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The IDF doesnt have the guts for a ground operation in Gaza, otherwise they would be there a long time ago.

Israel will push the US marines in Gaza, or they will just attack from the air.

Israeli ground operations are almost never a success without help from a third party.

Regarding guts, I'll leave it to the 360,000 or so IDF troop+reservists to figure out if they have the stomach to do so. I'm more interested in their preparations.

The last time IDF engaged in mass Urban warfare was in 2014, that's 9 years ago. And they left after 2 weeks. In comparison, leading up to Mosul, the Iraqi Army has engaged in at least 4 separate campaigns of urban warfare during the two years the Iraqi army left:

-Baiji campaign
-Ramadi campaign
-Tikrit campaign
-Fallujah campaign

Each were bloody on its own, and casualties were in the thousands for both sides, and when the Mosul campaign started, the Iraqi army was still prone to mistakes. The IDF not only doesn't have its own preparatory campaign, but most of the time their ground troops spent their time harassing teens in the West Bank.

Mosul took 9 months 2 weeks to conclude, against ISIS troops amounting to a brigade size (6000) defender against an entire army of 100,000+ Iraqi-Kurdish forces. That's a force ratio of 1:17. In Gaza, Hamas has 7x times that against 360.000 or so IDF amounting to 1:8 defenders: attackers ratio. ISIS has 2 years to prepare, Hamas has 17.

that and smuggling networks to and from Egypt to keep food, ammo, and supplies, prolonging combat. It also helps that Israel has spent the last 2 weeks killing children and women which surprisingly could lead to :

  1. Increase pools of potential recruits
  2. reduced burden for Gaza's authority trying to keep besieged people fed.
Many of the deaths are children and women, the men left behind by those would likely join force with Hamas. When men lose everything, they tend to fight like lions. So its interesting times we're looking up forward.
 
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The US has 500.000 homeless people (60.000 of them are veterans), but hell no, just give billions to Ukraine and Israel, the two biggest money toilets of the world.

Guess what? Both leaders of Ukraine and Israel are from the same tribe. What a coinsedence.

Regarding Ukraine, before the war in Gaza, they could not gain many people sympathizing with them other than the usual suspects from a select part of the world (US, Europe, Japan) after this and the public display their leadership on the issue and their online supporters cheering for the Zionists, I suspect many people around the world will rally more with Putin, especially from Muslims majority countries.

Not saying that Putin doesn't have Muslim blood in his hands (he did), but Ukraine (and their online supporters) really shows to everyone that they don't deserve the sympathy themselves. And they choose now, to openly symapthize with bombings when they themselves are target of Russian bombing campaign.

Here's the typical Ukrainian supporter when they saw the image of a Palestinian mother holding her dead baby

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Regarding Ukraine, before the war in Gaza, they could not gain many people sympathizing with them other than the usual suspects from a select part of the world (US, Europe, Japan) after this and the public display their leadership on the issue and their online supporters cheering for the Zionists, I suspect many people around the world will rally more with Putin, especially from Muslims majority countries.

Not saying that Putin doesn't have Muslim blood in his hands (he did), but Ukraine (and their online supporters) really shows to everyone that they don't deserve the sympathy themselves. And they choose now, to openly symapthize with bombings when they themselves are target of Russian bombing campaign.

Here's the typical Ukrainian supporter when they saw the image of a Palestinian mother holding her dead baby

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If Ukrainian supporters are telling Palestinians to leave why dont they tell Ukrainians to leave most of their lands too lmaoooo
 

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If Ukrainian supporters are telling Palestinians to leave why dont they tell Ukrainians to leave most of their lands too lmaoooo

Hypocrites, but I'm not surprised.

You know what surprises me? Muslims and Arabs deciding its cool to side with the Israelis or even try to play neutral. You see these Europeans when their kins in Ukraine are attacked, they throw away their masks of fake humanity and civility, and suddenly they openly call for the killings of Russians, expulsions from sports etc. But you see today Muslims and Arabs are trying thier best to stay neutral when their kins are killed.

Some of those people you could readily see here in this forum. And I'm disgusted more at them than even the Israelis.
 

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Thats why i hope almost that Russia invades and annex the whole Ukraine, i say almost because our Republic has a lot of weaponproduction deals going on with Ukraine and the Russians will destroy that.

But they lost every sympathy with their cheerleader actions on Tiktok.

When you are a target of massive bombing campaigns and the victim of a invading force (*Russia*), BUT your political elites show support and sympathy (*because they are from the same tribe, Zelensky and NuttyYahoo*) for another genocidial invader miles away (*Israel*) thats killing kids and women indiscriminately, and you as people dont reject this, but even support his statements, than you are done for me forever.
 
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If Ukrainian supporters are telling Palestinians to leave why dont they tell Ukrainians to leave most of their lands too lmaoooo
10 million people moved from East to west. Wasn't it enough? Ukraine lost a lot.
 

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Thats why i hope almost that Russia invades and annex the whole Ukraine, i say almost because our Republic has a lot of weaponproduction deals going on with Ukraine and the Russians will destroy that.

But they lost every sympathy with their cheerleader actions on Tiktok.

When you are a target of massive bombing campaigns and the victim of a invading force (*Russia*), BUT your political elites show support and sympathy (*because they are from the same tribe, Zelensky and NuttyYahoo*) for another genocidial invader miles away (*Israel*) thats killing kids and women indiscriminately, and you as people dont reject this, but even support his statements, than you are done for me forever.

Russians killed so many Muslims I mean my ancestors mainly fathers side come from Crimea by the way.

Russians were just so brutal and ruthless.

Even if Ukraine supports Israel I dont think we should go and support Russia.
 

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Regarding Ukraine, before the war in Gaza, they could not gain many people sympathizing with them other than the usual suspects from a select part of the world (US, Europe, Japan) after this and the public display their leadership on the issue and their online supporters cheering for the Zionists, I suspect many people around the world will rally more with Putin, especially from Muslims majority countries.

Not saying that Putin doesn't have Muslim blood in his hands (he did), but Ukraine (and their online supporters) really shows to everyone that they don't deserve the sympathy themselves. And they choose now, to openly symapthize with bombings when they themselves are target of Russian bombing campaign.

Here's the typical Ukrainian supporter when they saw the image of a Palestinian mother holding her dead baby

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Yep, being seeing these for last 2 weeks. I lost the appetite for Supporting Ukraine personally. Previously I thought it was morally right.

While I still do not condone the suffering of innocent children, women and civilians, the fact is, majority of Ukrainians and there European/American supporters will start asking for my head if something doesn't go their way. (Like we are seeing in Gaza) And will have no problem dehumanizing me and my people.

The leeson is, be careful who you cheering for!
 

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Russians killed so many Muslims I mean my ancestors mainly fathers side come from Crimea by the way.

Russians were just so brutal and ruthless.

Even if Ukraine supports Israel I dont think we should go and support Russia.

Nobody should support Russia, hell, anyone who follows wars in Syria knows what is the worth of anything the Kremlin spew.

You (or maybe Erdogan) just need to understand that maybe it's time to reconsider your support to Ukraine. I know that the Republic of Turkey supplied some high tech military equipment for free to Ukraine so does Pakistan with its ammunitions.

Maybe stopping those would amount to better use to pressure the West rather than empty rhetorics.
 

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Even if Ukraine supports Israel I dont think we should go and support Russia.
Brother, I'm sure you know the First Rule of Geo-Politics - No one is actually a friend.

People support Russia because it's the only Nation that is fighting against western power. West is pretty much united.

Asians are not in unity, so are not Africans and Arab nations. Turk, Farsi, Arab, Misri, Chinese, Russian, Indian they are all alone. They don't have any kind or form of millitary unity. And the west made sure of it that they should not achive unity.
 
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Its like asking Ukrainians to leave Kiev and Odessa.
Palestine doesn't consist of North GAZA. There is Westbank. And most of population live there . Ukraine lost crowded big industrial major cities Donesk, Lugansk, Kherson, Mariopol, Melitopol, Simferopol etc. Most of population lived in the East. And the industry and agriculture and money were in the East. Your comparison is irrevelant so No need to involve American-hate.


On the other hand i immensely feel the fear of Palestinian children. Palestinian parents must bring children to Egypt -İsrael border. There is nothing important then lives of children.

Children must be saved.
All adults can choose to be killed but children.



🛑“We need the blood of the women, children and elderly of Gaza to awaken the revolutionary spirit”❗

These are the words of one of the leaders of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh.

The awakener of the “spirit of revolution” is a dollar millionaire and lives in Qatar but background photo Qudus.

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The leeson is, be careful who you cheering for!

Thinking about it, at some point in time I even floated the idea the Indonesian government should send our fleet of Su-27/30. Now I'm glad not a single bullet is sent.

Maybe "Indonesian NAFO" should think deeply if they still want to play the larping games lol, seen a lot of non Western NAFO accounts popping up this last year or so.
 
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10 million people moved from East to west. Wasn't it enough? Ukraine lost a lot.

They have lost too many ... Which beg in question how could they are not gravitates toward the palestinian plight ?? As it was their own plight !! They have tasted ot in flesh !! ... But , i concurs , as a client . Even if it burns you out to oblivion you still have to follow your patron after all . Money talks !


Russians killed so many Muslims I mean my ancestors mainly fathers side come from Crimea by the way.

Russians were just so brutal and ruthless.

Even if Ukraine supports Israel I dont think we should go and support Russia.

This is allready a very ideal situation . Let the russian bleeds while the west go for broke . On the contrary ...i think turkey should sell as much you armament product ( never donates again tho' ) it's killing two bird with a single stone .

It's tragic with what happening to the palestinians . While most of us couldn't do much . the least we could do is ..... Not getting in the way of helping hands ...
 
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