Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[NEKO]

Build locally they said, but how much work share PT PAL will get to build locally anyway? Come on, did you forget our Changbogo class submarines and those Dutch built warships also said as locally built karya anak bangsa by PT PAL.

I won't be surprised if all work share PT PAL will get is just welding the joint section and all the blocks will be build in other countries, just like usual.

I am confident that it will be completely build and assembled in Indonesia. Also they said that PAL will be involved in the design phase. (Paling cuman utak atik dikit sesuai kebutuhan TNI).

As for REM other than the bridge section the other is built in here.

Hopefully, to fulfill 12 sub

And after that to get 12+ submarine, either ordering for more scorpene or other design.

 

[flogger]

Build locally they said, but how much work share PT PAL will get to build locally anyway? Come on, did you forget our Changbogo class submarines and those Dutch built warships also said as locally built karya anak bangsa by PT PAL.

I won't be surprised if all work share PT PAL will get is just welding the joint section and all the blocks will be build in other countries, just like usual.

Welding subs is crusial

 

[Madokafc]

Welding subs is crusial

Frying it deep with cooking oil is much more important

 

[NEKO]

Frying it deep with cooking oil is much more important

Are you referring submarine from Palembang?

 

[flogger]

Frying it deep with cooking oil is much more important

Well true..very true...

 

[R4duga]

who's gonna launch the ship first ? or

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499754802145857543

 

[Lordimperator]

who's gonna launch the ship first ? or

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499754802145857543

Poland i guess, they had choose camm MBDA as their SAM

 

[Umigami]

who's gonna launch the ship first ? or

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499754802145857543

Ours still "mbulet" with babcock realistic 140 meter vs PAL 143 meter dream.

 

[Anmdt]

Ours still "mbulet" with babcock realistic 140 meter vs PAL 143 meter dream.

What matters most is the "will" to make it with happen, following a reasonable path

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesian Navy ordered five more pc60 patrol vessels

https://www.tvonenews.com/daerah/su...angun-5-kapal-patroli-pc-60-dilengkapi-meriam

 

[deadlast]

Indonesian Navy ordered five more pc60 patrol vessels

https://www.tvonenews.com/daerah/su...angun-5-kapal-patroli-pc-60-dilengkapi-meriam

"Tahun ini kita pesan lima, satu dibangun di Batam, dua di Banten dan dua unit lagi masih menunggu tempat pembangunanya. Mudah-mudahan yang dua itu segera diputuskanu,” ujar Wakasal di sela-sela peninjauan rangka kapal PC 60.

So is this 5 unit all new order (5 new unit PC60m order) or also include the order for 2 unit from PT. Caputra Mitra Sejati on 2021 (3 new PC60m order + 2 old PC60m order)?

AFAIK,
Two unit in Banten by PT Caputra Mitra Sejati (2021 order)
One in Batam by PT. Karimun Anugrah Sejati (new 2022 order)
Another two to be decided (new 2022 order, probably goes to PT. Palindo Marine in Batam I guess).

If they really order 5 new unit then according to that news there are another pair being built/ordered somewhere in Banten.

 

[Var Dracon]

Indonesian Navy ordered five more pc60 patrol vessels

https://www.tvonenews.com/daerah/su...angun-5-kapal-patroli-pc-60-dilengkapi-meriam

They are being built in different places, so it is a shared design (or menhan bought the design)

 

[Madokafc]

They are being built in different places, so it is a shared design (or menhan bought the design)

They are using shared design owned by Indonesian government under supervision of MoD

 

[Madokafc]

So is this 5 unit all new order (5 new unit PC60m order) or also include the order for 2 unit from PT. Caputra Mitra Sejati on 2021 (3 new PC60m order + 2 old PC60m order)?

AFAIK,
Two unit in Banten by PT Caputra Mitra Sejati (2021 order)
One in Batam by PT. Karimun Anugrah Sejati (new 2022 order)
Another two to be decided (new 2022 order, probably goes to PT. Palindo Marine in Batam I guess).

If they really order 5 new unit then according to that news there are another pair being built/ordered in Banten.

This batches and lot system funding provision kinda confusing me sometimes.

 

[deadlast]

This batches and lot system funding provision kinda confusing me sometimes.

True, it is pain in the butt sometimes to track all these order, particularly those that deliberately use confusing project names on different time frame in several batches order using bunch of different shipyard like that on PC40, Combat boat, OPV and now these PC60 project.

 

[R4duga]

So is this 5 unit all new order (5 new unit PC60m order) or also include the order for 2 unit from PT. Caputra Mitra Sejati on 2021 (3 new PC60m order + 2 old PC60m order)?

AFAIK,
Two unit in Banten by PT Caputra Mitra Sejati (2021 order)
One in Batam by PT. Karimun Anugrah Sejati (new 2022 order)
Another two to be decided (new 2022 order, probably goes to PT. Palindo Marine in Batam I guess).

If they really order 5 new unit then according to that news there are another pair being built/ordered somewhere in Banten.

palindo already done steel cutting ceremony for that.

so now 3 batam shipyard are confirmed to handle KPC60 project

 

[NEKO]

Is PC60 a pure gunboat patrol ship without missile or with missile like KCR60?

No missile.

 

[R4duga]

True, it is pain in the butt sometimes to track all these order, particularly those that deliberately use confusing project names on different time frame in several batches order using bunch of different shipyard like that on PC40, Combat boat, OPV and now these PC60 project.

oh i remember there's also one built in bekasi(tesco indomaritim), but looks like this 60 meter design differ from it's counterpart that built in batam and banten, the hull and superstructure already taking shape, don't know when it's going to be launched though.

 

[FPXAllen]

So is this 5 unit all new order (5 new unit PC60m order) or also include the order for 2 unit from PT. Caputra Mitra Sejati on 2021 (3 new PC60m order + 2 old PC60m order)?

AFAIK,
Two unit in Banten by PT Caputra Mitra Sejati (2021 order)
One in Batam by PT. Karimun Anugrah Sejati (new 2022 order)
Another two to be decided (new 2022 order, probably goes to PT. Palindo Marine in Batam I guess).

If they really order 5 new unit then according to that news there are another pair being built/ordered somewhere in Banten.

It's confusing, yes, because the words from the TNI-AL deputy chief of staff is somewhat ambiguous.

But I think what he meant is that we're now building five PC 60s including two that are being built at Banten. So there's no additional order yet.

This batches and lot system funding provision kinda confusing me sometimes.

True, it is pain in the butt sometimes to track all these order, particularly those that deliberately use confusing project names on different time frame in several batches order using bunch of different shipyard like that on PC40, Combat boat, OPV and now these PC60 project.

We can confuse our potential adversary(ies) better if we're also confused with our own orders, I suppose...

Right? Guys?

 

[R4duga]

It's confusing, yes, because the words from the TNI-AL deputy chief of staff is somewhat ambiguous.

But I think what he meant is that we're now building five PC 60s including two that are being built at Banten. So there's no additional order yet.



We can confuse our potential adversary(ies) better if we're also confused with our own orders, I suppose...

Right? Guys?

to make a habit that would last until wartime periode (i hope not), we'll confuse everyone, both adversary and our own.