Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

Not related to ALRI but its quite interesting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673318745840730114

Using the AH140 hull provides platform commonality with other navies, potentially reducing supply chain, training and maintenance costs. The RN-chaired AH140 user group is also on offer for customers who would benefit from the sharing experience of the UK, Polish, Indonesian and Danish operators.

The MNP has had some substantial modifications including increasing the length by 2m and reducing the size of the flight deck to provide increased hangar space for up to two Merlin-sized helicopters. Internally the enlarged hangar connects to the mission bay which now occupies the entire width of the vessel with a similar layout to the Type 26 frigate. Under the flight deck, the existing mission bay (a feature of the original Arrowhead and Type 31) has been expanded into a mission deck with access to a stern rap for the launch and recovery of small boats.

Type 32 candidate, developed from Type 31 Babcock which they move the vls to the front, the 2nd level deck behind the naval gun. And trade the middle VLS with RHIB hanggar. Also they will increasing the length by 2 meters, which similiar with the rumoured Merah Putih length advised by Babcock.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263730103122616320

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263736683356459008

This make me wondering what will be Frigate Merah Putih VLS emplacement. Its indicated the 2nd level could atleast fitted with 16 mk41 after the Babcock modification.

 

[Gary]

It might work in malaka, sunda, and bali strait

A truck based missile launcher would deliver the same with a lot less cost for the platform. Navy is very material intensive. The idea to achieve more with less doesn't work with a navy. Larger, more sophisticated navy almost always win.

Sad development from my perspective if they chose the path. This is the kind of wannabe naval power like Iran tries to 'boost' its naval power, cheap and plenty, effectiveness questionable in war.

 

[Lordimperator]

A truck based missile launcher would deliver the same with a lot less cost for the platform. Navy is very material intensive. The idea to achieve more with less doesn't work with a navy. Larger, more sophisticated navy almost always win.

Sad development from my perspective if they chose the path. This is the kind of wannabe naval power like Iran tries to 'boost' its naval power, cheap and plenty, effectiveness questionable in war.

dont forget the GFP part...

 

[Gary]

Not related to ALRI but its quite interesting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673318745840730114

Type 32 candidate, developed from Type 31 Babcock which they move the vls to the front, the 2nd level deck behind the naval gun. And trade the middle VLS with RHIB hanggar. Also they will increasing the length by 2 meters, which similiar with the rumoured Merah Putih length advised by Babcock.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263730103122616320

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263736683356459008

This make me wondering what will be Frigate Merah Putih VLS emplacement. Its indicated the 2nd level could atleast fitted with 16 mk41 after the Babcock modification.

I have no numbers to justify what I'm going to write, but from the look of it, a whole VLS cells positioned on the front doesn't seems likely to hold 40 VLS like we planned.

 

[Umigami]

I have no numbers to justify what I'm going to write, but from the look of it, a whole VLS cells positioned on the front doesn't seems likely to hold 40 VLS like we planned.

Didn't they decide to put less VLS?

 

[Gary]

Didn't they decide to put less VLS?

I must've missed? What is the latest number?

 

[Umigami]

I must've missed? What is the latest number?

Havelsan Turki Akan Lengkapi Fregat "Merah Putih" Arrowhead dengan Advent CMS - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Havelsan bakal melengkapi kapal perang fregat "Merah Putih" Arrowhead 140 dengan sistem manajemen pertempuran atau combat management system (Advent CMS).

indonesiadefense.com

My bad, it's 40.
But I don't think they'll really go with that AShM VLS

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Hehh, what's the point of this ? Easy prey from air attack even from shipborne helicopter


We're getting more and more into IRGC navy style whatever...not ideal

Not ideal, but if you a good general you will know where your pawns must be place.

We war with what we have, not with what we want.

As for Indo-Pak war of 1971 pack of missile boat were relevant since no formidable tech as today. But if you remove the human from the boat change it with robot and installed it with missile (let say the boat is mere cheap boat with task to deliver missile; don't expect them to RTB) it will be a sophisticated stuff if it employed in pack that can salvo an adversary vessel.


BUT, if what you talking is 'bout navy and strategy to update them, yes big boats are a must for military posturing.

 

[chibiyabi]

Menguak Sistem Rahasia Militer AS yang Deteksi Ledakan Titan

Tepat pada saat kapal selam Titan meledak, sebenarnya Angkatan Laut Amerika Serikat sudah mendeteksi suaranya dengan sistem rahasia mereka.

inet.detik.com

detected using US atlantic "SOSUS" system

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673640257076744192

 

[Umigami]

Not related to ALRI but its quite interesting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673318745840730114

Type 32 candidate, developed from Type 31 Babcock which they move the vls to the front, the 2nd level deck behind the naval gun. And trade the middle VLS with RHIB hanggar. Also they will increasing the length by 2 meters, which similiar with the rumoured Merah Putih length advised by Babcock.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263730103122616320

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1263736683356459008

This make me wondering what will be Frigate Merah Putih VLS emplacement. Its indicated the 2nd level could atleast fitted with 16 mk41 after the Babcock modification.

More pic
16 VLS on the front

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673611088439410692

 

[Umigami]

A look into what NG offers to Philippines

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673502915514994689

When is our MoD announcing submarine winner?

 

[Madokafc]

A look into what NG offers to Philippines

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673502915514994689

When is our MoD announcing submarine winner?

In Paris yesterday, beside MoD who visit in the first day, the other ones who met French DGA is Baranahan chief (officer who responsible for defense deals) and other related high officer within MoD, i don't be surprised if they already signing some unnannounced contract

 

[Qimpetmleteque]

In Paris yesterday, beside MoD who visit in the first day, the other ones who met French DGA is Baranahan chief (officer who responsible for defense deals) and other related high officer within MoD, i don't be surprised if they already signing some unnannounced contract

In Kak Wowo's presentation at Lemdiklat Polri two weeks ago, Indonesia planned to have 2 attack subs and 7 tactical subs. Currently Indonesia has 4 active subs, if the contract has been signed then 2 Scorpene will be added.

Where will the additional 3 subs be acquired from? CBG batch 2 or TKMS?

 

[Gary]

I hope they go forward with the purchase of 4 full size Scorpene and minimize or cancel outright midget sub program.

What we need is a large submarine able to operate for a very long time at sea, without having to return for more fuel or torpedo. I hope in the future the option to build and operate nuclear attack submarine is considered. Australia will have one, we also need to have one.

 

[Qimpetmleteque]

I hope they go forward with the purchase of 4 full size Scorpene and minimize or cancel outright midget sub program.

What we need is a large submarine able to operate for a very long time at sea, without having to return for more fuel or torpedo. I hope in the future the option to build and operate nuclear attack submarine is considered. Australia will have one, we also need to have one.

What about time constraint? From 1 vendor then the risk is slower aquisition time, or 2 vendors to make it faster?

 

[Gary]

What about time constraint? From 1 vendor then the risk is slower aquisition time, or 2 vendors to make it faster?

My concern is not about TKMS vs NG, my concern is our plan for midget submarine, which I'm not a fan of, if possible I want the navy to have 2 Scorpene + 2 U214 or 4 Scorpene followed by an even larger class of attack submarine (preferrably nuclear powered), while cancelling plans for 7 (?) midget sub.

What we need is large submarines able to stay submerged for long, travel far and fast, dive deep and lots of magazine, something not possible with midget sub.

 

[Qimpetmleteque]

My concern is not about TKMS vs NG, my concern is our plan for midget submarine, which I'm not a fan of, if possible I want the navy to have 2 Scorpene + 2 U214 or 4 Scorpene followed by an even larger class of attack submarine (preferrably nuclear powered), while cancelling plans for 7 (?) midget sub.

What we need is large submarines able to stay submerged for long, travel far and fast, dive deep and lots of magazine, something not possible with midget sub.

Kak Wowo's plan is that Indonesia has 9 large subs, 2 attack subs and 7 'tactical' subs. (min 1:13:35). Excl midget. CMIIW.

 

[Gary]

Kak Wowo's plan is that Indonesia has 9 large subs, 2 attack subs and 7 'tactical' subs. (min 1:13:35). Excl midget. CMIIW.

My bad then, when I read 'tactical' vs 'attack', my understanding is 'tactical' is referring to a smaller class of sub.

There's been some clues lately pointing that we're trying to have midget sub.

Republikorp Akan Produksi Kapal Selam Midget

Kapal selam kelas Midget mampu bermanuver dengan lincah di laut lepas dan selat kecil karena struktur badannya yang relatif kecil dan dilengkapi dengan ”air independent propulsion”.

www.kompas.id

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673889622034874368

No reaction from their Navy or Coast guard?