Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Ravager]

Rhm APS is good, but still its passively faced at one side only.

Even KMW choose Tropy APS to be installed at newest Leopard A7+ due to its fully active and high angle of coverage.

Imho, Such Pulat or Zaslon didn't give much prevention againts Kinetics Energy Penetrator

Everything has to start from something . Rather than spend thousand hours of research and wasted lot of $$ . Turkey take the pragmatic approaches and find a technological mature JV partnership in the hand of desperate Ukranian . And boy .... I wished our leaders has the turkish sensibility too . Without the Ukranian greeds the mainland would take at least 2 more decades of desperate efforts and massive of $$$ to go where they stand today in the military techs achievement .

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

aach thanks. So its work by shooting out shrapnel. It's seem the Rheinmetall APS still remain the most advance (based from their operating principle)

In fact, Akkor, which was developed for Altay, is the most advanced in terms of the way it works, but it is impossible for Indonesia to pay for such a light tank.

 

[Madokafc]

I feel PINDAD should strife for automation production line

Btw, those Badak should replace those Ferret. At least their modern optic and radio set would be better for recce task

Credits to be for original poster in FB

 

[trishna_amrta]

I feel PINDAD should strife for automation production line

Do you want to create more unemployment or something

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Everything has to start from something . Rather than spend thousand hours of research and wasted lot of $$ . Turkey take the pragmatic approaches and find a technological mature JV partnership in the hand of desperate Ukranian . And boy .... I wished our leaders has the turkish sensibility too . Without the Ukranian greeds the mainland would take at least 2 more decades of desperate efforts and massive of $$$ to go where they stand today in the military techs achievement .

The door of Joint Venture is always open and always give a benefit to make a huge leap of technology.
Not to mention, both Medium Tank, and Fighter program can give a huge leap in tech leap and mastery.

Ironically, Although the human resources considerably quallified and adequate to master such new tech leap, the bureocrat, and rule maker have little to none commitmend to do such long time Joint Venture programm.

 

[Madokafc]

The door of Joint Venture is always open and always give a benefit to make a huge leap of technology.
Not to mention, both Medium Tank, and Fighter program can give a huge leap in tech leap and mastery.

Ironically, Although the human resources considerably quallified and adequate to master such new tech leap, the bureocrat, and rule maker have little to none commitmend to do such long time Joint Venture programm.

Err, human resource package in old established SoE? Qualified and adequate?

Some maybe... But they are oknum compared to the majority

 

[Parry Brima]

Looks like AD aiming for the Blackhawk, they still have the pending budget for 5 Mi which hasnt been execute, maybe they (kemhan) willing to realocate those Mi budget with some additional extra budget for Blackhawk? We'll see...

Considering that the US Army operate a huge number of Black Hawks. If we want to save money for something else, we probably can get plenty of US Army second hand units. They want to bring the next gen vertical lift helo by 2030.

Btw, the US Army last order seems to be in 2014 where they signed a deal for 64 Black Hawk. Still relatively "not-old" stuff.

 

[Gundala]

Considering that the US Army operate a huge number of Black Hawks. If we want to save money for something else, we probably can get plenty of US Army second hand units. They want to bring the next gen vertical lift helo by 2030.

Btw, the US Army last order seems to be in 2014 where they signed a deal for 64 Black Hawk. Still relatively "not-old" stuff.

Im not a fans of used air-frame. The percentage of increase yearly budget of TNI wont be able to support rather "costly" used stuff future maintenance, they are having a problem maintaining the current assets as for now. Not to mention the possibility of budget cut from govt. This is where I like purchasing brand new US air frame products both rotary or jet, they can be attached with service contract agreemant via DCS (Direct Commercial Sales) that will surely secure future maintenance cost. But surely this kinda of thing will make some oknum melotot lapaknya diserobot

 

[Ravager]

Do you want to create more unemployment or something

Wkk .... Oh how much sarcasm could be summed up in such a simple sentences ....

The door of Joint Venture is always open and always give a benefit to make a huge leap of technology.
Not to mention, both Medium Tank, and Fighter program can give a huge leap in tech leap and mastery.

Ironically, Although the human resources considerably quallified and adequate to master such new tech leap, the bureocrat, and rule maker have little to none commitmend to do such long time Joint Venture programm.

@Mado comment below has answered your very question . Compounded with a corrupted mentality . It's a litle wonder on why we are stucked in these damnable situation ..

Err, human resource package in old established SoE? Qualified and adequate?

Some maybe... But they are oknum compared to the majority

 

[Madokafc]

Wkk .... Oh how much sarcasm could be summed up in such a simple sentences ....



@Mado comment below has answered your very question . Compounded with a corrupted mentality . It's a litle wonder on why we are stucked in these damnable situation ..

You can just look at how PT PINDAD doing selection for their in house CIWS, tonnes of foreign product with small number and till now there is no end

If it is up to me as decision maker, i am prefer to use PT RESPATI solution and Made them as one of local supplier of RCWS for PT PINDAD and asking for batches of product while doing research for more better products along with end user input. The other thing is to strife for automation production line facilities for munition divition, firearm Division and special vehicles Division. There is lot of thing they can do with automation production line, including taking jobs from civillian market

Btw the more bigger Indonesian stature (economy and military ambition) the more our human resource pool actually hinder us to progressing more. The guy who Made opinion about Maestrale class on media is actually fine example of even the user top Brass got idea about "modernization", no wonder our jargon about world class armed Forces is mostly a fart since long time.

 

[schuimpjes]

@Mado comment below has answered your very question . Compounded with a corrupted mentality . It's a litle wonder on why we are stucked in these damnable situation ..

Put defense SOEs for IPO. Once they are go to the stock market, transparency is something needed, if not investors will not buy their stocks.

 

[Madokafc]

Put defense SOEs for IPO. Once they are go to the stock market, transparency is something needed, if not investors will not buy their stocks.

They would resist on many reason

 

[schuimpjes]

They would resist on many reason

Just rid the people that resist that.

 

[Ravager]

You can just look at how PT PINDAD doing selection for their in house CIWS, tonnes of foreign product with small number and till now there is no end

If it is up to me as decision maker, i am prefer to use PT RESPATI solution and Made them as one of local supplier of RCWS for PT PINDAD and asking for batches of product while doing research for more better products along with end user input. The other thing is to strife for automation production line facilities for munition divition, firearm Division and special vehicles Division. There is lot of thing they can do with automation production line, including taking jobs from civillian market

Btw the more bigger Indonesian stature (economy and military ambition) the more our human resource pool actually hinder us to progressing more. The guy who Made opinion about Maestrale class on media is actually fine example of even the user top Brass got idea about "modernization", no wonder our jargon about world class armed Forces is mostly a fart since long time.

Hear ...hear .... I feel you there . I feel you . But what we could do ?? Our Defence sectors are too plagued by ticks , mices and cockroach even till today . When an enemy was literally allready in front of our door step .... Sigh .

Put defense SOEs for IPO. Once they are go to the stock market, transparency is something needed, if not investors will not buy their stocks.

And again @Mado beat me to a punch .

Just rid the people that resist that.

Did jokowi has that massive balls today ?? I don't think so .... Compounds that with his lack of depth in the arms procurement matters it's a small wonder why he get tricked/hoodwinked all the time by even his most trusted branch procurement office .... even Bakamla dare too hoodwinked him too . It's kind of ironic to think the Army procurement process were the cleanest today ...
@Madokafc i know you have some more in depth knowledge about that hush-hush ....

 

[Parry Brima]

like this

I suppose it's a lot cheaper than this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1409363766324703233

 

[wekiweko]

It really goes full cycle, the incompetence of domestic industry combined with the incompetence with those drafting the requirements combined with "ganti pejabat ganti kebijakan" thingy combined with sales driven planning. Perhaps we need to consider applying stoning as the penalty of those involved wkwkwkwk

 

[FPXAllen]

Imho, Such Pulat or Zaslon didn't give much prevention againts Kinetics Energy Penetrator

While they won't be able to deflect KE penetrator completely off target, but depending on the detection accuracy and reaction time, these systems might still be able to disrupt the penetrator's flight path slightly - just enough to make the penetrator lose its optimum impact angle.

What I don't like about these systems is the protruding "snoot" which may affect the mobility of the vehicles they installed on in the tight spaces.

 

[schuimpjes]

Did jokowi has that massive balls today ?? I don't think so ....

I don't even think he aware of this problem.

Perhaps we need to consider applying stoning as the penalty of those involved wkwkwkwk

I more toward to more professional management rather than harsher deterrent effects (harsher punishment). Put big cap companies standard to the government.

 

[Ravager]

It really goes full cycle, the incompetence of domestic industry combined with the incompetence with those drafting the requirements combined with "ganti pejabat ganti kebijakan" thingy combined with sales driven planning. Perhaps we need to consider applying stoning as the penalty of those involved wkwkwkwk

Hand chopped punishment and that really start to sound more and more tempting in these trying times .

 

[Gary]

hey guys, just found out that Indonesia is considered a 3rd tier cyber capabilities

don't know where to actually post this but........

you can download the paper here.

Cyber Capabilities and National Power: A Net Assessment

The result of two years of study by IISS researchers, this report provides a major new qualitative assessment of 15 countries’ cyber power, as well as a new qualitative framework for understanding how to rank global state cyber capacity.

www.iiss.org