Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Gary]

If proceeds the Navy will :

• Add 2 new gun calibers on its arsenal (127mm and 25x137mm KBA round) and buy the ammo stockpile.
• Add new CMS (Leonardo SADOC MK.IV)
• Add new SSM (Otomat)
• Return to CODAG (LM2500)

 

[NEKO]

If proceeds the Navy will :

• Add 2 new gun calibers on its arsenal (127mm and 25x137mm KBA round) and buy the ammo stockpile.
• Add new CMS (Leonardo SADOC MK.IV)
• Add new SSM (Otomat)
• Return to CODAG (LM2500)

The weapons still can be swapped, rather easy. The Italians can store it and use it later for newly built ship.

The engine tho.

 

[Gary]

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Hanud KRI Diponegoro ?? Wtf happened to the Tetral launcher ?

 

[Umigami]

Add new CMS (Leonardo SADOC MK.IV)

Is it possible to convert to Exocet?

 

[Umigami]

If proceeds the Navy will :

• Add 2 new gun calibers on its arsenal (127mm and 25x137mm KBA round) and buy the ammo stockpile.
• Add new CMS (Leonardo SADOC MK.IV)
• Add new SSM (Otomat)
• Return to CODAG (LM2500)

Finally got Aster too

 

[Gary]

Is it possible to convert to Exocet?

Nahh screw exocet

 

[Anmdt]

If proceeds the Navy will :

• Add 2 new gun calibers on its arsenal (127mm and 25x137mm KBA round) and buy the ammo stockpile.
• Add new CMS (Leonardo SADOC MK.IV)
• Add new SSM (Otomat)
• Return to CODAG (LM2500)

New ingredients for Gado2.

 

[Umigami]

Nahh screw exocet

Isn't Exocet better than Otomat Mk2 ?

 

[Anmdt]

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Hanud KRI Diponegoro ?? Wtf happened to the Tetral launcher ?

Common practice i guess? There might be some MANPANDs available in warships, just in case.

Usually some warships has mounts for these, or they can be used with manual MG mounts, or convertible, i don't know.

 

[Gary]

Isn't Exocet better than Otomat Mk2 ?

How come lmao ? I'm talking about the Otomat MK2 TESEO

edit : Exocet still uses old seeker from mm.38 iirc

 

[Gary]

Common practice i guess? There might be some MANPANDs available in warships, just in case.

Usually some warships has mounts for these, or they can be used with manual MG mounts, or convertible, i don't know.

Isn't it better to practice using the Tetral directly from the CIC room? Rather than manual Manpads firing which didn't increase CMS operator proficiency.

 

[Umigami]

How come lmao ? I'm talking about the Otomat MK2 TESEO

edit : Exocet still uses old seeker from mm.38 iirc

Hmmm, yeah Otomat seems to have bigger warhead and smarter.

 

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Hanud KRI Diponegoro ?? Wtf happened to the Tetral launcher ?

Being the sole user of a unique variant will do that to you, lack of spare part availability thus affecting the weapon system readiness, the sole supplier will try jack up their price to cover production cost of the spare parts for one of a kind system used in small number by only one specific customer.

 

[Anmdt]

Isn't it better to practice using the Tetral directly from the CIC room? Rather than manual Manpads firing which didn't increase CMS operator proficiency.

Indeed, logic dictates that, but MANPADS, along with MGs could be part of "missile defense" as well.
That also could be part of the training for another ship which has no AD missile (Auxiliary vessel, patrol vessels, boats).
Auxiliaries often has these mounts for MANPADS operator.

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IF menhan buy PPA, will it be categorized as "frigate 140m"?

 

[Mandala]

Kongsberg Vanguard System - Mothership for the Indonesian Navy capable to carry up to four PT Lundin Kapal Serang Ringan (KSR).

Excerpts:

"In 2022 at Indo Defence Kongsberg and PT Lundin signed a Memorandum of Understanding with PT PAL of Indonesia for the development a new type of vessel called locally KSR (Kapal Serang Ringan, for light attack craft).

At LIMA 2023 the Kongsberg stand was dominated by its Naval Strike Missile (NSM) which is already bought by Malaysia and of course proposed for the two main Malaysian programmes, the LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) and the LMS (Littoral Mission Ship) Batch 2, and by the model of its fast attack craft (FAC) part of the Vanguard system, fitted with two NSMs.

The Vanguard concept is based on a mothership, capable to carry up to four FACs. The mothership is built to IMO (International Maritime Organization) standards used for commercial vessels, however reinforcements are installed in specific areas to allow the installation of communication equipment as well as the handling of weapons. A frigate-size ship, the mothership is 100 metres long, has an 18 metres beam, the crew being of 30 persons, however cabins for 100 persons are available. It is fitted with a diesel-electric propulsion that ensures a range of 5,000 NM at cruise speed, the ship being also fitted with a replenishment-at-sea system.

It has a well deck allowing operating the FACs, which are of course controlled from on-board the ship that is fitted with all necessary workstations and communication means. It is also fitted with a flight deck capable to host light helicopters as well as VTOL UAVs, and a wide area where up to twenty 20-foot containers can be hosted. Weaponry is limited to the bow-mounted medium-calibre gun.

The FACs are designed by PT Lundin and beside the aforementioned NSM missiles they also carry a Kongsberg RS4 remotely controlled weapon station armed with a 12.7 mm calibre machine gun. They can be operated unmanned, controlled by the Vanguard mothership, or carry a crew of six. Fully made of carbon fibre, the FAC is 19 metres long and is powered by two waterjets provided by Kongsberg that allow the boat to exceed 50 knots.

The agreement with PT Lundin will see the first KSR launched in Q4 2024. This will be the first step of the programme, the next one being the building of the mothership by PT PAL, as well as that of other KSRs, to fully enforce the Vanguard system concept. Considering the relationship between Indonesia and Malaysia, Kongsberg considers the MoU with PT Lundin and PT PAL a point of entry in the Asian region."

Read more:

LIMA 2023 - Following the agreement in Indonesia, Kongsberg promotes its Vanguard system in Malaysia - EDR Magazine

LIMA 2023 allowed Kongsberg of Norway to promote its Vanguard system, based on a mothership/fast attack boats concept, to Malaysia.

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[NEKO]

Kongsberg Vanguard System - Mothership for the Indonesian Navy capable to carry up to four PT Lundin Kapal Serang Ringan (KSR).

Excerpts:

"In 2022 at Indo Defence Kongsberg and PT Lundin signed a Memorandum of Understanding with PT PAL of Indonesia for the development a new type of vessel called locally KSR (Kapal Serang Ringan, for light attack craft).

At LIMA 2023 the Kongsberg stand was dominated by its Naval Strike Missile (NSM) which is already bought by Malaysia and of course proposed for the two main Malaysian programmes, the LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) and the LMS (Littoral Mission Ship) Batch 2, and by the model of its fast attack craft (FAC) part of the Vanguard system, fitted with two NSMs.

The Vanguard concept is based on a mothership, capable to carry up to four FACs. The mothership is built to IMO (International Maritime Organization) standards used for commercial vessels, however reinforcements are installed in specific areas to allow the installation of communication equipment as well as the handling of weapons. A frigate-size ship, the mothership is 100 metres long, has an 18 metres beam, the crew being of 30 persons, however cabins for 100 persons are available. It is fitted with a diesel-electric propulsion that ensures a range of 5,000 NM at cruise speed, the ship being also fitted with a replenishment-at-sea system.

It has a well deck allowing operating the FACs, which are of course controlled from on-board the ship that is fitted with all necessary workstations and communication means. It is also fitted with a flight deck capable to host light helicopters as well as VTOL UAVs, and a wide area where up to twenty 20-foot containers can be hosted. Weaponry is limited to the bow-mounted medium-calibre gun.

The FACs are designed by PT Lundin and beside the aforementioned NSM missiles they also carry a Kongsberg RS4 remotely controlled weapon station armed with a 12.7 mm calibre machine gun. They can be operated unmanned, controlled by the Vanguard mothership, or carry a crew of six. Fully made of carbon fibre, the FAC is 19 metres long and is powered by two waterjets provided by Kongsberg that allow the boat to exceed 50 knots.

The agreement with PT Lundin will see the first KSR launched in Q4 2024. This will be the first step of the programme, the next one being the building of the mothership by PT PAL, as well as that of other KSRs, to fully enforce the Vanguard system concept. Considering the relationship between Indonesia and Malaysia, Kongsberg considers the MoU with PT Lundin and PT PAL a point of entry in the Asian region."

Read more:

LIMA 2023 - Following the agreement in Indonesia, Kongsberg promotes its Vanguard system in Malaysia - EDR Magazine

LIMA 2023 allowed Kongsberg of Norway to promote its Vanguard system, based on a mothership/fast attack boats concept, to Malaysia.

www.edrmagazine.eu

Hopefully the KSR is stealthy.

 

[Lordimperator]

Hopefully the KSR is stealthy.

Wondering what will be the targeting platform for the KSR?

 

[Lordimperator]

Aster for KRI Merah Putih?

 

[Umigami]

Aster for KRI Merah Putih?

With how big Rafale deal was and huge MBDA market here, why they didn't want to make some concession?
Also I don't thing our Navy would cling to the idea of it is impossible in the first place.

AH is sus here.