Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[Bozan]

You speak as if there's such a thing as a diplomatic solution in the last 75 years.

In the end, we will do what we'll do, you'll do what you want to do. Gaza and Gazans getting wiped off is an acceptable cost, not very sure what will be the fate of 7 million Israelites when the Americans are gone, my prediction is grim.

"Gaza and Gazans getting wiped off is an acceptable cost"

You're really into revenge porn fantasies, these are human beings.

If there isn't a diplomatic solution parties want to pursue and the military cost is low, you'll get this conflict. And it is very one sided. And given Hamas attacked first, laws on proportionality are going to give Israel a big boost in what it can get away with.

And yes, ties with Israel will go back to normal in a year or two.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

To be honest i don't give a shit about all of you turks and PKK . You all can go to hell for i care . I only care the palestinian plights here.... the world doesn't revolves around you turks and your problem .
Some might say the theatrics are the same ... who cares ?? Nobody cares !! All i see is innocent get paid the price .. you might want to put and dragged your baggages into the ring ... I do not care !!
You do not want to sympathize ?? Fine .... Nobody forcing you to it . But , to denigrate human suffering because it won't fit your narratives ?? Or hatred over some history long passing by ... You have step over the line...

One way or another ... Jerussalem will be liberated one day .... Even if you . So called secular turks won't join in . It doesn't matter ... We Indonesian moslem may come marching by our selfes if we have to . It might not in my time . It might not on my children time ... But , i assured you ... We will come !! That is the promise ...

@Kartal1 you might want to ban me over this rant . I had my piece outspoken . I don't care anymore

If you are so eager to fight why won't you pack your baggages and go to palestine?

We Turks secular or not shed enough blood in mena in the end we got hit back by palestinians, We are not eager to fight for others wars We'll only fight against those that are like pkk who are dangerin the lives of Turkish men and women.

Go fight your own battles and don't include us.

 

[Bozan]

To be honest i don't give a shit about all of you turks and PKK . You all can go to hell for i care . I only care the palestinian plights here.... the world doesn't revolves around you turks and your problem .
Some might say the theatrics are the same ... who cares ?? Nobody cares !! All i see is innocent get paid the price .. you might want to put and dragged your baggages into the ring ... I do not care !!
You do not want to sympathize ?? Fine .... Nobody forcing you to it . But , to denigrate human suffering because it won't fit your narratives ?? Or hatred over some history long passing by ... You have step over the line...

One way or another ... Jerussalem will be liberated one day .... Even if you . So called secular turks won't join in . It doesn't matter ... We Indonesian moslem may come marching by our selfes if we have to . It might not in my time . It might not on my children time ... But , i assured you ... We will come !! That is the promise ...

@Kartal1 you might want to ban me over this rant . I had my piece outspoken . I don't care anymore

Why not free the natives in your own country ?

Indonesia has separatists

 

[Ravager]

"Gaza and Gazans getting wiped off is an acceptable cost"

You're really into revenge porn fantasies, these are human beings.

If there isn't a diplomatic solution parties want to pursue and the military cost is low, you'll get this conflict. And it is very one sided. And given Hamas attacked first, laws on proportionality are going to give Israel a big boost in what it can get away with.

And yes, ties with Israel will go back to normal in a year or two.

After this point of time ... Without permanent two state solution . No islamic countries dare to normalize the relation . Especially the monarchies . They know they are in a very precarious situation right now . Arab masses were allready at boiling point today . And they are not uneduucated like they were used to be ...
Like i said 100 pages before . Hamas will ceased to exist as an entity . Gaza will be obliterated ... The question is ....how much price the Israelis are going to pays ..

 

[Asena_great]

We Turks secular or not shed enough blood in mena in the end we got hit back by palestinians, We are not eager to fight for others wars

they wanted independence they got it but independence comes with responsibility this war is their responsibility to bear

 

[Gary]

"Gaza and Gazans getting wiped off is an acceptable cost"

You're really into revenge porn fantasies, these are human beings

Ya know, I'm a very realistic guy, the Israelis have made their intentions clear in advance in regard to Gaza and Gazans. I merely see it from the lens of the wider geopolitik.

They say they wanted a disproportionate response to Gazans am I correct? In war, there exist two types of victory :

1. Decisive
2. Phyric

Had the Israelis successfully achieved their goal towards Gazans, it would amount to roughly a loss of about 2 million people and a land of around 360sq meters of land. The composition of Palestinians which are Arabs and Muslims amounts to 2 billion people (and counting) and the land they inhabit is many many many times that of Gaza.

Even if they win today, it's phyric, the rest of the Arab/Muslim world would simply wait for the Americans to retreat and when the time comes will go forward with the plan regarding the 7 million Israelites in Israel. For the pain the exact today, I'm sure tomorrow Muslims will pay it back 100 times more, considering now we have video footage of what the Israelis did.

So yes it is an acceptable cost, painful but necessary.

 

[Gary]

To be honest i don't give a shit about all of you turks and PKK . You all can go to hell for i care . I only care the palestinian plights here.... the world doesn't revolves around you turks and your problem .
Some might say the theatrics are the same ... who cares ?? Nobody cares !! All i see is innocent get paid the price .. you might want to put and dragged your baggages into the ring ... I do not care !!
You do not want to sympathize ?? Fine .... Nobody forcing you to it . But , to denigrate human suffering because it won't fit your narratives ?? Or hatred over some history long passing by ... You have step over the line...

I understand your concern, but just like there are Turks that sympathize with Israel, you'll find many more of them who sympathize with Palestine. Do not judge people equally, because even in Indonesia you'd find Indonesian simping for Israel.

 

[Sanchez]

https://x.com/temmuzhaber/status/1719728924521869740?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

Seems Israeli parlement is crying over the dead soldiers.

does anyone have confirmation on how many died ?

As far as I could see this is from one of the closed meetings where government showed the civilian losses on Oct 7.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719991977842770358

The Israeli army used phosphorus bombs.

I dont think this is WP.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719556231688491506

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719556247090065741

For Israel with US backing, cost of Tamirs is not an issue, build and delivery times are.

Still not clear if Hezbollah will enter the fray. They have tens of thousands of missiles but the moment they are used they will be depleted sooner or later. And then Iran won’t have that card up its sleeve fir future as it will take years to make up that stockpile again.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Ya know, I'm a very realistic guy, the Israelis have made their intentions clear in advance in regard to Gaza and Gazans. I merely see it from the lens of the wider geopolitik.

They say they wanted a disproportionate response to Gazans am I correct? In war, there exist two types of victory :

1. Decisive
2. Phyric

Had the Israelis successfully achieved their goal towards Gazans, it would amount to roughly a loss of about 2 million people and a land of around 360sq meters of land. The composition of Palestinians which are Arabs and Muslims amounts to 2 billion people (and counting) and the land they inhabit is many many many times that of Gaza.

Even if they win today, it's phyric, the rest of the Arab/Muslim world would simply wait for the Americans to retreat and when the time comes will go forward with the plan regarding the 7 million Israelites in Israel. For the pain the exact today, I'm sure tomorrow Muslims will pay it back 100 times more, considering now we have video footage of what the Israelis did.

So yes it is an acceptable cost, painful but necessary.

Arab muslim world in question;

 

[Sanchez]

Some general words as well. If you can’t cool your heads, if you can’t keep up with it, take a breather. If you want to do more, go donate to the cause you deem more worthy. Internet fights or future threats of violence won’t win you anything.

 

[Gary]

Arab muslim world;
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As I expected, you're not a great reader to begin with, I don't actually write "Arab Muslim", I actually write it as Arab/Muslim world (see the difference ?), because the Muslim world does extend beyond the Arab proper including Turkey (I know you don't like this lol) and even the Balkans.

And this Arab/Muslim world will be dominant eventually, out of the 9 major civilizations listed by Samuel B Huntington, Islamic civilizations is one of the 3 pre-eminent in the world alongside the West and China. and its only natural to expect it to rebound just like China rebounded now. So yeah posting minor defeats won't matter much, in the end, the core manpower and landmass still exist, they only need the right timing.

The Arabs I believe will be the main muscle in this effort to retake the land, because due to the simple fact that Palestinians ARE Arabs, and it just happens that they will be the absolute dominant race in the Middle East in the future even more than they are today. Does that mean Non-Arabs will just sit back and watch ? I don't think so. Indonesian Muslims and Balkan Muslims would find it hard to see Jerusalem under foreign occupation.

 

[Spitfire9]

And yes, ties with Israel will go back to normal in a year or two.

The pessimist in me agrees. The realist in me says probably that is what will happen. The optimist in me says that the Israeli response to the Hamas attack is so inhuman that the countries that have accommodated Israel's military occupation of the West Bank and colonisation thereof will pressurise Israel to accept a 2 state peace plan. 58 years have passed since Israel occupied the West Bank. Israel's 'management' of the areas it occupied has not succeeded and there is no reason to think it ever will. It has caused endless problems not only for Palestine, Israel and neighbouring states but for much of the rest of the world, too.

 

[Gary]

If the relationship returns to normal in a year or two, then just repeat for another attack.

easy

 

[Bogeyman]

One thing that looks odd about Hamas attack on October 7 was, despite its success, it didn’t have any contingency planning, further steps weren’t thought out.

Now two sources tell Middle East Eye that Hamas didn’t plan to take no more than 20-30 hostages, and it didn’t expect that Israel’s Gaza division would collapse. They argue that Hamas didn’t plan for this:

• The original attack plan, according to several sources, was to strike military targets and then make a quick withdrawal.

• Hamas wanted to inflict maximum embarrassment on Netanyahu and get something to bargain with for a mass prisoner release.
• While Hamas was ready for the war, it did not expect the attack to provoke anything more than limited retaliatory strikes on Gaza. “The strike was supposed to be tactical, not strategic,” one source said.
• Hamas sent in 1,500 fighters, expecting that most would be killed. “Somewhere around 1,400 fighters came back,” said one source.
• The source said that Hamas force unexpectedly kept on advancing, attacking locations that were not on an original list of targets, and they ended up with a far larger number of hostages than they had planned for

• Hamas knew the addresses of senior IDF commanders. It knew the layout of military bases and the location of checkpoints.
• Furthermore, it knew the time of the shift change at the Gaza Division’s barracks at the end of the Yom Kippur holiday. It launched the attack one hour after the shift change. Many of the troops were caught in their beds.

• “The plan was to assault the Gaza Division and not the kibbutz, because the Qassam intention was to capture soldiers and officers to finish the file of prisoners,” said one source familiar with the planning of the operation. “The number of civilian hostages was as a result of the sequence of battle when a lot of people crossed the border.”

• Hamas and affiliated fighters were free to cross between designated targets and for a couple of hours nobody was in control.

• “Once that happened, other forces, smugglers with weapons, lay people, criminals all flooded through the fence and we had a massacre. That was why 15 Thai workers were kidnapped. It became complete chaos,” the source continued. — Middle East Eye

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719849888391762044

 

[Afif]

One thing that looks odd about Hamas attack on October 7 was, despite its success, it didn’t have any contingency planning, further steps weren’t thought out.

Now two sources tell Middle East Eye that Hamas didn’t plan to take no more than 20-30 hostages, and it didn’t expect that Israel’s Gaza division would collapse. They argue that Hamas didn’t plan for this:

• The original attack plan, according to several sources, was to strike military targets and then make a quick withdrawal.

• Hamas wanted to inflict maximum embarrassment on Netanyahu and get something to bargain with for a mass prisoner release.
• While Hamas was ready for the war, it did not expect the attack to provoke anything more than limited retaliatory strikes on Gaza. “The strike was supposed to be tactical, not strategic,” one source said.
• Hamas sent in 1,500 fighters, expecting that most would be killed. “Somewhere around 1,400 fighters came back,” said one source.
• The source said that Hamas force unexpectedly kept on advancing, attacking locations that were not on an original list of targets, and they ended up with a far larger number of hostages than they had planned for

• Hamas knew the addresses of senior IDF commanders. It knew the layout of military bases and the location of checkpoints.
• Furthermore, it knew the time of the shift change at the Gaza Division’s barracks at the end of the Yom Kippur holiday. It launched the attack one hour after the shift change. Many of the troops were caught in their beds.

• “The plan was to assault the Gaza Division and not the kibbutz, because the Qassam intention was to capture soldiers and officers to finish the file of prisoners,” said one source familiar with the planning of the operation. “The number of civilian hostages was as a result of the sequence of battle when a lot of people crossed the border.”

• Hamas and affiliated fighters were free to cross between designated targets and for a couple of hours nobody was in control.

• “Once that happened, other forces, smugglers with weapons, lay people, criminals all flooded through the fence and we had a massacre. That was why 15 Thai workers were kidnapped. It became complete chaos,” the source continued. — Middle East Eye

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719849888391762044

That kind of make sense. From the beginning i thought it was uncharacteristic of Hamas to deliberately kill as much civilians as possible part of their operational objective.

“Once that happened, other forces, smugglers with weapons, lay people, criminals all flooded through the fence and we had a massacre. That was why 15 Thai workers were kidnapped. It became complete chaos,”

That coupled with Israeli force's indiscriminate shelling of their own civilians that day as well as some Hamas members acting on their own (as you noted previously) may explain the high number of civilians casualties on Israeli side.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The Hamas attack was retarded if your Palestinian, you pushed a few KM's into Isreal, the Isreali with its first world all expenses paid military destroyed those elements and are now in Gaza looking to annex half of it. There is a good chance they will, considering they can just keep bombing the hamas fools from the air with absolute impunity.

So Hamas is either a really dumb entity, which lets be honest the middle east is filled with such loser mentality organisations. Or Hamas did something that served Isreal intentionally. Considering the amount of information out there this attack was most likely an inside job by Israel.

Either way your losing in either scenario. And all these non-Turk Muslims screaming, listen us Turks done more fighting in the name of the religion then anyone else, we are one of the few Muslim races that seems to understand war and how to win wars. What Hamas is doing is how you lose wars and lose lands.

On a side note if you respects Turks, you wouldn't share that shithead political islamist shills twitter posts. Ragip who even paid his respects to bokdil a paid propagandist shill who only ever spouted racist hateful nonsense against the Turkish people.

also never trust a paid political islamist commentator to give you any real facts. In the same way you don't trust pro Russia accounts to give you truths.

 

[Spitfire9]

One thing that looks odd about Hamas attack on October 7 was, despite its success, it didn’t have any contingency planning, further steps weren’t thought out.

Now two sources tell Middle East Eye that Hamas didn’t plan to take no more than 20-30 hostages, and it didn’t expect that Israel’s Gaza division would collapse. They argue that Hamas didn’t plan for this:

• The original attack plan, according to several sources, was to strike military targets and then make a quick withdrawal.

• Hamas wanted to inflict maximum embarrassment on Netanyahu and get something to bargain with for a mass prisoner release.
• While Hamas was ready for the war, it did not expect the attack to provoke anything more than limited retaliatory strikes on Gaza. “The strike was supposed to be tactical, not strategic,” one source said.
• Hamas sent in 1,500 fighters, expecting that most would be killed. “Somewhere around 1,400 fighters came back,” said one source.
• The source said that Hamas force unexpectedly kept on advancing, attacking locations that were not on an original list of targets, and they ended up with a far larger number of hostages than they had planned for

• Hamas knew the addresses of senior IDF commanders. It knew the layout of military bases and the location of checkpoints.
• Furthermore, it knew the time of the shift change at the Gaza Division’s barracks at the end of the Yom Kippur holiday. It launched the attack one hour after the shift change. Many of the troops were caught in their beds.

• “The plan was to assault the Gaza Division and not the kibbutz, because the Qassam intention was to capture soldiers and officers to finish the file of prisoners,” said one source familiar with the planning of the operation. “The number of civilian hostages was as a result of the sequence of battle when a lot of people crossed the border.”

• Hamas and affiliated fighters were free to cross between designated targets and for a couple of hours nobody was in control.

• “Once that happened, other forces, smugglers with weapons, lay people, criminals all flooded through the fence and we had a massacre. That was why 15 Thai workers were kidnapped. It became complete chaos,” the source continued. — Middle East Eye

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719849888391762044

Many years ago a lot of people were killed at Saabra and Chatilla as the Israeli army stood by. If that was to be condemned and Israel held responsible for that massacre, so is Hamas responsible for the 7 October massacre.

PS Hamas either allowed a massacre to take place or encouraged others to massacre or participated in massacre themselves.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720100569589612757

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720101783861960749

 

[Gary]

Tomorrow is Friday, let's see if Hezbollah teaser trailer about Hassan Nasrallah upcoming speech amounts to military involvement.

My take : nop