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Indonesia, India: negotiations to be brought to fruition quickly​


As Michel Cabirol points out on the subject, Dassault remains pragmatic. Thus, its current priorities concern the completion of two orders which must be signed quickly: the last 18 Indonesian Rafale , and the 26 Rafale M for the Indian Navy.

Rafale M Charles de Gaulle
The Rafale M was preferred to the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet by the Indian Navy to arm its new aircraft carrier, the INS Vikrant.

After a first order for 6 aircraft signed in February 2022, then a second tranche, for 18 fighters this time , made official last August, Dassault now only needs to confirm the third and final tranche, again of 18 Rafale , for conclude this contract for 42 aircraft for the Indonesian Air Force.

The specificities of Indonesia in this area, which can only commit to expenditure approved by Parliament, forced the French and Indonesian negotiators to break down the order into three tranches, depending on the financing authorizations granted by it. this. According to Dassault Aviation, the signing of the third tranche should take place soon, even if possible slippages for budgetary reasons are expected.

The second negotiation, in short final, led by the aircraft manufacturer and Team Rafale , concerns the 26 Rafale M which must be ordered by the Indian Navy by the end of January 2024, to respect the credit authorization granted by the Indian Parliament. These aircraft are to arm the new aircraft carrier INS Vikrant which entered service last year with the Indian Navy.

 
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Republikorp keen to house Subianto fighter jet fleet in air warfare centre​


Indonesian Minister of Defense Lieutenant General Prabowo Subianto during a tour of the Boeing F-15EX production line at Boeing's facility in St. Louis, Missouri, on 21 August 2023.
Indonesian Minister of Defense Lieutenant General Prabowo Subianto during a tour of the Boeing F-15EX production line at Boeing's facility in St. Louis, Missouri, on 21 August 2023. © Eric Shindelbower/Boeing/AFP

In the midst of his presidential campaign, Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto is already working out the future of the country's defence contracts if he wins the election on 14 February. [...]

Published on 01.12.2023 at 05:00 GMT Reading time 2 minutes

 

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Republikorp keen to house Subianto fighter jet fleet in air warfare centre​


Indonesian Minister of Defense Lieutenant General Prabowo Subianto during a tour of the Boeing F-15EX production line at Boeing's facility in St. Louis, Missouri, on 21 August 2023.'s facility in St. Louis, Missouri, on 21 August 2023.
Indonesian Minister of Defense Lieutenant General Prabowo Subianto during a tour of the Boeing F-15EX production line at Boeing's facility in St. Louis, Missouri, on 21 August 2023. © Eric Shindelbower/Boeing/AFP

In the midst of his presidential campaign, Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto is already working out the future of the country's defence contracts if he wins the election on 14 February. [...]

Published on 01.12.2023 at 05:00 GMT Reading time 2 minutes


Defence minister and presidential candidate for the 14 February elections, Prabowo Subianto, is, according to our information, keen to develop a vast air warfare centre (AWC). The goal is to bring all the country's latest air warfare acquisitions together to develop new military doctrines and jointly operate the air force's various aircraft. Given its location, Indonesia could find itself the first in line in the event of a conflict in the South China Sea.


The air warfare centre programme is borne by a French-Indonesian trio, led by Indonesian operator Republikorp. CEO Norman Joesoef comes from a prominent Jakarta family and is close to Subianto. Thanks to those ties, his company is increasingly serving as a local partner to foreign groups, mainly from France and South Korea, such as LIG Nex1. It also handles Indonesia's Czech connections, notably with Excalibur Army, which has been in talks with the defence minister (IO, 25/09/23).

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Republikorp is working with two partners on the project: arms export service provider Secamic, whose CEO Bertrand Lucereau is close to Dassault Aviation, and French businessman Habib Boukharouba's E-Systems Solutions. After working in Africa and the Middle East, Boukharouba became Subianto's adviser in 2022 (IO, 06/06/23).

While all acquisitions are on hold ahead of the elections, Jakarta could operate its ever-growing fleet of brand-new Rafales from Dassault within the air warfare centre. Subianto has signed off the acquisition of 42 aircraft. They could join the fleet of Russian Sukhoi Su-27s and Su-30s and US F-16s. If Subianto is elected, he will also finalise the acquisition of 24 F-15EXs from Boeing and a fleet of second-hand Mirage 2000s from the Qatar Emiri Air Force (IO, 12/06/23).
 

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F16 will be fully operated by Iswahjudi 3rd squadron then?
Or to build new squadron?
Untuk Skadron Udara 16 yang saat ini mengoperasikan F-16, nantinya juga akan diisi dengan Rafale. Sedangkan F-16 yang ada di skadron tersebut akan ditarik ke Lanud Iswahjudi untuk menambah kekuatan Skadron Udara 14 dan Skadron Udara 3.

They will join Skua 14 and 3, no new Skua.
 

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Possible TNI ORBAT 2030s

#Scenario 1, All Su-27/30 and Hawk successfully modernized and retained

12x Mirage 2000 Skadron 1​
29x Hawk 100/200 Skadron 12​
16x F-16 Skadron 16​
17x F-16 Skadron 3​
16x Su-27/30 Skadron 11​

36 F-15 ID could be divided into 2 squadron (18 each)

18x F-15ID Skadron 14 (IWD)​
18x F-15ID Skadron tbd​

The Rafale could be divided into 3 squadron (14 each)

14x Rafale Skadron tbd (new undetermined location, possibly in Eastern Indonesia)​
14x Rafale Skadron tbd​
14x Rafale Skadron tbd​

#Scenario 1.1 All Su-27/30 and Hawk successfully modernized and retained , different number of F-15 squadron

12x Mirage 2000 Skadron 1​
29x Hawk 100/200 Skadron 12​
16x F-16 Skadron 16​
17x F-16 Skadron 3​
16x Su-27/30 Skadron 11​

36 F-15 ID could be divided into 3 squadron (12 each)

12x F-15ID Skadron 14​
12x F-15ID Skadron tbd (new undetermined location, possibly in Eastern Indonesia)​
12x Rafale Skadron tbd (new undetermined location, possibly in IKN)​

The Rafale could be divided into 3 squadron (14 each)

14x Rafale Skadron tbd (new undetermined location, possibly in Eastern Indonesia)​
14x Rafale Skadron tbd​
14x Rafale Skadron tbd​


Scenario #2

Hawk, Su-27/30 and M2K-5 retired

16x F-16 Skadron 16​
17x F-16 Skadron 3​
18x F-15ID Skadron 14​
18x F-15ID Skadron 12​
14x Rafale Skadron 1​
14x Rafale Skadron 11​
14x Rafale Skadron tbd​

Scenario #3, Same with Scenario#2 but the air force decide that COIN airplane is useless and Skadron 21 coverted to fast jets

16x F-16 Skadron 16​
17x F-16 Skadron 3​
18x F-15ID Skadron 14​
18x F-15ID Skadron 12​
14x Rafale Skadron 1​
14x Rafale Skadron 11​
14x Rafale Skadron 21​
#Scenario #4, Same with Scenario #3 and Indonesia finally received its first batch of 12-16 KF-21, total 48 KF-21 divided into 3 squadron (16 each)

16x F-16 Skadron 16​
17x F-16 Skadron 3​
18x F-15ID Skadron 14​
18x F-15ID Skadron 12​
14x Rafale Skadron 1​
14x Rafale Skadron 11​
14x Rafale Skadron 21​
16x KF-21 Skadron tbd​
16x KF-21 Skadron tbd​
16x KF-21 Skadron tbd​
I think we need new squadron >>

  • Interceptor squadron for IKN
  • Aceh, facing Indian Ocean
  • Halim, facing South
  • Manado, facing Philippines
  • Papua, which has no fighter squadron based on the island
Time for an update lmao

edited part :
>>Rafale is 3 squadrons strong each likely 14 airframes (correct)
>>There will be no F-15EX for Skadron 14 (traditionally an interceptor sqn)
>> all Hawk retd
>> Mirage where ????

Possible TNI ORBAT 2030s

#Scenario 1, All Su-27/30 and Hawk successfully modernized and retained

12x Mirage 2000 Skadron (?)
16x F-16 Skadron 16
17x F-16 Skadron 14
16x Su-27/30 Skadron 11

36 F-15 ID could be divided into 2 squadron (18 each)

18x F-15ID Skadron tbd
18x F-15ID Skadron tbd

The Rafale could be divided into 3 squadron (14 each)

14x Rafale Skadron 1
14x Rafale Skadron 12
14x Rafale Skadron 16
 

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Untuk Skadron Udara 16 yang saat ini mengoperasikan F-16, nantinya juga akan diisi dengan Rafale. Sedangkan F-16 yang ada di skadron tersebut akan ditarik ke Lanud Iswahjudi untuk menambah kekuatan Skadron Udara 14 dan Skadron Udara 3.

They will join Skua 14 and 3, no new Skua.
Iswahjudi: Home of Falcons
 

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Time for an update lmao

edited part :
>>Rafale is 3 squadrons strong each likely 14 airframes (correct)
>>There will be no F-15EX for Skadron 14 (traditionally an interceptor sqn)
>> all Hawk retd
>> Mirage where ????

Possible TNI ORBAT 2030s

#Scenario 1, All Su-27/30 and Hawk successfully modernized and retained

12x Mirage 2000 Skadron (?)
16x F-16 Skadron 16
17x F-16 Skadron 14
16x Su-27/30 Skadron 11

36 F-15 ID could be divided into 2 squadron (18 each)

18x F-15ID Skadron tbd
18x F-15ID Skadron tbd

The Rafale could be divided into 3 squadron (14 each)

14x Rafale Skadron 1
14x Rafale Skadron 12
14x Rafale Skadron 16
Also, an indication that Mirage doesn't get through?
 

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I mean with the amount of money we're going to allocate for M2000s, I'm not that sad.
It would be good if the can divert it to something else, if not then it's just not "diserap".
 
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