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Correction.....it's a war between a nation and some terrorist squatters, Israel vs terrorists,that's why the special operation in Gaza is a cleaning operation....pkk=hamas=isis

It depends on how you see it. These concept of "nation" states are fairly new. Most of the time and realistically, it's a war between values and people, not between a recognized UN member or not. the concept of nation state fool people that one struggle is legit while the other is not.

Israel stems form the Hagana, a terrorist organization, when Indonesia fought for its independence, the Dutch label us 'terroristenbende" Or terrorist gang. It doesn't matter much in the end.

What matters most is the end, and Israel is on a borrowed time when it comes to deciding what is the end for them.
 

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So much pro-Israel Turks on Twitter. Are they really brainwashed or just bots?

Because it's war between values and faith, not nation's. The contest for Palestine is pretty much a contest between Islam and the Judeo Christian West. It's the fundamental issue.

It is natural, whatever national ID card people hold on, their support will depend on how they see themselves.

The Christians and Liberals in Indonesia for example, support Israel out of hatred to Islam, the one in your country could be doing it because they dislike political Islam, and Palestine is in the end a political Islam issue, even though one of them (Fatah) is secular. In America and the West, their support stems from the fact that Israel is a white settler project, that must be defended by...whites.

So I fail to see why people still come up with statements that this is just mere issue between the two nations of Palestine and Israel when their supporters pretty much defended them with arguments that stems from conflicting faith.
 
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Reminds me of a scene from Kingdom of Heaven.
"The muslims will never forget"

Yup we will never forget about what happened to the Palestinians.

Saladin did an error when he entered Jerusalem. He let the crusaders and their families go unscathed when the city surrenders, failing to avenge the blood of Muslims 80 years earlier. His error is only forgiven because he's the one who recaptured the city.

The next Saladin to emerge from this religion must not do the same mistake.
 

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Saladin did an error when he entered Jerusalem. He let the crusaders and their families go unscathed when the city surrenders, failing to avenge the blood of Muslims 80 years earlier. His error is only forgiven because he's the one who recaptured the city.

The next Saladin to emerge from this religion must not do the same mistake.
Hmm.. I agree with him on that one tho.
 

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Correction.....it's a war between a nation and some terrorist squatters, Israel vs terrorists,that's why the special operation in Gaza is a cleaning operation....pkk=hamas=isis
Well you could say it like that, for decades its a war between Palestine nation vs zionist terrorist that creates a country within Palestine.
 
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yeah its also why i dont carried away when people talk about the number of muslims, the quality of those muslims its whats important. You could have 10 billion in the current frame of what we have now and it wouldn't mean much.

From a Turkish perspective Muslims have for the most part been far more supportive of our enemies then us. I can't really think of any significant issue in recent history where the "muslim world" got together and helped us. In a serious conflict like Cyprus and Azerbaijan, 95% of all Muslims states either helped our enemy or more typically didn't care and did nothing. Ironically even today in Palestine as Muslims generally do nothing, most of the world is focussed on attacking Turkey for not doing anything.

In fact what they do is they find a small excuse to justify their inaction or their support of the enemy. So with Azerbaijan it was because she was buying weapons from Isreal. With Cyprus its because Turks are secular they gone against the deen etc. That mindset unfortunately leaves them alone to get destroyed and humilated anytime a serious non Muslim army decides to show up.

Simply creating uneducated fanatical brainwashed as children into future head choppers who hide in tunnels like rats is not ever really going to achieve anything substantial, yeah it will cause problems to the state they reside in but its never going to defeat that state. Even if it defeats the state these radicals, these fanatics can run no successful state.

Even in things like the east med, the majority of Arab states have sided with isreal/greece/eu against us. On top of this we don't see the wider Muslim world saying anything to support us against their imperial transgressions. We see it from Azerbaijan, we see it to a degree with the Turkic states. In general Pakistan tows the Turkish line on most things, but outside of that we see nothing. Zero.

When was the last time you see an Arab state talk about the rights of Turkish Cypriots for example?

Muslims also fail to understand history, they collectively see it as Muslim history when in reality much of the power and imperial might of the Muslim world for the past 1000 years was held by the Turks. This isn't an ego thing, buts its a reality that if Muslims recognise they will understand that salvation lay in supporting Turkey, if Turks grow in power Muslims will end up being defended by that power globally.

Even the Ottoman Turks early on recognised for example that the Balkan peoples were hell of a lot tougher and hell of a lot better fighters then much of their Muslim subjects. A small example of this was Napoleons invasion of the Ottoman empire, who did they send to lead the army to confront it? A Bosnian, who leading the Ottomans would go on to defeat at that time the single greater power in Europe, giving Napoleon his first major defeat.

There was millions of Muslims in that region, but it sultan decided on sending a Muslim from the Balkans to deal with it.

The Arab Ummah reaping what they sow, Allah's ultimate punishment is that they live forever under the butcher's knife of the kafir.
 

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I see a lot of laughable nationalist rhetoric here LMAO. Palestine and Gaza will not be freed under any of the existing nationalist movement be it Arabs, Turks, Iranian, Moors, Indonesian etc. As if the Arabs nationalist movement of the mid 20th century hadn't taught people anything, nationalist/ethnic based movement and hype towards the liberation of Palestine will eventually died out or even worse (like the case of Egypt) switch side to the zionists.

Am going to be blunt here. None of any nationalist movement will have what it takes to persevere simply because nationalism is an idea built upon the craving of a piece of land/ethnicity, Palestine is not an issue about land and ethnicity but faith and religion. So save us the "the Muslim world will be fine if particular (insert ethnicity) towers upon the other". The two previous rulers who take that land (Umar and Saladin) did so not under the concept of the superiority of nations and nation state, but the superiority of faith.

Had Saladin fought for Kurdish superiority and Kurdish homeland and Kurdish enlightment (lo) in mind. This event would not happen.

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The Arab Ummah reaping what they sow, Allah's ultimate punishment is that they live forever under the butcher's knife of the kafir.

All the problems facing the "collective peoples" who make up Islamic society can be resolved within 50 years, all they have to do is support Turkey. Buy Turkish weapons, invest in Turkish business. On the political stage support the Turkish position on all things. If they behave this way, with the Turkish mindset it will be easy to send an army to any corner to defend Muslims.

That's easy solution to the problems facing the peoples of islam.
 

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I see a lot of laughable nationalist rhetoric here LMAO. Palestine and Gaza will not be freed under any of the existing nationalist movement be it Arabs, Turks, Iranian, Moors, Indonesian etc. As if the Arabs nationalist movement of the mid 20th century hadn't taught people anything, nationalist/ethnic based movement and hype towards the liberation of Palestine will eventually died out or even worse (like the case of Egypt) switch side to the zionists.

Am going to be blunt here. None of any nationalist movement will have what it takes to persevere simply because nationalism is an idea built upon the craving of a piece of land/ethnicity, Palestine is not an issue about land and ethnicity but faith and religion. So save us the "the Muslim world will be fine if particular (insert ethnicity) towers upon the other". The two previous rulers who take that land (Umar and Saladin) did so not under the concept of the superiority of nations and nation state, but the superiority of faith.

Had Saladin fought for Kurdish superiority and Kurdish homeland and Kurdish enlightment (lo) in mind. This event would

Saladin did an error when he entered Jerusalem. He let the crusaders and their families go unscathed when the city surrenders, failing to avenge the blood of Muslims 80 years earlier. His error is only forgiven because he's the one who recaptured the city.

The next Saladin to emerge from this religion must not do the same mistake.

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To murder family members & those who had surrended would have be an un-Islamic act. Good thing the Muslims of yesteryear were nothing like that.
 
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You literally shill for Russia & Iran on this forum so please STFU

So ? What has it to do with Palestine ?

You mention Iran, well am going to shove this fact down your throat. Iran, being a country from a minority sect has done more to damage in material terms to Israel than all so called "Muslim majority" Sunni countries combined including your Bosnia.

I find it funny actually that people are making fun of their approach to Israel when everyone around including your Bosnia are either doing nothing, or outright collaborating with Israel.

This is not to say that Iran is sincere, but even in unsincerity, they have done more than you.

To murder family members & those who had surrended would have be an un-Islamic act. Good thing the Muslims of yesteryear where nothing like that.

How many people from Banu Qurayza betrayed the pact with Muhammad ? probably one or two

How many were killed and sold to slavery from Banu Qurayza after that treachery ? You want me to put it here, or you want to figure it out on your own ?
 
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@Bosniak Revival @Gary

Guys, please stay away from provocations. Be patient and refrain from ad-hominem. You can debate and discuss, no problem, but while discussing stay within a certain level of respect, attack the argument and not the person behind it.

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Have you ever heard about “No Thanks” app? WE can just talk or do something!
 

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The Home Front Service🇮🇱 has asked local authorities over the past 24 hours to prepare for a possible Iranian attack in the coming days. Preparations include opening public shelters and increasing the preparedness of municipal emergency services. The request included to do this “quietly” in order not to create panic among the population.
 

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