Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Ravager]

where are they going to assemble ?? Malaysia??

they're only means of transport is still by sea, and by having to transverse those body of water meant their army will be very dependent on transport ships, the PLA doesn't have many transport ships to begin with and what they have will be geared for any Taiwan contingency, how much man and armor could they lift in one go???

let's say, just losing 1/4th of their transport ship could be catastrophic, along with the men and material transported with it, the distance between mainland CN to ID is further than the distance between CN and TWN that will add to their headache.

look around you, none of the major player in the Pacific cared much about growing their tank fleet, not the US with the US Marines or the US army stationed in Japan, not Taiwan, not Japan. all of the mentioned are gearing for precision weapons (and many geared towards ship killing) , because they know China's sheer numerical advantage will be cancelled immediately if they could not crosses the body of water separating them with their neighbors and their Navy decimated.

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even Taiwan, which had been authorized to buy M1 Abrams decided not to go for it. with the limited money they got, they preferred more Harpoons instead.

here's some materials that you might be interested in.

Tightening the Chain: Implementing a Strategy of Maritime Pressure in the Western Pacific | CSBA

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csbaonline.org

Seizing on Weakness: Allied Strategy for Competing With China’s Globalizing Military | CSBA

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csbaonline.org

Never say never ..... Just like a condom . Better have it then not need it compared to opposite .
Look dude .... I agree with you wholeheartedly but we are not the one making the decision here ....
Every option and decision has it's own consequences there ... If the top brass think the armored threat are real and imminent what argues could i make otherwise ?? The way i see it top brass have already make a very concerning grimm calculation there . The scenario along is we would have to depend our self for a while until some substansial help come to our aid and made a differences . Somewhere along the PLA could thrust inland unabated even with all the deterrent element you've been mentioned above and even the choked point static sea wall lines if ever presented . And honestly ?? There is no way we could opposed the PLAN thrust should they ever commited for goung rogue with our present and upcoming ( signed contract yet not have been effective due financing issues ) inventory...

Should this scenario ever be realized ?? God forbid i hope is not ... But , the flash breaking point is only a matter of time . How the matter fan's out ?? There where the analysis and intels should talks ...

 

[Madokafc]

Why some of us doesn't take a look why TNI giving much priority toward expeditionary forces type unit? It is not about us trying to fight on our land, but prepared for any threat the "region" can throwing at us. The key word is fighting with allies, aboard and neuter the threat before reach our soil.

It seems farfetched from now on, but they are very eager to have a very capable warfighting brigade who can be mobilized to cope any challenge in the region

 

[Jaka45]

Why some of us doesn't take a look why TNI giving much priority toward expeditionary forces type unit? It is not about us trying to fight on our land, but prepared for any threat the "region" can throwing at us. The key word is fighting with allies, aboard and neuter the threat before reach our soil.

It seems farfetched from now on, but they are very eager to have a very capable warfighting brigade who can be mobilized to cope any challenge in the region

This is exactly what i have in mind, i think the top brass of TNI already thinking about creating a possible expeditionary forces to help our allies in case china went insane.

Mind you if there is 1 place china would definitely try to invade in case of total war broke out, it's mainland ASEAN.
So there is a possiblity of deploying TNI expeditionary forces in Mainland ASEAN

We should expect any kind of possible scenario no matter how far fetched it maybe look like right now, and if we want our allies to help us, we must also put commitment to help them too.

 

[Ravager]

This is exactly what i have in mind, i think the top brass of TNI already thinking about creating a possible expeditionary forces to help our allies in case china went insane.

Mind you if there is 1 place china would definitely try to invade in case of total war broke out, it's mainland ASEAN.
So there is a possiblity of deploying TNI expeditionary forces in Mainland ASEAN

We should expect any kind of possible scenario no matter how far fetched it maybe look like right now, and if we want our allies to help us, we must also put commitment to help them too.

And to be honest ... My affromentioned scenarios were allready the worst contigency scenario should ever happened to us . And there is nothing more appropriated for an archipelagic nation like us than a mobile hammer and anvil ( hopely the bigger it is in the year to come tho' ) . And between fully equipped marines and para regime/ there is no substitutes but a complimentary to each other . Still feel sorry for the marines tho'

 

[Madokafc]

And to be honest ... My affromentioned scenarios were allready the worst contigency scenario should ever happened to us . And there is nothing more appropriated for an archipelagic nation like us than a mobile hammer and anvil ( hopely the bigger it is in the year to come tho' ) . And between fully equipped marines and para regime/ there is no substitutes but a complimentary to each other . Still feel sorry for the marines tho'

Marine just got sidelined it is as there is a lot of bigger wish list come from the Fleets command, they know that

 

[Ravager]

Marine just got sidelined it is as there is a lot of bigger wish list come from the Fleets command, they know that

What could i say .... i wished a lot for marines empowerment but surely money doesn't just grow on trees . Hopely they get some reprieves after the fleets requirement get alleviated to an extent .

 

[trishna_amrta]

Well yes but the priority is different.

We will need more ground assets to be stationed in Kalimantan to compensate little natural defense there, the geography there is not that mountainous like our other big island.

Little natural defence Either you don't have the slightest clue of map / chart reading, or you don't know the operational limit of force deployment particularly that of logistic and the concept of Loss of Strength Gradient

 

[trishna_amrta]

The way i see it top brass have already make a very concerning grimm calculation there . The scenario along is we would have to depend our self for a while until some substansial help come to our aid and made a differences . Somewhere along the PLA could thrust inland unabated even with all the deterrent element you've been mentioned above and even the choked point static sea wall lines if ever presented . And honestly ?? There is no way we could opposed the PLAN thrust should they ever commited for goung rogue with our present and upcoming ( signed contract yet not have been effective due financing issues ) inventory...

As I recall, I had mention something about the 3 years timeline. But rest assure, for warfighting in 21st century is also fought in cyberspace, of which the power distribution will most likely get hit first

 

[Anmdt]

As I recall, I had mention something about the 3 years timeline. But rest assure, for warfighting in 21st century is also fought in cyberspace, of which the power distribution will most likely get hit first

+ Internet and communication infrastructure.

 

[Ravager]

As I recall, I had mention something about the 3 years timeline. But rest assure, for warfighting in 21st century is also fought in cyberspace, of which the power distribution will most likely get hit first

+ Internet and communication infrastructure.

Gradual escalation ...... hit your enemy at their weakest .

 

[Parry Brima]

where are they going to assemble ?? Malaysia??

they're only means of transport is still by sea, and by having to transverse those body of water meant their army will be very dependent on transport ships, the PLA doesn't have many transport ships to begin with and what they have will be geared for any Taiwan contingency, how much man and armor could they lift in one go???

let's say, just losing 1/4th of their transport ship could be catastrophic, along with the men and material transported with it, the distance between mainland CN to ID is further than the distance between CN and TWN that will add to their headache.

look around you, none of the major player in the Pacific cared much about growing their tank fleet, not the US with the US Marines or the US army stationed in Japan, not Taiwan, not Japan. all of the mentioned are gearing for precision weapons (and many geared towards ship killing) , because they know China's sheer numerical advantage will be cancelled immediately if they could not crosses the body of water separating them with their neighbors and their Navy decimated.

U.S. Army Flexes New Land-based, Anti-Ship Capabilities | Aviation Week Network

Faced with a rapidly growing Chinese Navy, the U.S. Army is seeking to adapt a land-based targeting system for a maritime strike role.

aviationweek.com

The Marines' New Unmanned Ship Killing Missile Launcher Truck Breaks Cover

Naval Strike Missiles fired from unmanned launcher vehicles are important components of new distributed concepts of operations the Marines are developing.

www.thedrive.com

Japan's ATLA Developing Hypersonic Anti-Ship Missile - Naval News

Japan's Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA) started developing a hypersonic guided missile able to attack both ships or ground targets. The missile, qualified as "game changer" by the Japanese Ministry of Defense's agency, will use scramjet engine technology for propulsion.

www.navalnews.com

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even Taiwan, which had been authorized to buy M1 Abrams decided not to go for it. with the limited money they got, they preferred more Harpoons instead.

here's some materials that you might be interested in.

Tightening the Chain: Implementing a Strategy of Maritime Pressure in the Western Pacific | CSBA

CSBA is an independent, non-partisan policy research institute established to promote innovative thinking and debate about national security strategy and investment options.

csbaonline.org

Seizing on Weakness: Allied Strategy for Competing With China’s Globalizing Military | CSBA

CSBA is an independent, non-partisan policy research institute established to promote innovative thinking and debate about national security strategy and investment options.

csbaonline.org

I agree with you. Waiting for the PLA in Kalimantan means giving them as much time as they need not just to land and assemble troops but also to strenghten and establish their existence in their full glory in Malasya. I prefer we work together with Malasyia to hammer them on their beach/sea.

 

[Ravager]

I agree with you. Waiting for the PLA in Kalimantan means giving them as much time as they need not just to land and assemble troops but also to strenghten and establish their existence in their full glory in Malasya. I prefer we work together with Malasyia to hammer them on their beach/sea.

Do you honestly believe that even if with the combined might of Asean navies we could hold the PLAN advancing moves to a standstill ?? Really ..... ??

 

[Parry Brima]

Do you honestly believe that even if with the combined might of Asean navies we could hold the PLAN advancing moves to a standstill ?? Really ..... ??

Considering the alternative, yeah I'd take our chances. Letting them establish much stronger base in Malasyia will be worse.

 

[Captain Wales]

do we need to introduce some sort of strike brigade / combat brigade on kostrad?
instead of deploying on division level we deploy them on brigade level.

on brigade level we put something like:
3 infantry battalion
1 engineer battalion
1 cavalry battalion
1 artillery battalion
1 logistic battalion
and additional support element

the advantage of that is we can deploy them faster and the logistic burden is not hard as supporting whole division.
we also can upscale/downscale those brigade following mission requirement, i.e. combine 2-3 brigade to form 1 division.
.
.
example: we can deploy combat brigade first to frontline and hold ground (maybe 1 weeks?) while waiting for our division ready to assemble and arrive onsite.

even tough, that sort of thing are handle on kodam level while waiting for kostrad to arrive (in the scenario that they manage to land on indonesia)

 

[Ravager]

Considering the alternative, yeah I'd take our chances. Letting them establish much stronger base in Malasyia will be worse.

Well , i commended you on your optimisme then ....

do we need to introduce some sort of strike brigade / combat brigade on kostrad?
instead of deploying on division level we deploy them on brigade level.

on brigade level we put something like:
3 infantry battalion
1 engineer battalion
1 cavalry battalion
1 artillery battalion
1 logistic battalion
and additional support element

the advantage of that is we can deploy them faster and the logistic burden is not hard as supporting whole division.
we also can upscale/downscale those brigade following mission requirement, i.e. combine 2-3 brigade to form 1 division.
.
.
example: we can deploy combat brigade first to frontline and hold ground (maybe 1 weeks?) while waiting for our division ready to assemble and arrive onsite.

even tough, that sort of thing are handle on kodam level while waiting for kostrad to arrive (in the scenario that they manage to land on indonesia)

We've allready in process to emulate that . And part for the supposedly newer leopard and other is to fulfill the said process requirement .

 

[trishna_amrta]

+ Internet and communication infrastructure.

Telecommunication breakdown will happen as a direct result of power being cut off. Cell phone tower only have at most 36 hours worth of fuel reserve for their backup generator. And without internet (TCP/IP based telecommunication) both fuel & agricultural produces suppliers will not know where & when to send their products. That still doesn't count fresh water supply that will also stop because they will be cut of power line and running out of fuel for their backup generator (IF they even have one). It will be worse for financial services because they will be unable to process any transaction due to their reliance in 3G network

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Little natural defence Either you don't have the slightest clue of map / chart reading, or you don't know the operational limit of force deployment particularly that of logistic and the concept of Loss of Strength Gradient

There is so much aspect could affect the outcome of war. Wether it's directly connected with warfare aspect or not directly.

There's always technical issue to be encounter, nor a slight little conditions that can be exploited.

Jungle warfare or guerrila warfare prove to be complicated and more troublesome to encounter. US has much experience in this kind of warfare since Pacific teather and Vietnam War.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1403676196705947652

 

[trishna_amrta]

Jungle warfare or guerrila warfare prove to be complicated and more troublesome to encounter. US has much experience in this kind of warfare since Pacific teather and Vietnam War.

In the event of open hostility against , I actually felt safer if I'm somewhere deep in Borneo jungle, alongside my comrades. We do learn a lot from 1963 Kalabakan

 

[Madokafc]

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