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It would be interesting to see what systems China will actually inculde. Probably export versions that we won't be able to learn much from.

Also if we do get into some kind of conflict with China then Chinese weapons won't be that useful. They would know all the capabilities and weaknesses of the Type 052D and we would lose access to spares or support from the OEM.
Good thing they are just 3 vessels
 

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Is it only me that concern that this chinese proposal would be an easy target for their own espionage action?

There will be a moment that a warship will go on some spec ops that requires full blackout meanwhile their "possible sneaky program or transponder device that can only be read by beidou" make a shining light in the middle of the dark seas?

haha, idk, maybe i read too much conspirasy theories to make this happens, but, that is a possibilities right? nowadays technology is very different from 10 years ago, meanwhile, 12 years ago Chinese hacker already attacking google, 14 years ago American already planting hacking program on remote Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities,

And what now?, even using indigineous system won't be a guarantee that that system is safe, that's why we are using tech that built by atleast from the credible company with high reputation and well known for its products, giving ourself some relieve and safe feeling.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a pushover who don't want this programme to be executed, but using Chinese system itself will be a big hurdle to us as the operator for times to come, command and control in chinese alphabet?, language barrier on every word that plaque on anything, different operating technical procedures, technical manual only in chinese, reliability of the system itself, both hardware and software, and so on and on...

Heck just change the part to European made then, Changing the parts sounds right, but thats not easy, the ship must be docked atleast for 6 month, even Bung Tomo Class that the Great Britain made need 3 years to complete the refit and upgrade programs from planning to fitting.

Also the last thing, idk if 600million figures for the ship only or with weapon and missile and stuff.

just don't be another 60's Sverdlov-class.
 

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Is it only me that concern that this chinese proposal would be an easy target for their own espionage action?

There will be a moment that a warship will go on some spec ops that requires full blackout meanwhile their "possible sneaky program or transponder device that can only be read by beidou" make a shining light in the middle of the dark seas?

haha, idk, maybe i read too much conspirasy theories to make this happens, but, that is a possibilities right? nowadays technology is very different from 10 years ago, meanwhile, 12 years ago Chinese hacker already attacking google, 14 years ago American already planting hacking program on remote Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities,

And what now?, even using indigineous system won't be a guarantee that that system is safe, that's why we are using tech that built by atleast from the credible company with high reputation and well known for its products, giving ourself some relieve and safe feeling.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a pushover who don't want this programme to be executed, but using Chinese system itself will be a big hurdle to us as the operator for times to come, command and control in chinese alphabet?, language barrier on every word that plaque on anything, different operating technical procedures, technical manual only in chinese, reliability of the system itself, both hardware and software, and so on and on...

Heck just change the part to European made then, Changing the parts sounds right, but thats not easy, the ship must be docked atleast for 6 month, even Bung Tomo Class that the Great Britain made need 3 years to complete the refit and upgrade programs from planning to fitting.

Also the last thing, idk if 600million figures for the ship only or with weapon and missile and stuff.

just don't be another 60's Sverdlov-class.
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definitely cannot be compared to sverdlov case though, this thing are tier 1 and most recent chinese naval vessels assets.
 

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so we sell secrets about fremm and Type 052D to both side.....??
considering, if they have balls that big enough to do it...
Then we will be stomped from both side and leaving IDN become to be their warzone
 

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so we sell secrets about fremm and Type 052D to both side.....??
considering, if they have balls that big enough to do it...
Jokes aside, when I said we will sell secrets, most likely we will use the 052D in exercise to test its real life combat capabilities. Things like radar capabilities, CMS response time etc and share the data with allies.

Before the Falklands war, Argentina acquire 2 Type 42 AAW destroyers from the UK and tested it extensively in exercise. They know the ins and out of the ship including the air search radar capability and weakness against low flying aircraft. Later in the war one Type 42 (Coventry) destroyer were sunk by Argentina's low flying A-4 Skyhawk and the other (Sheffield) sunk by low flying Exocet.
 

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Of all those "kontroversi" regarding 052 pls keep in mind there is also national security, regional security and other class A information that we might know nothing about behind the decission. That interm plan looks like being pushed due to certain concerns regarding current global situation plus certain classified informations. When sh#t hit the fan it wont matter much whos making the military assets because we might have to deal with both sides in a different way, and our current condition (quality & quantity) of military assets wont give us much of an option hand picking which assets to use in operation. Lets just hope for the best shall we? ;)
 

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Interesting, in the sixty, Indonesian Navy operated Mig 17 as part of their recon units


Because there is precedent, it would be reasonable to review and revive the Navy fighter and bomber squadron in which i hope they can get something like Naval Rafale and coupled them with P8 Poseidon along with Hawkeye.
 

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Interesting, in the sixty, Indonesian Navy operated Mig 17 as part of their recon units


Because there is precedent, it would be reasonable to review and revive the Navy fighter and bomber squadron in which i hope they can get something like Naval Rafale and coupled them with P8 Poseidon along with Hawkeye.
Land based naval rafale?
No thanks.

Get ucav instead.
 

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Always start with something small and follow the learning curves.
 
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