Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Van Kravchenko]

$22 mil apiece

With that price it's hi possibility to get Thropy APS.

But well, K2 Is good tho

 

[Parry Brima]

Wikipedia data:
K1A2: 6 billion won = 4.5 million USD

That's the upgrade cost from K1A1, no?

It seems that even the Koreans haven't bought brand new K1A2 tanks yet.

 

[Madokafc]

Why bother with the so called mini Abram when you can get steroid Abram in A3 SEP version.

 

[Umigami]

Nah its l55,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600081385439432706

K2 arrived at Poland. what are the boxy panel on the edge of the turret? Aps radar?


Just realized its cheaper, more than half price of Qatari leos

I said K1A2

 

[Gary]

FYI, Poland is retiring their Leo 2A5/PL once all Abrams and K-2s enter service. Maybe make a deal where we buy those ? Thereby streamlining our MBT models instead of introducing a whole new model ?

 

[Var Dracon]

IMO - definitely, certainly, undeniably there is a kickback involved. same goes for Indonesia's Leo's.
E.g. Singapore's Leo's (highly upgraded and enhanced former BW models) cost less then $6 million a piece. (estimates for Singapore's own enhancement efforts account to around 0.5 -1,5 million a piece, the Leo 2SG). And they are going to or already acquired some Leo 2A7's.

BTW a Leo2A7 cost's around $20-22 million.

As for a Bayraktar TB2 I am not sure, but it is around $5 million - excluding weapons and guidance control units.

AFAIK Indonesia did not. - you are citing figures of an initial deal to purchase 2nd hand Leo2A4's and Marder 1A3's in 2012 after abandoning the Netherlands deal.
Another figure in that deal was (Budget 2) US$ 280 million and later revised to US$ 320 million for the MBT Revolution - Rheinmetall Defence’s modular upgrade package for urban warfare. Not including upgrade packages for the Marder and opts-electronics, coms, etc. for the Leo.

The actual price for the 2nd hand Leo 2A4's and Marder's is not publicly available. However the (budget 1) of the initially indented purchase of Leo2A6 would have only allowed for 44 units. Take that volume 44 x $6+ million a piece and you will sum up around a $280 million budget for the purchase costs of those 2nd hand non-upgraded Leo 2A4 tanks and Marder's. How much of these (Budget 1) $280 million were actually spend, only the Indonesian government and Rheinmetall would know.

But I do know them personally and the names of the 4 main people from Rheinmetall/KMW involved in these negotiations.

I'm quoting Jagdflieger's post. AFAIK if an MBT has a price of less than 7 million USD (below the price of our medium tank), that means they're upgraded from second-hand stock, not newly built.
Even in the Wikipedia talk page, there's a debate about the price, since what they're quoted may not be true.

2A7 cost $22 mil apiece? Dayum.

Wikipedia data:
K1A2: 6 billion won = 4.5 million USD

 

[chiphocks]

Abrams M1A2 SEPV3 seems to be the cheaper option at about $6 mil per tank (2017 deal for US Army, CMIIW).

i think the operational cost is to high knowing it have a gas turbine engine

 

[Umigami]

i think the operational cost is to high knowing it have a gas turbine engine

According to Internet tank Jesus himself the difference between diesel and turbine fuel consumption is negligible now days.

 

[Parry Brima]

This is kinda surprising.

"GDLS, the prime Abrams manufacturer, will deliver 250 M1A2 System Enhancement Program version 3 (SEPv3) Abrams tanks to the Polish army under a $1.15 billion contract"

The most advanced US Army tanks only cost $4.6 mil apiece?

Or is it because Poland donates hundreds of T-72 to Ukraine?

Poland to receive 250 advanced Abrams tanks under $1 billion contract - Breaking Defense

The award caps off a year-long effort by Poland to sign a contract for the newest version of the Abrams tank, an effort that began as Russia amassed troops on Ukraine's border.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Lordimperator]

This is kinda surprising.

"GDLS, the prime Abrams manufacturer, will deliver 250 M1A2 System Enhancement Program version 3 (SEPv3) Abrams tanks to the Polish army under a $1.15 billion contract"

The most advanced US Army tanks only cost $4.6 mil apiece?

Or is it because Poland donates hundreds of T-72 to Ukraine?

Poland to receive 250 advanced Abrams tanks under $1 billion contract - Breaking Defense

The award caps off a year-long effort by Poland to sign a contract for the newest version of the Abrams tank, an effort that began as Russia amassed troops on Ukraine's border.

breakingdefense.com

The latter i suppose

 

[Umigami]

I'm quoting Jagdflieger's post. AFAIK if an MBT has a price of less than 7 million USD (below the price of our medium tank), that means they're upgraded from second-hand stock, not newly built.
Even in the Wikipedia talk page, there's a debate about the price, since what they're quoted may not be true.

well, If Harimau is the most economic solution then...

 

[Lordimperator]

well, If Harimau is the most economic solution then...
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More harimau order to be build in Pindad please...

 

[wahyu845]

Wikipedia data:
K1A2: 6 billion won = 4.5 million USD

the K1A2 is only $4.5 billion cheaper than HARIMAU/KAPLAN MT the $7 billion each

 

[R4duga]

well, If Harimau is the most economic solution then...
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should have used the latest hitfact mk2

Hitfact-MKII

electronics.leonardo.com

 

[Umigami]

the K1A2 is only $4.5 billion cheaper than HARIMAU/KAPLAN MT the $7 billion each

read again our discussion above, we suspect that wasn't brand new unit price.

 

[Umigami]

should have used the latest hitfact mk2
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Hitfact-MKII

electronics.leonardo.com

I don't know which one is the newest. And Kaplan's boxy looks make that one I used more suitable artistically.

although my edit doesn't looks artistic at all

 

[Van Kravchenko]

should have used the latest hitfact mk2
View attachment 51194

Hitfact-MKII

electronics.leonardo.com

ask SoKor to put K2A1 turret on Kaplan, adjust turret ring and viola.

You got weird unused franken tank

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600790310652559361

Where we get our 155 ?

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600790310652559361

Where we get our 155 ?

Usually from France

 

[Madokafc]

We ever got French, US and Yugoslavia Made 120 mm mortar?