Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

let's wait till fincantieri showed the new italian 10.000 tonnes ddx design, the bigger the better right ?

Ah yess, love it.
Triple gun 76 mm, one vulcano, with lacm capability SCALP.

 

[Ravager]

He want something like Arleigh Burke class at least

Well , even after all of these years and changing times . 08 would always be 08 ...

Premium stuff or nothing at all !!

 

[JATOSINT]

I think it is clear that he meant 50 combat-ready warships, not 50 new warships, in 24 months

 

[R4duga]

perhaps it's time to give marine corps a proper lowbed...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487077065593548811

 

[Mandala]

I think it is clear that he meant 50 combat-ready warships, not 50 new warships, in 24 months

Yes it seems so.

"Defense minister Prabowo Subianto was quoted in an English-language website Jan. 27 saying that he has told Indonesia’s president that the country will have “up to 50 warships” in the next two years. Sadly, no details were available as to what kinds of “warships” he might have meant, whether frigates and destroyers or offshore patrol craft. It may, suggests one analyst who asked not to be identified, simply mean Indonesia’s navy will have 50 ships ready to go to sea at any one time."

Indonesia's $125B air, naval splurge may mean '50 warships' at sea in next 2 years - Breaking Defense

Amidst incursions by China into Indonesia's Extended Economic Zone, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto is looking for a major investment in military gear.

breakingdefense.com

 

[JATOSINT]

perhaps it's time to give marine corps a proper lowbed...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487077065593548811

Depending on what caused the accident

 

[NEKO]

There is also rumour about Ministry of Defense put request for Four units of Destroyer Type vessels.

AH140 and FREMM is not considered as deatroyer in here?


-> Destroyer
Why?

Combat capability? How about we put more missile on AH140.
ABM? we can put sensor and missile that is suitable to do the job on AH140, either using European or US naval solutions.
Endurance?

If there is a good reasons for it then I will agree, but how about getting more Ah140 or FREMM? Instead of getting something like AB.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487276342182051841

 

[Van Kravchenko]

AH140 and FREMM is not considered as deatroyer in here?

Because the original name is Frigate and 16 vls kinda awkward to design this ship as Destroyer.

 

[Lordimperator]

name is Frigate and 16 vls

Wondering if there will be horizon class export ver.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Wondering if there will be horizon class export ver.

The production of Horizon already stopped, and the DNA of horizon enherited by FREMM nowadays.

In my imagination Maya class still the best pack all puch destroyer . None shall called detroyer if not on par with Maya class. Not even Hobart

 

[Lordimperator]

imagination Maya class still the best pack all puch destroyer

Not a bad choice, but if i could choose, i would like the aaw 30ffm ver., with extra vls and elongated body

 

[Jaka45]

Btw on our current fleets and already signed order (> 550 tonnes surface combatant and patrol vessels)

General Corvette
Sigma class : 4 units
Bung Tomo class : 3 units
Fatahillah class : 3 units

ASW Corvette
Parchim class : 14 units (soon to be retired)

Multipurpose Frigates
Martadinata class : 2 units
Ahmad Yani class : 5 units (soon to be retired)

On order (Already signed contract or already in building phase)

Arrowhead 140 : 2 units
FREMM : 6 units
Maestrale class : 2 units
OPV 90 meter class : 2 units
OPV 60 meter class : 2 units
KCR 60 meter class : 4 units ( including refit and rearm of previous two units means six units is in Shipyard at various progress stage)

In consideration or grants on offer
Mogami class : 4 units (+4 on option)
Pohang class Corvette : 3 units
Turkey Fast attack patrol vessels :

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There is also rumour about Ministry of Defense put request for Four units of Destroyer Type vessels.

For destroyer the best outcome that i can think of is Sejong The Great.

We got a f*cking powerful destroyer + 3 Pohang Class as bonus.
Aside from that we can kill "changbogo" 2nd batch contract without making Sokor salty.
Win-win for everyone.

 

[Madokafc]

Routine check up of the MLRS

 

[Lordimperator]

Sejong The Great

I doubt if we could get the aegis

 

[Ravager]

I doubt if we could get the aegis

Well , i believe in the current global political situation we could get it tho' ... Cheaply too . Yet ,
It takes a lot of sacrifices be it economicaly , political and " bebas-aktif ideology and put us straight into the mainland crosshair and get level up from a mere political nuisance entity into the first key target to be neutralized when the shit are getting real ..
Makes no mistake , it does present us with the opportunity much like what was catapulted Sokor and Turkey into what they were today ...
Be a whore albeit a rich one glittering with all their assorted jewellry or a destitute with an attitude and poise .
Make up the choice now . Make it fast ... And sticked with it .


Well , there are also a third choice tho ...

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488132891666452480

 

[BBOn]

Btw on our current fleets and already signed order (> 550 tonnes surface combatant and patrol vessels)

General Corvette
Sigma class : 4 units
Bung Tomo class : 3 units
Fatahillah class : 3 units

ASW Corvette
Parchim class : 14 units (soon to be retired)

Multipurpose Frigates
Martadinata class : 2 units
Ahmad Yani class : 5 units (soon to be retired)

On order (Already signed contract or already in building phase)

Arrowhead 140 : 2 units
FREMM : 6 units
Maestrale class : 2 units
OPV 90 meter class : 2 units
OPV 60 meter class : 2 units
KCR 60 meter class : 4 units ( including refit and rearm of previous two units means six units is in Shipyard at various progress stage)

In consideration or grants on offer
Mogami class : 4 units (+4 on option)
Pohang class Corvette : 3 units
Turkey Fast attack patrol vessels :

------------------------
There is also rumour about Ministry of Defense put request for Four units of Destroyer Type vessels.

Aaaa so, in the end we indeed need Destroyer fleet

 

[BBOn]

AH140 and FREMM is not considered as deatroyer in here?


-> Destroyer
Why?

Combat capability? How about we put more missile on AH140.
ABM? we can put sensor and missile that is suitable to do the job on AH140, either using European or US naval solutions.
Endurance?

If there is a good reasons for it then I will agree, but how about getting more Ah140 or FREMM? Instead of getting something like AB.

No, as long it's doesn't have long range land attack capability i refuse to call it a destroyer
+ = ☄(🗺)

 

[Mandala]

A Maritime Striker - Could Indonesia End Up Operating The Bayraktar TB3?​

Oryx Monday, January 31, 2022



By Stijn Mitzer

Indonesia's stated desire to acquire drones from Turkey could one day also see an interest in the Bayraktar TB3, which was designed as a heavier version of the TB2 that can also operate from aircraft carriers and landing helicopter docks (LHDs). The Indonesian Navy has already experimented with using fixed-wing UAVs from the helicopter deck of one of its Dutch-built Diponegoro-class corvettes. Although the UAV could only take-off from the vessel and had to land at an air base, the effort clearly indicates that Indonesia is interested in operating shipborne fixed-wing UAVs.

The Indonesian Navy currently operates a fleet of seven landing platform docks (LPDs), three of which are outfitted as hospital ships. Most of the LPDs were constructed by state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL Indonesia, which acquired the license to construct the Makassar class from Dae Sun Shipyard in South Korea. In June 2014 PT PAL signed a $92 million contract for the delivery of two LPDs to the Philippine Navy. Although delivered without many of the systems considered standard on contemporary ships in Western nations, the low unit price of some $45m means that these ships are now actually financially attainable for countries like Indonesia and the Philippines.

It is currently believed that the Indonesian Navy intends to procure several landing platform helicopter vessels (LPHs) in the coming decade. In 2018 PT PAL unveiled a 244-metres long LPH design that will likely form the basis of the design that will be offered to the Indonesian Navy. Similar to the Turkish TCG Anadolu LHD, the LPH design features a large aft elevator that can move helicopters and large U(C)AVs to the flight deck or hangar. Designed to be deployed from LHDs and LPHs from the onset, the Bayraktar TB3 could be deployed from Indonesia's LPHs without any design modifications required. Due to their small size and foldable wings, numerous TB3s could be deployed on the ships along with ASW helicopters and other drones to provide Indonesia with its first (unmanned-) aircraft carrier.

A rendering of Indonesia's 244-metres long LPH design.​

The TCG Anadolu LHD (and the follow-up vessel the TCG Trakya) are reportedly capable of carrying several dozen Bayraktar TB3s, a number that is only set to increase on Indonesia's larger LPH design. The TB3 can stay in the air for up to 24 hours while boasting a 280kg payload capacity. This could either consist of up to six MAM munitions, including the MAM-T with a 30+km range, a maritime surveillance radar or a combination of both. This enables the TB3 to engage enemy naval vessels, support amphibious landings and carry out maritime surveillance. The expected low unit price of Indonesia's LPHs (similar to its LPDs) in combination with the acquisition of TB3s could open up up entirely new possibilities for the Indonesian Navy.

The Carrier Candidate: Bayraktar TB3s For Indonesia?

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