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This F4?
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Will it be financed by UAE? Back then there is discussion about it. Or qatar was it?
Qatar finance F15
UAE finance Rafale
How about that?
 

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our rafale cheaper than indian though , I read some scandals in their aquisition process
 

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F4 batches should be more economical caused large order from UAE, France and finally Indonesia. Population is matter
 

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Dumbest defense commentator be like.

Seriously, a foreign policy is based on CAPABILITY, not on intention. You can be the most pacifist and kind nation on the planet, but if you cannot defend yourself, then you WILL get attacked, or subdued diplomatically at least. I think it's naive to say that being strong can ever be a bad thing, on extreme cases you see that countries who gave up their nukes always immediately got f*cked over by great powers (despite the rhetoric of "peaceful" nuclear non-proliferation). The reality is that reality itself is not a constant, you can shape reality, and it is always changing, and to shape reality and react to the changing situations, you need strength.
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wew F4
no wonder it will take so long (2nd buyer after 80fleet UAE)
Buy it all in batches will anticipate the latest hi-end technology...expected there will be F5 or F6 in the next 10 years, then we can ask for latest one ( assuming our robust financial at that time)
 

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F4 batches should be more economical caused large order from UAE, France and finally Indonesia. Population is matter
Cocoklogi sense:
UAE - Indo
Use Huawei,
Got Rejected F35 by the seller,
Buy rafale f4
 

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That's very true, the case of Indonesian Netherlands conflict over sovereignty of West Papua should be learning case for every of Indonesian leadership. True military strength had become our biggest bargaining chip in the negotiation table!!
"Supreme excellence consists of winning without fighting"

Honestly, in many ways in our history, lack of experience and skill really handicapped our military effectiveness, which is of my utmost concern since I started studying this stuff. But for some reason, by combining the bare minimum resources, that is the mere existence of our military (not even winning but merely surviving like in Sudirman's case), with skilled diplomacy on the negotiating table, somehow we won.

The aim of war is to attain a goal, and a battle is one way to achieve it, but not the only way. The Dutch bule they said they "won militarily" by the argument of body count, but there is no such as thing as a different kind of victory or defeat, victory is victory, defeat is defeat. Victory is when you attain your war goal, and their goal was to reconquer Indonesia, while our goal is to defend Indonesian independence, guess who succeeded and who failed? The same case with Papua, even when Operation Jayawijaya wasn't materialized, and it was won primarily through diplomacy, we won anyway, without a bloody battle.

Maybe our real talent is diplomacy, while the military is a part of that diplomatic struggle. Of course, we won't automatically become aggressive nor intend to trigger an arms race in the region by pursuing strong military capability. But at least it's like when you are at the negotiating table, having a strong military is like when you bring a big shotgun along while you are discussing diplomacy. You won't necessarily ever pull the trigger, might only be a bluff, but the other guy will surely see you as a serious business with it.
 

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I don't want to crush your bubbles but why in here it says we ordered F3R instead?which one is true?
 

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I don't want to crush your bubbles but why in here it says we ordered F3R instead?which one is true?
Janes itself still waiting for the confirmation from our MoD and Dassault Aviation. So, just wait for that confirmation
 

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