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Jordanians cooperate not only with Israel. He closed his airspace to Iran, “forgetting” to do so for the “coalition.” Saudi Arabia did the same. There is nothing to say about Syria and Iraq. Nobody will ask them anything.
This “coalition” includes not only Western countries. They were also joined by the Saudis and their local allies. There can be no talk of any Muslim unity. There is not mistrust between them, but real enmity. After the missile attack, Riyadh called Iran not a brother, but a sponsor of terrorism that interferes with Saudi Arabia's cooperation with Israel.
None of the major Muslim countries openly supported Iran. The strongest political support came from... Russia (for a well-known reason) “the greatest friend of Muslims” (and in fact their greatest enemy, along with the USA, China, France, India and several others).
The smallest of the Muslim countries, Azerbaijan, acted “very wisely” by calling on the warring parties for world peace :)
Turkey and Pakistan cannot support Tehran not because Iran has repeatedly threatened the former because of NATO bases on its territory, and most recently staged a bombing duel with the latter. But because Iran, by definition, cannot be the connecting center of the so-called Muslim world.
Who else is here?
“Land of the Pharaohs” - with feet and hands tied at Camp David...
The largest of them, Indonesia, continued to conduct secret negotiations with Israel right during the bombing of the Gaza Strip. And his “representative” on our forum, dear Gary, did not stop talking about the chimera called “unity of the Muslim world,” continuing his inconsolable serenade under Putin’s window:)

The biggest problem is Muslims not willing to see the reality, they get caught up in ideology and what happens is fantasy is pursued. Once you get caught up in ideology instead of reality, your pretty much done for.
 

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Jordanians cooperate not only with Israel. He closed his airspace to Iran, “forgetting” to do so for the “coalition.” Saudi Arabia did the same. There is nothing to say about Syria and Iraq. Nobody will ask them anything.
This “coalition” includes not only Western countries. They were also joined by the Saudis and their local allies. There can be no talk of any Muslim unity. There is not mistrust between them, but real enmity. After the missile attack, Riyadh called Iran not a brother, but a sponsor of terrorism that interferes with Saudi Arabia's cooperation with Israel.
None of the major Muslim countries openly supported Iran. The strongest political support came from... Russia (for a well-known reason) “the greatest friend of Muslims” (and in fact their greatest enemy, along with the USA, China, France, India and several others).
The smallest of the Muslim countries, Azerbaijan, acted “very wisely” by calling on the warring parties for world peace :)
Turkey and Pakistan cannot support Tehran not because Iran has repeatedly threatened the former because of NATO bases on its territory, and most recently staged a bombing duel with the latter. But because Iran, by definition, cannot be the connecting center of the so-called Muslim world.
Who else is here?
“Land of the Pharaohs” - with feet and hands tied at Camp David...
The largest of them, Indonesia, continued to conduct secret negotiations with Israel right during the bombing of the Gaza Strip. And his “representative” on our forum, dear Gary, did not stop talking about the chimera called “unity of the Muslim world,” continuing his inconsolable serenade under Putin’s window:)
You obviously doesn't understand an Indonesian psyche and mentality . Pragmatism was always the core of our mentality .
Right now ....we are standing in a very peculiar and akward juncture ...
As a sunni moslem majority country . It's in our best interest to see the zionist and mullah beat each other's out and get weakened in due process . Yet , we have to see things on the big pictures here ...
Liked or not ...US is the deal maker here ( at present ) . Everyone else is nothing but distortion noise in the background . And israel only exist because US backing and protection . Without it they ceased to exist .
Some might stilll in denial . But , US decline was allready in the making and it is in our best interest too to see the US gradual weakening happen in the very controlled manner so our interest in the pacific region were guaranteed and bussines/prosperity receives as litle shocks as possible . When US stop being the hegemon Israel's problem would cease to exist too . Hence 2 birds with no stone at all....
Compound that with our miniscule accumulation power at present ( economic and militarily ) it's in our best interest too to stay on low profile and keep accumulates things . After all it's always the loudest barking dog that never bites .

#until today .. any political entity ( unless gusdur ) who are wiilling to make a contact with Israel is simply looking for a political suicide ....not even JKW willing to entertain such idea .

So what is the god dam hold up here ??
 
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They are not capable to attack that distances, they are waiting untill a foreigner power is helping them out.
They actually can. But they could not sustain those attacks.

Not with thousands of Iranian ballistic missile that will be raining their way every time they want to execute something as complex and risky as an long distance air strike.
 

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we should stop that early warning system in turkey that provides help for israel..

we heared and felt many stupid things against us we should use that and shut it up.. for one week
 

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They actually can. But they could not sustain those attacks.

Not with thousands of Iranian ballistic missile that will be raining their way every time they want to execute something as complex and risky as an long distance air strike.


Not really, in order to hit Iran hard they will need to use a lot of fighters. You can not fly low everybody have smartphones so. /fly high is radar can see you, only thing they can do is attacking with ther long range alcm or harpy. AND I DOUBT they have the amount off ammunitions.
 

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USA 🇺🇸 House of Representatives unveiled a new military aid bill for Israel 🇮🇱 today. It also contains billions in humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza 🇵🇸. The text of the bill is long, so here are the highlights.

- $4.4 Billion usd in Drawdown authority for Israel 🇮🇱. This is for all forms of military aid that will be taken directly from exisiting U.S. stockpiles for Ukraine.

- $4 Billion usd for the procurement of additional Iron Dome and David's Sling air defense systems and associated interceptors, for Israel 🇮🇱.

- $1.2 Billion usd for the continued procurement of Iron Beam air defense systems for Israel 🇮🇱.

- $3.5 Billion usd in foreign financing loans for Israel 🇮🇱, allowing them to buy weapons domestically or abroad. The loan is to be paid back by terms that are set by the U.S. President.

- $5.65 Billion usd in humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza 🇵🇸.

- $3.5 Billion usd in Migrant / Refugees aid for the people of Gaza 🇵🇸.

The remainder of the bill is additional money for the USA 🇺🇸 to restock their own military supplies and to further fund their own military assets in the region.
 

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You obviously doesn't understand an Indonesian psyche and mentality . Pragmatism was always the core of our mentality .
Right now ....we are standing in a very peculiar and akward juncture ...
As a sunni moslem majority country . It's in our best interest to see the zionist and mullah beat each other's out and get weakened in due process . Yet , we have to see things on the big pictures here ...
Liked or not ...US is the deal maker here ( at present ) . Everyone else is nothing but distortion noise in the background . And israel only exist because US backing and protection . Without it they ceased to exist .
Some might stilll in denial . But , US decline was allready in the making and it is in our best interest too to see the US gradual weakening happen in the very controlled manner so our interest in the pacific region were guaranteed and bussines/prosperity receives as litle shocks as possible . When US stop being the hegemon Israel's problem would cease to exist too . Hence 2 birds with no stone at all....
Compound that with our miniscule accumulation power at present ( economic and militarily ) it's in our best interest too to stay on low profile and keep accumulates things . After all it's always the loudest barking dog that never bites .

#until today .. any political entity ( unless gusdur ) who are wiilling to make a contact with Israel is simply looking for a political suicide ....not even JKW willing to entertain such idea .


So what is the god dam hold up here ??
Maybe you're right. I have never studied Indonesia and am completely unfamiliar with your region and its geopolitics. You are very far from a very important (in our opinion) part of Eurasia, where historically important events have taken place since time immemorial.
We, the countries of Western Asia, are at the crossroads of two different civilizations and are always the first to be attacked from the opposite side.
I understand and accept your criticism.

But my caustic jokes about your compatriot Gary will certainly continue :)
 

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Maybe you're right. I have never studied Indonesia and am completely unfamiliar with your region and its geopolitics. You are very far from a very important (in our opinion) part of Eurasia, where historically important events have taken place since time immemorial.
We, the countries of Western Asia, are at the crossroads of two different civilizations and are always the first to be attacked from the opposite side.
I understand and accept your criticism.

Yes, everybody think they are the middle Kindom, lol. As for last several hundreds years, more war has taken place in Europe.

Since ww2 South/East and Southeast Asia is more stable on average than ME. We would like to keep it this way. But the focal point of the next great power competition is Indo-pacific. Even BD is feeling its heat.
 

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Maybe you're right. I have never studied Indonesia and am completely unfamiliar with your region and its geopolitics. You are very far from a very important (in our opinion) part of Eurasia, where historically important events have taken place since time immemorial.
We, the countries of Western Asia, are at the crossroads of two different civilizations and are always the first to be attacked from the opposite side.
I understand and accept your criticism.

But my caustic jokes about your compatriot Gary will certainly continue :)
We are a fairly young nation . Amalgations of the downtrodden and subjugated people . Hence , our pragmatism spirit because there is strength in numbers . Never again we would put our live and fate in the mercy of other . We will carve our own fate and fortunes by our own hands not beholden to any of foreign power .

And trust me ....by the Indonesian moslem's standard . Gary is a moderates . You havem't seen the craziest one.
 

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You obviously doesn't understand an Indonesian psyche and mentality . Pragmatism was always the core of our mentality .
Right now ....we are standing in a very peculiar and akward juncture ...
As a sunni moslem majority country . It's in our best interest to see the zionist and mullah beat each other's out and get weakened in due process . Yet , we have to see things on the big pictures here ...
Liked or not ...US is the deal maker here ( at present ) . Everyone else is nothing but distortion noise in the background . And israel only exist because US backing and protection . Without it they ceased to exist .
Some might stilll in denial . But , US decline was allready in the making and it is in our best interest too to see the US gradual weakening happen in the very controlled manner so our interest in the pacific region were guaranteed and bussines/prosperity receives as litle shocks as possible . When US stop being the hegemon Israel's problem would cease to exist too . Hence 2 birds with no stone at all....
Compound that with our miniscule accumulation power at present ( economic and militarily ) it's in our best interest too to stay on low profile and keep accumulates things . After all it's always the loudest barking dog that never bites .

#until today .. any political entity ( unless gusdur ) who are wiilling to make a contact with Israel is simply looking for a political suicide ....not even JKW willing to entertain such idea .


So what is the god dam hold up here ??

Yeah you got to pick your battles wisely. This is how the long game is won. If you drag your nation into every conflict for the sake of emotion, in most cases whatever short term gains you make will mean nothing in the long term cost.

For Turkey to win the long game, its really about keeping our heads low enough for long enough to become mostly self efficient in domestic industry. Once we got our ourforce and layered air defence systems, things can change dramatically. And i know the Turkish mindset, the moment Turks feel they can move they will.

Ironically this is something Isreal has been exceptionally successful at for most of their history. Despite openly revealing that they see all Muslims as their enemies and not a week passes without a zionist talking about greater isreal. They been very good at being on good terms and then hostile with the same nations depending on the circumstances. If tomorrow Isreal wars with Iran, they will make sure to put nations like Egypt and Turkey on good terms. If they went to war with Turkey, they would make sure that things are good with Iran.

Another example of the measured approach they take, sell Azerbaijan weapons in order to help her succeed against the Iranian axis, while at the same time zionist media will never talk about the plight of Azerbaijan Turks in norther Iran. For them Azerbaijan being separate from Iran is good. But they would never hope to see Turks of Azerbaijan rise up and demand independence the same way they propagate it for kurds. Because then they fear a united 40 milion Azerbaijani Turks would form with Turkey, hence meaning they ended up creating a far bigger threat to Isreali ambitions long term, then Iran could ever be.

And there is nothing wrong with Azerbaijan doing this, you got to do what brings you results. But at the same time Azerbaijan should also beware of the ambitions of said nation. It could also be that Isreal knew with Turkish support Azerbaijan would win, that it was better to been seen part of it, then to have sat outside of it and allow Turkey even more influence within Azerbaijan.

And its something that shouldn't be ignored, Isreal is basically a vassal of western imperial interests. To deal with Isreal you have to be able to deal with the US/UK at a minimum.
 
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