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indonesian , pakistani and azerbaijani representative attend the atmaca anti ship missile live firing demonstration.

"When asked about the evaluations of foreign military representatives who watched the shooting test, Murat Iki said that he had guests from Pakistan, Azerbaijan and Indonesia during the shooting test."
 

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Then it would be moved into domestic political bargain scenario. It depends how much political bargaining chip Mindef can offer to other ministry? :unsure:
Anyway Im pretty sure what he said is prolly from a brainstorming session and not yet officials as there are some budgeting procedure they have to adhere and is not just as easy as agreeing budget allocation then kemenkeu follow up the request immedietly, doesnt work like that. And in this kind of situation where budget cut is to be expected Im pretty sure other kementrian would be reluctant to do it.
 

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Then it would be moved into domestic political bargain scenario. It depends how much political bargaining chip Mindef can offer to other ministry? :unsure:
Anyway Im pretty sure what he said is prolly from a brainstorming session and not yet officials as there are some budgeting procedure they have to adhere and is not just as easy as agreeing budget allocation then kemenkeu follow up the request immedietly, doesnt work like that. And in this kind of situation where budget cut is to be expected Im pretty sure other kementrian would be reluctant to do it.

Mr 08 as former rival of Jokowi hold tremendeous political bargaining power within the cabinet, btw they should request the budget for the next year and the money being available at least in 2023 or late year of 2022 after amendment of 2022 Budget
 

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indonesian , pakistani and azerbaijani representative attend the atmaca anti ship missile live firing demonstration.

"When asked about the evaluations of foreign military representatives who watched the shooting test, Murat Iki said that he had guests from Pakistan, Azerbaijan and Indonesia during the shooting test."
We should treat the offering very carefully. I'm not saying the missile is bad or something (it's a brand-new type of missile). 🇵🇰 is a very close ally if not client state of 🇨🇳. And do remember against whom we intend to use that missile if we ever decide to procure them.
 

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We should treat the offering very carefully. I'm not saying the missile is bad or something (it's a brand-new type of missile). 🇵🇰 is a very close ally if not client state of 🇨🇳. And do remember against whom we intend to use that missile if we ever decide to procure them.
Pakistan is not involving in that project, neither they did order it as of now.
 

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Mr 08 as former rival of Jokowi hold tremendeous political bargaining power within the cabinet, btw they should request the budget for the next year and the money being available at least in 2023 or late year of 2022 after amendment of 2022 Budget
Doesnt look too promising for now tbh. But lets hope he can pull it thru and put an end to this kfx saga.
 

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PT Barata Indonesia (Persero) has won a new contract for the turbine component of the Java 9 and 10 Steam Power Plant Project in Cilegon worth Rp. 187 billion. In this national strategic project, Barata Indonesia supplies the main components of a steam turbine with a total capacity of 2x1000MW.

"We are also proud to continue to take part in national strategic projects by supplying the main components of turbines whose quality has been recognized to five continents," said Bobby.
 
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KN SAR 249 Permadi Basarnas​

New Indonesia Search & Rescue ship For Surabaya, East Java

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The above mentioned Gas Turbine component is a Silo-type combustion chamber for gas turbine. Whilst, for steam turbine component is the condenser housing's outer wall at the outlet of the steam turbine it self.
Hopefully in the future can manufacture the axial compressor & turbine section, as it is the most precision and complex design section.
 

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The above mentioned Gas Turbine component is a Silo-type combustion chamber for gas turbine. Whilst, for steam turbine component is the condenser housing's outer wall at the outlet of the steam turbine it self.
Hopefully in the future can manufacture the axial compressor & turbine section, as it is the most precision and complex design section.
i honestly don't understand in depth about turbine stuff (the only propulsion i have ever worked was my father 12 years old suzuki panther engine that would engulf the entire neighbourhood with strong diesel odour when warming up the engine) , but regarding the one statement that i bold on your quote , we need to expertise in metallurgy for such component right , or we can just import the processed metal needed for that component and manufactured it here ?
 

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The above mentioned Gas Turbine component is a Silo-type combustion chamber for gas turbine. Whilst, for steam turbine component is the condenser housing's outer wall at the outlet of the steam turbine it self.
Hopefully in the future can manufacture the axial compressor & turbine section, as it is the most precision and complex design section.

Do you mean this one ?

PT Barata Indonesia (Persero) exported turbine components for power plants produced by the Turbine Component Plant – Power Plant Division, Monday (11/11).

The product being exported this time was a Condenser (with Axial Exhausting System) with the destination country of Bangladesh. This power plant component will be used for the 400 MW Ashuganj PLTGU PLTGU project to replace the existing 150 MW PLTU capacity.

The 400 MW PLTGU Ashuganj PLTGU Combined Power Plan is planned to produce an efficiency of up to 58.76%. The power plant which will start operating in April 2021 is expected to support the Bangladesh government program in providing an increase in electricity supply of up to 20,000 MW for the entire territory of Bangladesh.

In this project, Barata Indonesia undertook the work of making condensers for 10 months by absorbing 7500 working hours

 

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i honestly don't understand in depth about turbine stuff (the only propulsion i have ever worked was my father 12 years old suzuki panther engine that would engulf the entire neighbourhood with strong diesel odour when warming up the engine) , but regarding the one statement that i bold on your quote , we need to expertise in metallurgy for such component right , or we can just import the processed metal needed for that component and manufactured it here ?
Yes indeed, for the utmost secrecy things between gas turbine's manufacturer in their product is the alloys that they are used.

The Aerodynamic, thermodynamic, as well as rotor dynamic of gas turbine are the things we can pursue and optimized even by our own endeavor ( not to mentioned with sophisticated state of the art software technologies available in the market for computational design and modelling ).

The main limitation in designing or developing more advance gas turbine are the material technology and the turbine cooling technology. We could have designed in the paper more efficient gas turbine, for example, by increase more compressor pressure ratio and burn it the higher temperature. But, what materials or alloy can withstand such higher temperature ? (concerning the current firing temperature is already high, let say 1200 -1400 Celcius), how to design the turbine blades and disc cooling path so that it can run in a long periods of time?( we are talking about 30,000 - 40,000 hours of operation), not just in hundreds of hours of operation than it will disintegrates .

The alloy at all section will be expand and shrink, back and forth, in a wide range of temperature ( from ambient temperature to over thousands of degree Celcius) as the engine will be in start/stop frequently. Designing such highly precision "fit and clearance" dimension all over the parts of gas turbine is already a big headache

What I can see from pictures above from Barata, we still have very limited expertise in the making of gas turbine, as it just capable in manufacturing "the skin" by far, whilst the "flesh and blood" and to "the bones" of the gas turbine it self still out of reach by us.

Like I was written on my previous postings, gas turbine is not a rocket science....it is more than a rocket science.
 

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The Power Division, through the Turbine Component Factory in Cilegon, exported power plant components on Friday, April 16, 2021. This time, PT Barata Indonesia (Persero) exported the components of the Silo Combustion Chamber power plant to Zhoushan, China.

The main component of the gas turbine (Combustion Chamber) will be used in Zhejiang Petrochemical Co.'s Zhoushan GT 20 project. Ltd. Do you know #baratizen, all components are made using high quality steel raw materials supplied by local companies. This is in line with the company's mission to continue to improve the competitiveness of the national manufacturing industry through a commitment to the use of high local content.

 

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