Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Van Kravchenko]

Well... its certainly took a lot of innovating spirit + mindset to dodging KPK investigation (I wasn't referring to any specific SOE here)

is it so much work to be done for an innovation ?

If we look closerly from SOE's promising 1001 prototype wich never get into serial production, it could be got no funding or perhaps someone will speculated its hard to get cash from serial production :v

Dunno, , , we have plenty expert at defence but colonialism mindset still took place

 

[Van Kravchenko]

You're underestimating coconut tree There is very good reason coconuts tree is use for improvised armour. They sure don't look pretty. But when real bullet began to flying for real, you won't be care about looking good any more.

Gladly all of this truck transporter survive the war

This one from Korps Marinir

And never struck by one of this militia AT stuff :'v

Anyway, how the hell GAM get much weaponery back then ?

N.b. Picture picked from many sources such as twitter, and republika

 

[FPXAllen]

Man, some people here sure like to feel they're morally superior. Sad.

But sadly defenve private company in Indonesia are more than capable to surpass even the SOE company.

Am I correct to notice that private defence companies in this country can't really 'spread their wings' no matter how innovative they are since SOEs will always have the 'high ground'?

Take Lundin, for example. While it's true that SOEs is positioned as the "lead integrator" according to the law, but somehow it seems that - at least - some SOEs are prone to take the whole credits for themselves.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Man, some people here sure like to feel they're morally superior. Sad.


Am I correct to notice that private defence companies in this country can't really 'spread their wings' no matter how innovative they are since SOEs will always have the 'high ground'?

Take Lundin, for example. While it's true that SOEs is positioned as the "lead integrator" according to the law, but somehow it seems that - at least - some SOEs are prone to take the whole credits for themselves.

Currently we have some private owned defence sector such as komodo armament, ludin industry invest, delima jaya, etc., that have innovative design state to art product and perhaps competitive product.

What am get from my own observation here, weapon procurements mostly goes to SOE, one of the reason is money sueriority and you can get all cutting egde that "bapak mau", its rarely go through private owned company, its only go through private company for "rekanan" so, as long as the buyer isnt bats an eye on the product. There's. No use to push harder to inovated and make more sophisticated product.

Well as long as SOE made best gun, perhaps its ok. But you know the proverb
"Your weapon made by the lowest bidder"
Is Star to be clear.

 

[Indos]

Currently we have some private owned defence sector such as komodo armament, ludin industry invest, delima jaya, etc., that have innovative design state to art product and perhaps competitive product.

What am get from my own observation here, weapon procurements mostly goes to SOE, one of the reason is money sueriority and you can get all cutting egde that "bapak mau", its rarely go through private owned company, its only go through private company for "rekanan" so, as long as the buyer isnt bats an eye on the product. There's. No use to push harder to inovated and make more sophisticated product.

Well as long as SOE made best gun, perhaps its ok. But you know the proverb
"Your weapon made by the lowest bidder"
Is Star to be clear.

Delima Jaya is only a karoseri company, their role can be replaced by other karoseri company to make those MLRS. It is not them who make the critical component there

 

[Madokafc]

Man, some people here sure like to feel they're morally superior. Sad.


Am I correct to notice that private defence companies in this country can't really 'spread their wings' no matter how innovative they are since SOEs will always have the 'high ground'?

Take Lundin, for example. While it's true that SOEs is positioned as the "lead integrator" according to the law, but somehow it seems that - at least - some SOEs are prone to take the whole credits for themselves.

Err, the cakes is very small to begin with and when Government want to slice them further, they should prioritized their own companies first. Then there is Indonesia SoE mostly doing their jobs as assembly center, there is very small footprint for subsistem manufacturing among Indonesian SoE and Private companies. Thus by this condition government can't give a fuck for which companies who bag the deals. At least in Navy building, there is a lot of private companies who joint the effort to build Naval fleets for the Navy, from Oiler, LST, LCU, Patrol Boats most of them being build by local private companies.

Unless you had a healthy budget, open procurement system with fair and accountable system there is time for SoE to start rising and not only work as assembly center but producing many vital components

 

[BBOn]

Sunken Indonesian submarine's life raft lifted with assistance of Chinese navy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

JAKARTA, May 18 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian Navy, with the assistance of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, has managed to lift a life raft and other fragments belonging to the sunken Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala-402 in the Bali waters.

At a televised press conference on Tuesday, Commander of the Indonesian Navy's 2nd Fleet Rear Admiral Iwan Isnurwanto said the Chinese research vessel Explorer 2 has retrieved a 700 kg life raft from the seafloor near Bali.

"Vessel Tan Suo Er Hao (Explorer 2) succeeded in lifting the KRI Nanggala's life raft. We have kept it well as evidence that the ships from our friendly country had carried out their duties," Isnurwanto told a media briefing, which was also attended by the defense attaché of the Chinese embassy in Jakarta, Chen Yongjing.

The life raft was buried in the mud before being retrieved, Isnurwanto said.

Other objects lifted by the Chinese vessel included the submarine's antenna, the torpedo cable protector on the vertical rudder, the hydrophone in the bow, and the guidebook.

"No other major parts have been lifted yet, such as the bow section, sail section, and stern section," Isnurwanto said.



When they fund the life raft its already covered by mud (severated from the escape hatch) thats mean she crush deep and then hit the ocean floor

 

[BBOn]

Well, SOE maybe come with great idea or innovation or sometime just copy the idea from outside.
But, the problems is
Do they have the money to start with?
Do they have something to offer that can usefull and not just to replace the existing and proven ones?
Do they able to mature the concept that they bought?
Do they have capability to manufacture?
Do they will meet the capacity?
Do they will able to meet their target production?
And so on and so on..

Lundin for example is brave enough to step forward. But, lets ask why Polytron with budi hartono refrain them self to join the party? Simple, like @Madokafc said The profit is not suitable compared to the money that they will spended and there is no assurance that the next Big order will come.

CMIIWR

 

[lemons]

Recent update on salvage mission. Unfortunately, I can't acces TNI-AL's website.

TNI ANGKATAN LAUT

www.tnial.mil.id

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1394688757148708867

 

[this is crunch]

Sunken Indonesian submarine's life raft lifted with assistance of Chinese navy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

JAKARTA, May 18 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian Navy, with the assistance of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, has managed to lift a life raft and other fragments belonging to the sunken Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala-402 in the Bali waters.

At a televised press conference on Tuesday, Commander of the Indonesian Navy's 2nd Fleet Rear Admiral Iwan Isnurwanto said the Chinese research vessel Explorer 2 has retrieved a 700 kg life raft from the seafloor near Bali.

"Vessel Tan Suo Er Hao (Explorer 2) succeeded in lifting the KRI Nanggala's life raft. We have kept it well as evidence that the ships from our friendly country had carried out their duties," Isnurwanto told a media briefing, which was also attended by the defense attaché of the Chinese embassy in Jakarta, Chen Yongjing.

The life raft was buried in the mud before being retrieved, Isnurwanto said.

Other objects lifted by the Chinese vessel included the submarine's antenna, the torpedo cable protector on the vertical rudder, the hydrophone in the bow, and the guidebook.

"No other major parts have been lifted yet, such as the bow section, sail section, and stern section," Isnurwanto said.



When they fund the life raft its already covered by mud (severated from the escape hatch) thats mean she crush deep and then hit the ocean floor

I heard the deadline of this recovery is until May 26th , but im not sure it will be all finished when the time comes

edit* i forgot the source but i recall its from local media

 

[this is crunch]

 

[NEKO]

Sunken Indonesian submarine's life raft lifted with assistance of Chinese navy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

JAKARTA, May 18 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian Navy, with the assistance of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, has managed to lift a life raft and other fragments belonging to the sunken Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala-402 in the Bali waters.

At a televised press conference on Tuesday, Commander of the Indonesian Navy's 2nd Fleet Rear Admiral Iwan Isnurwanto said the Chinese research vessel Explorer 2 has retrieved a 700 kg life raft from the seafloor near Bali.

"Vessel Tan Suo Er Hao (Explorer 2) succeeded in lifting the KRI Nanggala's life raft. We have kept it well as evidence that the ships from our friendly country had carried out their duties," Isnurwanto told a media briefing, which was also attended by the defense attaché of the Chinese embassy in Jakarta, Chen Yongjing.

The life raft was buried in the mud before being retrieved, Isnurwanto said.

Other objects lifted by the Chinese vessel included the submarine's antenna, the torpedo cable protector on the vertical rudder, the hydrophone in the bow, and the guidebook.

"No other major parts have been lifted yet, such as the bow section, sail section, and stern section," Isnurwanto said.



When they fund the life raft its already covered by mud (severated from the escape hatch) thats mean she crush deep and then hit the ocean floor

I hope all the important document can be secured, we should watch the salvage operation carefully preventing those ppl doing some sneaky sneaky.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Sunken Indonesian submarine's life raft lifted with assistance of Chinese navy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

JAKARTA, May 18 (Xinhua) -- The Indonesian Navy, with the assistance of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, has managed to lift a life raft and other fragments belonging to the sunken Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala-402 in the Bali waters.

At a televised press conference on Tuesday, Commander of the Indonesian Navy's 2nd Fleet Rear Admiral Iwan Isnurwanto said the Chinese research vessel Explorer 2 has retrieved a 700 kg life raft from the seafloor near Bali.

"Vessel Tan Suo Er Hao (Explorer 2) succeeded in lifting the KRI Nanggala's life raft. We have kept it well as evidence that the ships from our friendly country had carried out their duties," Isnurwanto told a media briefing, which was also attended by the defense attaché of the Chinese embassy in Jakarta, Chen Yongjing.

The life raft was buried in the mud before being retrieved, Isnurwanto said.

Other objects lifted by the Chinese vessel included the submarine's antenna, the torpedo cable protector on the vertical rudder, the hydrophone in the bow, and the guidebook.

"No other major parts have been lifted yet, such as the bow section, sail section, and stern section," Isnurwanto said.



When they fund the life raft its already covered by mud (severated from the escape hatch) thats mean she crush deep and then hit the ocean floor

China has been generous

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Delima Jaya is only a karoseri company, their role can be replaced by other karoseri company to make those MLRS. It is not them who make the critical component there

Thats why the goverment should make a policy to allow private owned company to have bigger part in defence industries.

 

[Madokafc]

Japan looks to introduce finance system for defence exports​

by Jon Grevatt



The government of Japan is reportedly looking into the possibility of supporting defence exports through the provision of low-interest loans.

The plan would involve the state-owned Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) providing credit to potential customers.

Government sources cited by Japanese media said the loans would enable developing countries with a shortfall in funding to procure defence equipment from Japan. The government’s official export credit agency, Nippon Export and Investment Insurance (NEXI), would support the loans.

Japan is understood to be seeking to establish a framework that can provide financial support for defence exports, including a potential sale of Japan’s 30FFM-class frigate (pictured) to Indonesia. (Mitsui E&S)
Contacted by Janes, JBIC and NEXI have not commented on the reports.

However, Janes understands that the potential move is aligned with a Japanese government effort to introduce a formal framework to financially support defence exports.

Government officials have previously told Janes that such a move would be consistent with trends in other exporting countries and would support Japan’s strategy to bolster security ties with international partners. The security aspect is considered a priority, especially in Japan’s alliances in Southeast Asia.

The intention was outlined in Tokyo’s ‘Defense of Japan 2020’ White Paper, which stated that the government will work on “necessary improvements in [the] implementation of related rules for promoting appropriate overseas transfers of defence equipment”.

In the past Japan has provided support for exports of security equipment through its Official Development Assistance (ODA) mechanism, which is run by the government’s Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).



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Japan looks to introduce finance system for defence exports

The government of Japan is reportedly looking into the possibility of supporting defence exports through the provision of low-interest loans.

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Look like some country asking generous loan for large Defense deal

 

[Indos]

Thats why the goverment should make a policy to allow private owned company to have bigger part in defence industries.

Government has already opened more if you check Omnibus Law, even they are now allowing foreign defense company to invest here.

 

[R4duga]

looks like our KCR will get some russian teeth upgrade operational soon enough .

 

[Madokafc]

Government has already opened more if you check Omnibus Law, even they are now allowing foreign defense company to invest here.

Omnibus or not as long as government doesn't put sufficient budget for Defense spending especially for development and acquisition of major arms, there is no incentive for them to do business at all.

 

[this is crunch]

looks like our KCR will get some russian teeth upgrade operational soon enough .

wha.. how, the 57mm cannon kah?

 

[R4duga]

someone already posted the photo in alutsista indonesia just recently .

https://web.facebook.com/groups/alutsistaindonesia/permalink/10157670529666504/