Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

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It's not critic. It's compliments.

I'm talking about other people out there not you

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446352536009515010

 

[NEKO]

So where does Komcad fit in this picture? As a backup for Kodam? A reserve for "reserve" Kostrad or any other army units should the need arise? To organize civillian resistance in the probable scenario when most of our regular army units have been wiped out by the enemy?

Maybe they are a wild card, sometimes it is better to use them such as implementing health protocols PSBB, supporting the police when guarding protests, act as security enfoncer in DOM/conflict zone in populated area etc when it is a bit sensitive and can cause critics, basically TNI just can say that its not a regular unit and it is just "civilian" when there is some problems. Or can be deployed overseas like during konfrontasi etc as full fledged combat forces or "militia" this will allow us to have some boots on the ground while also still give us some room to maneuver on the negotiation table.

When TNI being deployed to help tackle the pandemic there is always people protesting it, but what will happen if its komcad?

 

[FPXAllen]

Maybe they are a wild card, sometimes it is better to use them such as implementing health protocols PSBB, supporting the police when guarding protests, act as security enfoncer in DOM/conflict zone in populated area etc when it is a bit sensitive and can cause critics, basically TNI just can say that its not a regular unit and it is just "civilian" when there is some problems. Or can be deployed overseas like during konfrontasi etc as full fledged combat forces or "militia" this will allow us to have some boots on the ground while also still give us some room to maneuver on the negotiation table.

When TNI being deployed to help tackle the pandemic there is always people protesting it, but what will happen if its komcad?

Ah, "Plausible deniability".

Makes sense though, because for better or worse, there's still a need for such force to exist in our country.

Well, as long as we remain steadfast with our democratic progresses, our government and military won't be so quick to deploy such force to be used against something that's still within the police's juridiction and ability to handle.

That's what I hope, at least.

 

[NEKO]

Ah, "Plausible deniability".

Makes sense though, because for better or worse, there's still a need for such force to exist in our country.

Well, as long as we remain steadfast with our democratic progresses, our government and military won't be so quick to deploy such force to be used against something that's still within the police's juridiction and ability to handle.

That's what I hope, at least.

I mean didn't we got involved in Brunei revolt in the past? Also there is konfrontasi with Malaysia, but is not a direct open conflict more like ninja style.

"Off duty komcad fighting in friendly neighbouring countries to liberate it from the invaders" vs "TNI to be deployed to help friendly country against invaders" both have its own ups and downs.

 

[FPXAllen]

I mean didn't we got involved in Brunei revolt in the past? Also there is konfrontasi with Malaysia, but is not a direct open conflict more like ninja style.

"Off duty komcad fighting in friendly neighbouring countries to liberate it from the invaders" vs "TNI to be deployed to help friendly country against invaders" both have its own ups and downs.

The keyword here is "in the past" when we were still being led by an authoritarian figure, continued by another authoritarian + militaristic one for much of our nation's history. It won't be as straighforward and aggressive today since we've become what we are now.

Of course, if we take the - supposedly - "beacon of democracy" of the good-ol USA, their government and military are still able to manipulate some, if not most, of their citizens to support their wars no matter if those wars are justified or not. But the point remains: for us it still won't be as easy as we were until few decades ago.

In present times and in foreseeable future, in the unlikely scenario like Malaysia betrayed FPDA and choose to align with China, or if QUAD + AUKUS + FPDA decide that they want to mess with us, to name a few examples, then yes, Komcad can really come in handy.

 

[JATOSINT]

When TNI being deployed to help tackle the pandemic there is always people protesting it, but what will happen if its komcad?

'You know who' already use the 'menciptakan konflik horizontal/pam swakarsa' argument

 

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446449524570931200

 

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447396749149048833

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447396749149048833

TNI ammunition that fall to the terrorist.

 

[JATOSINT]

TNI ammunition that fall to the terrorist.

Hmm AD's press release stated that the ammunition was handed over by warga'

 

[schuimpjes]

if not most, of their citizens to support their wars no matter if those wars are justified or not.

The Soviet backed anti-war movements, mainly the New Left, were the one that anti-war back in the Cold War, Soviet love their anti-war stance. Politically active Hippies, the Yippies, university students that adopted Noam Chomsky's and others like minded ideas, etc, would critics any US involvement in war or intervention around the world.

Doesn't mean that they were always wrong tho, some of the issues that they brought also good for freedom, but their ideas of economic nationalization for the sake to make this world classless – no Bourgeoise (pemilik modal) and all people all are in the same class. In order to make that, all means of production are bellow the state, and if wanna produce or doing business, all the workers are have to be the owners too, like koperasi, this was after the perestroika – are also blocks the freedom of the people that wanna make their own business and grow their ideas by doing business aka block the economic liberalization are so bad. All of that for the sake of their own idealism, not some extraordinary measures in extraordinary times. Dahlah, baik ditengah aja lah, entah center-right or center-left, take anything that are good and more pragmatic aka less dogmatic.

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Madokafc]

 

[schuimpjes]

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Hmm... lovely M-LOK SS-2. Would be nice if all of the grunts equip with it. Ditch the ACOG and put DVO or alike!!!

*quite premature no? I know wkwk

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Hmm AD's press release stated that the ammunition was handed over by warga'

.45 ACP, and still preserved in good condition.

Persumably post WW2 munnition in M1911 gun. Wich, CMMIW am afraid from looting a Police Station back then.

Dunno how can it handed over to civillian. And you correct about the company who made the ammo, they still operated today.

 

[schuimpjes]

.45 ACP, and still preserved in good condition.

Persumably post WW2 munnition in M1911 gun. Wich, CMMIW am afraid from looting a Police Station back then.

Dunno how can it handed over to civillian. And you correct about the company who made the ammo, they still operated today.

I think, that munitions were from 90s or 2000s at least. Most likely, bought from US civilian market, imported by people/business entities in countries with more loose gun restrictions.

CMIIW

 

[FPXAllen]

The Soviet backed New Lefties were the one that anti-war back in the Cold War. Politically active Hippies, the Yippies, university students that adopted Noam Chomsky's and others like minded ideas, etc, would critics any US involvement in war or intervention around the world.

Doesn't mean that they were always wrong tho, some of the issues that they brought also good for freedom, but their ideas of economic nationalization for the sake to make this world classless – no Bourgeoise (pemilik modal) and all people all are in the same class. In order to make that, all means of production are bellow the state, and if wanna produce or doing business, all the workers are have to be the owners too, like koperasi, this was after the perestroika – are also blocks the freedom of the people that wanna make their own business and grow their ideas by doing business aka block the economic liberalization are so bad. All of that for the sake of their own idealism, not some extraordinary measures in extraordinary times. Dahlah, baik ditengah aja lah, entah center-right or center-left, take anything that are good and more pragmatic aka less dogmatic.

My reply was meant to illustrate that even in a democratic country, the government, military (and in US case, their industry / defense conglomerates) can and will find ways to manipulate the public. They can do this by either misleading the media, or even use and include the media companies as an active and integral part of their schemes.

But even though it's like that, as long as that country doesn't fall into a repressive and authoritarian form of government, there are still chances for the ones who don't agree with the government to make themselves heard, to provide "control" in the form of other, valid, perspectives for the masses. We can easily find major media, studies, discussions, opinions etc, that are fully against their government's schemes to wage wars as easily as major media, studies, discussions, opinions etc, that give their full support to those schemes.

This is what I meant with:

It won't be as straighforward and aggressive today since we've become what we are now.

and:

But the point remains: for us it still won't be as easy as we were until few decades ago.

Compared to China, or Indonesia pre-1998, this "control" simply doesn't exist there. Therefore it's much easier for these kind of government to manipulate the will of their people and acted as if they're a monolithic entity: where the will of the government is always the will of the whole of their populace.

Good luck trying to find opposing voices and other perspectives to counter the official government stances or 'policies' from within these kind of countries.

 

[schuimpjes]

My reply was meant to illustrate that even in a democratic country, the government, military (and in US case, their industry / defense conglomerates) can and will find ways to manipulate the public. They can do this by either misleading the media, or even use and include the media companies as an active and integral part of their schemes.

This one were popular during the Operation Iraqi Freedom. Many US medias were in the trench of those who support the intervention. But, after they intervened, the alleged weapon of mass destruction that used by the Saddam were not founded. But still, Saddam for sure used gas before. How US knew? Easy, they backed Saddam during Iran-Iraq War and for sure they were closely watched what were going on then. And Saddam was also allegedly used gas to massacred the Kurdish that also exist in Iraq in the north.

About where the gas after the 2003, conservative leaning Ion Mihai Pacepa talked about possible Operation Sarindar like operation was also used in Iraq. He was quite interesting, he was wrote a book with Democratic aligned Woolsey before he died, looks like he became more non-partisan before he died.

For me, whatever, at least that guy that created unstability in Middle East was ousted.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

I think, that munitions were from 90s or 2000s at least. Most likely, bought from US civilian market, imported by people/business entities in countries with more loose gun restrictions.

CMIIW

Make sense, scurity guard probably need some for job. Especially in mining area.

Importing non NATO standard munition has less restriction, ie for sporting or hunting.