Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

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First of of all it is just a myth, that Israel was created because of Holocaust. Zionist migration started in 1880 already in Ottoman times. Bu the beginning of WW2 Jews had already de facto state. They had government, transport companies, armed forces, universities... even labor unions and philharmonic orchestra.

Secondly, what kind of punishment are you talking about? Arabs in Israel live much better than in neighbor countries. Look whats going around Israel: Lebanon - failed bankrupt state ruled by armed gangs and mafia. Syria - crazy dictator literally genocides his people. Egypt - super poor country with feudal system where army is a separate ruling caste. Jordan - also very poor country which largely survives thanks to Israel.

Dude , we treated the East timorese and west papuan as our own with all the bell whistles and everybody get stomped equally during soeharto's . Without land grabbing , their own tribal people holding the day to day administration office and etc-etc . Yet , after the perfect living example of PNG and ET abysmall achievement were presented there are always some nutjob demanding for separation for a whatever reason and ideas . You Just could never kill the aspiration of other ... especially the downtrodden one .

You just couldn't ....
The basid demand of moslem community was the 67 border . Either that or kill the rest of moslem around cleanly as fast as possible because the clock are ticking in fast for the other consequences to come knocking in due time ....

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I hear same thing about Turkey from Greeks, Armenians, Kurds. Also Arabs kill each other in much bigger numbers than Israelis simply it gets 1000 times less attention in media.
Everybody colonized and settled at some point in history, Greeks and Kurds themselves are not native to Anatolia.
But the topic is not Turkey is guess and the difference is that Israeli Palestinian conflics is regularly flaring up due to settlement politics of Israel which creates hate towards it.

But you are free to talk about all kinds of coutries in this topic for all i care, talk also about America while you are at it?
 

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Turkish MFA: "We cannot just make statements and statements. We must do more. It is time to show our unity and determination. The Ummah awaits our leadership. Turkey is ready to take all necessary measures. "


Then send a peacekeeping force.

The problem is it wont happen. Hamas and other proxy groups wont like Turkish peace keepers putting a leash on them neither would Israelis would want Turkish troops in Gaza. Dont be surprised if the Israelis target our soldiers.

Also whole thing began at Jerusalem not Gaza. Palestinians and the Jewish settlers clashed then it turned into a full blown protest which was put down with police brutality. Hamas just took the opportunity to unleash rocket attacks while Israel was happy hamas took the bait only for them to reply back with Airstrikes and perhaps a imminent operation in Gaza.
 

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And what are these foreign forces going to do in Gaza? Are they going to protects Palestinians from Israeli bombings (which is impossible) or are they going to stop Hamas from shooting rockets (which is also impossible)?

First of all nobody is going to let them settle there - for such a force you should have both sides agreeing on it.

And second: What about the West Bank and East Jerusalem?

Nothing but fairytales and dreams.
 

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If peacekeeping forces are sent to Gaza, then next time Israel makes an aggressive move those forces will be caught between angry Palestinians and the Israeli military.

They will have to fight the Palestinians to stop them from firing rockets. If the peacekeeping force fails, then the IDF will strike Gazans as like now and also maybe the peacekeeping forces too. In the end the peacekeeping force will fight the Palestinians.

This is the mistake which India did when it send peacekeepers to Sri Lanka during the Tamil conflict.
 

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Turkish MFA: "We cannot just make statements and statements. We must do more. It is time to show our unity and determination. The Ummah awaits our leadership. Turkey is ready to take all necessary measures. "


Btw this ''ummah'' obsession came with Erdogan government. He is part of ikhwanist movement. He literally uses an entire country for his ideologic obsessions.

Turkey was founded in fact opposing this idea. In Ataturks ideal Turkey was to be a modern, secular, nation state that is integrated to European civilization.

Modern Turkey was literally the anti-thesis of Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Empire was a non-industrialised theocratic decentralised absolute monarchy.

Ataturk completely took France as an example while founding Turkey. Especially French laicism was preferred over secularism. Which was basically state and church not only seperating but also state keeping church under strict control. Also French nationalism was taken as the primary example for Turkish nationalism that is everyone who is a citizen of Turkey is Turkish and the Turkish language is the language that is spoken in commercial, governmental and workplace communications. (sometimes some PKK symphatisants claim Turkey banned Kurdish but it isnt true. Only in governmental/commercial/workplace communications only Turkish was allowed just like French language law, they even make fuss about a Kurdish politician speaking Kurdish in the assembly getting criticised, well Vergennes are politicians allowed to speak any other language than French in French assembly?)

Anyway I distracted the topic. Long story short Erdogan is trying to undo this Turkish nationalism and replace it with his ummah understanding after 100 years but people just dont care about it. We are Turks and we have muslims(both sunni and alevi), atheists(like me), deists, agnostics.
Even his vote base doesnt like Arabs. Turkish people are just so effected by Arab riot in WW1. Especially founders of our republic being the witnessing commanders of those days(Ataturk was under Djemal Pasha in Hijaz-Yemen front) they were especially aware of this.

Ataturk even has a quote on this: ''No Turkish son will ever spill blood for the lands of Arabia''. Erdogan does and further intends to grossly violate this.
 

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Turkey was founded in fact opposing this idea. In Ataturks ideal Turkey was to be a modern, secular, nation state that is integrated to European civilization.

This is false and something eurocentrists confuse, Ataturk questioned the backwardness of the empire and saw arabic influence and islam as a source for it and as a result adapted to european policies as a way to modernize the Republic.
 

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If peacekeeping forces are sent to Gaza, then next time Israel makes an aggressive move those forces will be caught between angry Palestinians and the Israeli military.

They will have to fight the Palestinians to stop them from firing rockets. If the peacekeeping force fails, then the IDF will strike Gazans as like now and also maybe the peacekeeping forces too. In the end the peacekeeping force will fight the Palestinians.

This is the mistake which India did when it send peacekeepers to Sri Lanka during the Tamil conflict.

Not just Israel its the groups themselves too.

If Hamas and PIJ start the rockets and Turkish soldiers say no you cant attack this will lead to confrontations.

What happens if Israel attacks our soldiers?? We all know what Russia did when they accidentally killed our soldiers in 2016 or 2017 i think and in 2020 they killed 33 Turkish soldiers.

Israelis are more than emboldened to do anything.

Lets not forget Iran and the Arab countries will also oppose this peace keeping plan.

Middle East is just one big shit show. Im even confused on what the fck is going on.
 

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