives and KPK will keep targeting others and it include former Air Force Commander, Yuyu Sutrisna, that is recently being called and questioned by KPK.

Many of ex DI engineers that has worked in Boeing/Airbus (total ex DI work in foreign aerospace company is about 200 people) have also come back and hopefully their present will transform the company further.

How can you know they are clean when only the director who is being replaced but the rest is the same old Stock. Don't you know the case when purchasing officer can manipulate the data of old Stock "afkir" inventory and resell them again to PT DI ? That's being done by lower management strata, that's how deep rooted the corruption in PT DI, not to mention the Oldies from abroad we just don't know what their motive for go back to PT DI, instead having more salaries and do their best according to their own interest abroad?

 

[Indos]

How can you know they are clean when only the director who is being replaced but the rest is the same old Stock. Don't you know the case when purchasing officer can manipulate the data of old Stock "afkir" inventory and resell them again to PT DI ? That's being done by lower management strata, that's how deep rooted the corruption in PT DI, not to mention the Oldies from abroad we just don't know what their motive for go back to PT DI, instead having more salaries and do their best according to their own interest abroad?

Nope, not only President Director that have been replaced and under KPK custody. You should follow the issue deeper, at least Marketing Director has also been under KPK custody.

 

[trishna_amrta]

The way I see it, the N-219 is intent to challenge Twin Otter in domestic market. In that regard it may succeed. However, for export market Twin Otter still held in high regard due to its reputation and all the feats it's capable to pull. I personally don't see how PT DI going to "branding" the N-219 in Twin Otter market niche.

 

[Gundala]

The new Director, Elfin Guntoro, is clean and has been proven by his ability to reform PT PELNI (SOE) from loss into profitable. He also has made PELNI become a logistic companies after passenger ships businesses are destroyed by low cost carrier airline.

The previous Dirgantara Director has been put in custody along with other company high official executives and KPK will keep targeting others and it include former Air Force Commander, Yuyu Sutrisna, that is recently being called and questioned by KPK.

Many of ex DI engineers that has worked in Boeing/Airbus (total ex DI work in foreign aerospace company is about 200 people) have also come back and hopefully their present will transform the company further.

I wish I can share the same enthusiasm to SOE specially PT.DI the same as you. I do respect your optimism toward SOE tho sometime I wonder in what world are you live in? When SOE say profit check out what Garuda last incidents trying to manipulate financial report looks like, there were cases where SOE claim profit but lost in operations simply because they gained revenue from asset selling back then.

PT. PELNI loss is acceptable as they doing Public Service Obligation and just like Pertamina where govt ""ngutang" duit subsidi or even just give their task to do it without caring how they going to finance the project. Like I said SOE with PSO/Strategic value should be kept.

Company working culture can not be change with new Director, sometime those who underneath them do some resistance by delaying project, loosing data etc to pressure the BoD and I tell you there aint much you can do.

As for PT.DI I wish them luck. Oh btw sometime I dont know if I should laugh or feel sorry for someone that has been charge with corruption and not having enough "wealth"/kekayaan afterwards. Perhaps the actual business process system is corrupt? They simply follow the path and got caught?

 

[Logam42]

I wish I can share the same enthusiasm to SOE specially PT.DI the same as you. I do respect your optimism toward SOE tho sometime I wonder in what world are you live in? When SOE say profit check out what Garuda last incidents trying to manipulate financial report looks like, there were cases where SOE claim profit but lost in operations simply because they gained revenue from asset selling back then.

PT. PELNI loss is acceptable as they doing Public Service Obligation and just like Pertamina where govt ""ngutang" duit subsidi or even just give their task to do it without caring how they going to finance the project. Like I said SOE with PSO/Strategic value should be kept.

Company working culture can not be change with new Director, sometime those who underneath them do some resistance by delaying project, loosing data etc to pressure the BoD and I tell you there aint much you can do.

As for PT.DI I wish them luck. Oh btw sometime I dont know if I should laugh or feel sorry for someone that has been charge with corruption and not having enough "wealth"/kekayaan afterwards. Perhaps the actual business process system is corrupt? They simply follow the path and got caught?

You know, saying you respect someone's opinion, and then saying you don't know what world they live in does not sound sincere.

Like saying 'I respect your beliefs, but sometimes I wonder what drugs you take that makes you think that way'

Either way though, modern SOEs hv changed much from the old ones. They hv better accountability and managment compared to old SOEs, especially those that are traded in the stock.

While several SOE really need to be merged and modernize, we also hv BUMN that year after year always give profits. Semen Indonesia, PT Indonesia Re, PT Inka to name only several.

In 2014, 27 SOE were making a loss. In 2019, the number had shrunk to only 7.

Saying a Director cannot change the culture is also untrue. Look at PT KAI before and after Jonan.

Malaysia, Singapore, China all have SOEs that work. We aren't there yet but our SOEs already outperform those from Latin America and Africa by a large margin. You clearly have your own biases but we should bd able to agree that Erick Thohir is a person that is smooth and ruthless enough to do it, and he is not afraid to close & merge SOEs to do it.

 

[Gundala]

You clearly have your own biases but we should bd able to agree that Erick Thohir is a person that is smooth and ruthless enough to do it, and he is not afraid to close & merge SOEs to do it.

I do agree, I write about how I have confidence in him and how I saw his strategic move corporate way and balancing with some of the politicial interest. Slowly bring back my confidence that somehow someway we are going to find a way. I hope he can finish his 5 years term.

Saying a Director cannot change the culture is also untrue. Look at PT KAI before and after Jonan

The context was about having new PT.DI Director from Pelni. I am also a fans of Jonan, but can we agree that he is one in a million people that can actually change the working culture and sustain it in time? Also how big is political party interest on PT.KAI back then? Very minimal if I remember correctly.

You know, saying you respect someone's opinion, and then saying you don't know what world they live in does not sound sincere.

Or it can also be a friendly reminder from a friend

In 2014, 27 SOE were making a loss. In 2019, the number had shrunk to only 7.

There is a progress allright. We can also argue endlessly about how a company with X amount of assets and having almost solely protected target market can only generate Y amount of revenue. It all depends on the perspective right?

My main concern is how the political interest effected our SOE from the holding all the way to anak perusahaan. From the way I see it if one SOE have multibillions project, having generate huge amount of profits, having more bright future, then the political interest will starting to creep in and most of the time thats the batu sandungan that make them unable to launch as professional global players. We want to fix SOE? Get to the root of the problem.

 

[Logam42]

The context was about having new PT.DI Director from Pelni. I am also a fans of Jonan, but can we agree that he is one in a million people that can actually change the working culture and sustain it in time? Also how big is political party interest on PT.KAI back then? Very minimal if I remember correctly.

How big is political interest in PT DI? Its just as minimal, apart from some media bluster about Habibi, no one is places PT DI as a possible cash cow. If anthing, interest in PT KAI was larger.

Jonan might be the most well known, since the operations of PT KAI serves millions of Indonesians, but he isn't the only successful reformer by far. Semen Indonesia and Reasuransi Indonesia Utama for example are market leaders that hv long shown profitability.

Or it can also be a friendly reminder from a friend

Take it from someone who knows english better than you. Its insulting. Try saying the same words to your boss!

"Boss, I respect your opinion, but it makes me wonder what world you live in (since it has no connection qith reality)!"

What you stated was your opinion, in effect you said that since his opinion was different than yours you were reminding him on how impossible that was.

There is a progress allright. We can also argue endlessly about how a company with X amount of assets and having almost solely protected target market can only generate Y amount of revenue. It all depends on the perspective right?

My main concern is how the political interest effected our SOE from the holding all the way to anak perusahaan. From the way I see it if one SOE have multibillions project, having generate huge amount of profits, having more bright future, then the political interest will starting to creep in and most of the time thats the batu sandungan that make them unable to launch as professional global players. We want to fix SOE? Get to the root of the problem.

Onother thing we can endlessly argue about is how if we privatise, the company will actually do better. In all actuality it would probably be closed down and we lose an important source of innovation, technology transfer, and employer of many high skilled machinists and engineers. Or a multinational buys it out and decides it woild never be anythkng more than a maintenance provider. Or it becomes a private local company that struggles to survive that still needs protection and subsidies to do so.

Also note that the protected market is also too small for this particular SOE and that it has seen substantial success in inking deals for export. Apart from corruption, another reason they had fonancial woes were due to currency swings.

The N-219 has a competitive price to its main rival the twin otter. Some of its capabilities are better, such as speed, fuel efficiency, and carrying capacity. This is not an offering of a coddled monopolist, rather that of a company trying to

Political meddling is an inherent risk for any SOE anywhere, just like how criminal profit squeezing is an inherent risk for any company. "Solving" it by privatisation though... also burns away many of its benefits of being directly accountable and controlled by the government. I see it as more a risk to be managed than anything else.

Your concerns are reasonable, but if you insist to bring them up all the time and insist your solution is the best solution then its reasonable that you are put under a lot of scrutiny by people like me who disagree with you.

 

[Gundala]

Take it from someone who knows english better than you. Its insulting. Try saying the same words to your boss!

Well, if you consider that insulting when from the way I see it I was just talking to a friend then I got nothing to say. And thank you for the English lesson. Btw do we talk the same way when we talking to a friend then to a boss? I dont think so. Even my former American boss wouldnt mind.

Onother thing we can endlessly argue about is how if we privatise, the company will actually do better. In all actuality it would probably be closed down and we lose an important source of innovation, technology transfer, and employer of many high skilled machinists and engineers.

Are we talking about PT.DI or SOE in general? PT.DI is considered strategic so no argument here.

Your concerns are reasonable, but if you insist to bring them up all the time and insist your solution is the best solution then its reasonable that you are put under a lot of scrutiny by people like me who disagree with you.

Let me repeat it again. SOE who is not Strategic or doing/assigned to do Public Service Obligation, those are the one we should hold on to, get rid of the rest. When Govt. decided to make profit from SOE where at the same time they are the one who create regulation then its just not right dont you think?

Scrutiny? Geeezzz relax man you starting to sound like internal auditor

 

[Logam42]

Well, if you consider that insulting when from the way I see it I was just talking to a friend then I got nothing to say. And thank you for the English lesson. Btw do we talk the same way when we talking to a friend then to a boss? I dont think so. Even my former American boss wouldnt mind.

So is it 'my boss doesn't mind me talking kike that' or 'I don't talk to my boss like that' you seem to muddle between these two very different points.

Eh, either way, its up to you to take my words seriously or not. You hv no tone in text, so your word choice is much more important than in speech.

Are we talking about PT.DI or SOE in general? PT.DI is considered strategic so no argument here.

Noted

Let me repeat it again. SOE who is not Strategic or doing/assigned to do Public Service Obligation, those are the one we should hold on to, get rid of the rest. When Govt. decided to make profit from SOE where at the same time they are the one who create regulation then its just not right dont you think?

Like here's the thing. This isn't even against you in particular, but I find that the definition of strategic & PSO to be very... flexible to the point it really doesn't hold any meaning. For example, you can argue krakatau steel & semen indonesia are still strategic since they supply building materials and Semen Indonesia even conducted PSO when they were ordered to lower their prices in 2015 by Jokowi, effectively forcing all their other competitors to lower prices and make construction more affordable for everyone.

To you, is Wika and Adhi karya strategic industry? Because its very easy to argue either way since they clearly hv served PSO in constructing infrastructure private players don't dare to touch, but operate in a sector that private players should be able to thrive in if not for SOEs having more capital, expertise, and access to gov projects.

As for the conflict of interest of having the gov set regulations of sectors SOEs work in, it really isn't all that different from letting elected officials set tax rates as well as set spending. Its just one out of many inherent conflicts of interests that need to be managed. If the gov is too pro-SOEs foreigners and local conglomerates simply won't invest.

It is very common in nations where the gov hv no SOEs for the private sector to abuse regulatory loopholes and lobby gov officials that the result is still uncompetitive business practice, suffering of consumers, and minimizing retention of created value within the host-nation.

 

[Gundala]

the definition of strategic & PSO to be very... flexible to the point it really doesn't hold any meaning

Thats where the regulation should play its part and make a clear distinction. PLN is consider to be strategic and doing PSO, on the other hand can we say the same thing to PT. Indonesia Power? They have subsidiary company that do power plant maintenance, batu bara trading (they have alot of PLTU), etc. Thats just one example of one SOE subsidiary, and we can all imagine why our private sector have slim chance to be part of it. They usually ended up being a sub contractor and have less margin. They wont dare to protest or even speak in media as it would be suicidal to their business. So yeah govt should give a "meaning" to it.

PT.PAL is strategic, but many years ago their subsidiary company drag them to red mark in their financial report. Do we consider their subsidiary as strategic as well? When we safe PT.PAL did we safe the strategic industry or those subsidiary?

To you, is Wika and Adhi karya strategic industry? Because its very easy to argue either way since they clearly hv served PSO in constructing infrastructure private players don't dare to touch, but operate in a sector that private players should be able to thrive in if not for SOEs having more capital, expertise, and access to gov projects

When they doing very low ROI project for govt then we can consider them doing PSO. And I dont think private sector can thrive in that kind of project without the same support as the SOE.

As for the conflict of interest of having the gov set regulations of sectors SOEs work in, it really isn't all that different from letting elected officials set tax rates as well as set spending.

You have bird eyeview of the current SOE condition. In reality when you talk to business man in real sector or doing it your self then you prolly would understand what Im talking about.

Below quote is the typical way of think of any SOE. Protected market by getting it from other SOE, there is not much need to compete right?

Silitonga mengakui bahwa IFG Life masih menjadi pemain baru di industri asuransi. Tetapi ia cukup optimis karena IFG Life memiliki target pasar yang cukup luas, mulai dari ekosistem BUMN dan masyarakat umum. “Bahkan tidak menutup kemungkinan IFG Life akan bermain di pasar Asean beberapa waktu mendatang,” ungkap Silitonga

https://www.idnfinancials.com/id/news/37369/ifg-life-ambition-largest-insurance-company

And dont tell me that Insurance is strategic or even doing PSO, its the other way around if we look at the Asuransi Jiwasraya news headline.

Anyway we derail too far here, this should be my last reply. We can continue to discuss this matter some other time.

 

[Nilgiri]

Interesting convo both ways...thanks guys.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Thats where the regulation should play its part and make a clear distinction. PLN is consider to be strategic and doing PSO, on the other hand can we say the same thing to PT. Indonesia Power? They have subsidiary company that do power plant maintenance, batu bara trading (they have alot of PLTU), etc. Thats just one example of one SOE subsidiary, and we can all imagine why our private sector have slim chance to be part of it. They usually ended up being a sub contractor and have less margin. They wont dare to protest or even speak in media as it would be suicidal to their business. So yeah govt should give a "meaning" to it.

PT.PAL is strategic, but many years ago their subsidiary company drag them to red mark in their financial report. Do we consider their subsidiary as strategic as well? When we safe PT.PAL did we safe the strategic industry or those subsidiary?


When they doing very low ROI project for govt then we can consider them doing PSO. And I dont think private sector can thrive in that kind of project without the same support as the SOE.

They way I see Indonesia SOE's is like a rotten tree standing on fertile soil. The only remedy for it is to take good seed from any of the fruit and planting it as a new tree. And obviously we need to burn down the old rotten tree down to its root.

On sidenote about PLN. I've already loss around 200GB of data due to PLN "dirty electricity" (square wave) And I live at downtown Surabaya here which was the largest city in the entire Nederlandsch-Indië, not at some rural part of Indonesia

 

[CountStrike]

N219 gets type certificate, PT DI prepares amphibious version - National - The Jakarta Post

State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) has obtained a type certificate for its N219 commuter aircraft after a series of test flights using two prototypes.

www.thejakartapost.com