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I said Oct 7th would open the doors to the zionists destroying Gaza and Usurping lands. So far I'm correct. Detached was celebrating Oct 7th like some grand victory despite it achieving nothing strategic.




The results speak for themselves. Failure after failure, if you call that intelligent then there is nothing I can do for you.



Saudi Arabia is no more then a western vassal, expecting good from this is pure naivety. The two state solution was a always ruse, something to buy isreal time while justifying her occupational presence in the region. She's used that so wisely that today they can openly talk about taking most of the middle east.



Nothing has been achieved, Gaza is reduced to rubble. As we talk now the Isrealis are still bombing the shit out the place. maybe 40,000 dead and hundreds of thousands displaced. Nothing genius in it. While we talk the anglo-americans are looking to expand the war into yemen, maybe they occupy that land too out of this. Genius.



A hundred years of failure limited their options, what they could not afford to do was an attack like Oct 7th, you are seeing the results the zionists have flooded into Gaza.



This is just teenager talk. When i talk i look at the results are they good or are they bad.

Saudi Arabia is less of a western vassal than TR, if you consider NATO, EU restrictions, the refugee deal, landfill rubbish deal where the west sends their trash to TR, journalist murder and that Saudi Arabia has repeatedly gone against western wishes to further their own interests to the point now where they are pressuring the most powerful country in the world, the US, to sign a defence agreement. They have more freedom of action than TR does with it's foreign policy.

This stereotype of Saudis being backwards or puppets etc is old and is likely rooted in racism. Saudis follow their interests more so than most countries in the region.

 

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Especially when ISIS was created. It was like a hype, a trend. Tens of thousands of muslim youngsters from all races, from over the whole world buying tickets and flying to the Turkish border to enter Syria. Even just converted White Europeans and their young women, rushing to join ISIS.

Normally if you enter a European or American airport with a beard or burqa and a ticket to the Middle East the security will doublecheck you and take you apart for questions, but no country stopped these volunteers. They blamed Turkey instead for not securing the Turkish-Syrian border.

The Western nations felt very happy because they lost a large amount of coloured workless and radical homeless people who were otherwise on the governments social welfare payroll, and now they would be canon fodder for the US coalition troops. Joining ISIS was more trendy than joining Binance to buy crypto.

Just after years when ISIS was destroyed by Turkish forces, the Western nations tried to stop the recruiting because the militants left ISIS and came back to Europe.

Where are those recruits and youngsters now? Why not join Hamas to fight a real enemy like Israel? Where are those bearded militants with their families, buying tickets to go fight for 'Dawa'? Were are those converted White muslims declaring on Tiktok that they would go fight in Gaza? Why is Palestina not a hot magnet for these international radicals like Syria was in the past?

This is the biggest evidence that ISIS was a Western security asset.

Yeah Muslims have to look at the "results". When you see the results you see the answers as to who really benefited from all the trouble. Its pretty much every circumstance the muslims lost.


After the Oct 7th incident i see a new map being drawn showing further loses.
 

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The biggest myth perpetuated is that NATO and the West cannot supply Ukraine with what it needs to fend off Russia, while simultaneously supporting Israel. What the two nations need in terms of war materials are very, very different.

What does Ukraine need to fight their war and drain the Russian army of resources?

They need tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, demining equipment, modern artillery, larger quantities of artillery shells and mortar rounds, massive amounts of cheap drones, sufficient quantities of F-16s, air launched cruise missiles such as JASSM and TAURUS, sophisticated, guided ordinance such at ATACMS GMLRS, GLSDB and above all else, a consistent flow of air defense systems, missiles and ammunition. Lastly, Ukraine needs large quantities of funding to keep their country running while at war... The West lacks none of what I listed above. It simply requires the political will power, manifested in action, for Russia to be forced into an unwinnable war.

Do you realize that in 2024 alone the West could send Ukraine 1500 MBTs, 1000 IFVs, 1000 APCs, 500 artillery systems, 2 millions artillery shells, 500 ATAMS / ATACMS and cruise missiles, 100 F-16s with signicant quantities of air-to-air, and air-to-ground weaponry of numerous types, thousands of anti-armor weapons and hundreds of air defense missiles... Without removing a single item from their active war time stockpile?. They have have items have excellent war materials in storage that they're not even using and don't intend to use in the future. For about $100-$125 Billion usd they could essentially re-equip the entire Ukrainian army and air force, including 200,000 new recruits, while remaining perfectly capable of fighting a second war of their own.

Keep in mintheyat the West has also frozen $300 Billion usd worth of Russian foreign assets. Those assets will largely be liquidated to rebuild Ukraine, however, a portion of then could be liquidated in the immediacy to give give Ukraine and insane boost to their war chest that would allow them the purchasing power to add even more to their military resources than I listed above.

What does Israel need to fight their war against Hamas and their allies?

The Israelis need large quantities of guided and unguided air launched ordinance such as JDAM equipped 500lb, 1000lb and 2000lb bombs. They need large quantities of hellfire missiles and APKWS for their attack helicopters and drone fleet. They need a modest number of artillery shells. But above all else they need Naval support from their allies, and the willingness of countries like USA, Britain and France to use submarine and ship launched missiles to make surgical strikes and for carrier and land based aircraft to to bolster the Israeli Air Force in pounding enemy positions with air launched ordinance.

These are very difference wars, being fought using very different military resources. There is little crossover between the supplies required by Ukraine to stall the Russian advance and the supplies required by Israel to continue their power projection. Ukraine needs roughly $100 Billion usd worth of support each year, combined with their growing war spending. Israel probably needs $25-$30 Billion usd worth of support to keep up its war effort for a prolonged period of time. I can't tell you little small of a sum of money that is when you're talking about 30-40 countries splitting the bill. Combined, those countries spent TRILLIONS on Covid-19 when they took seriously. All it would take is for the West to take both of these conflicts seriously for it to be a really rough time for both Russian and Hamas.

We are not playing Call of Duty here.

It is not realistic that the West will send all those weapons in all those amounts in 2024.

Chief commanders of different NATO countries are complaining that they almost depleted their own stocks (Belgium, France, Germany) and a lot of other countries are refusing to send more.

The US couldnt get the 60 billion dollar package rushed through Congress, and even the small package of 250 million dollar didnt get a ok yesterday.

The economy of the US and Europe are slowed down, there is a big climate crisis where each nation need billions for a green deal, lot of unemployment because of the millions of immigrants coming and coming, increasing inflation, increasing interest rates and now there is a second front in Gaza, what mutated in 2 other fronts (Lebanon + Red Sea).

Russia is laughing because they produce record amounts of gas and oil and are trading freely with China, Turkey and India and just need to hold the status quo in Ukraine. The sanctions didnt work.

The West must also concentrate on the Pacific. Xi Jinping gave his new year speech and said that "it is inevitable that Taiwan joins China soon". The US is now sending a delegate to Taiwan to celebrate the new president there.

Ukraine, Taiwan, Gaza, Red Sea, Turkey, Iran, Syria, China, Russia.

To much to handle, even for the US. Look how quick the West forget Niger, after all those warnings and statements and threats to invade Niger after the coup.
 

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We are not playing Call of Duty here.

It is not realistic that the West will send all those weapons in all those amounts in 2024.

Chief commanders of different NATO countries are complaining that they almost depleted their own stocks (Belgium, France, Germany) and a lot of other countries are refusing to send more.

The US couldnt get the 60 billion dollar package rushed through Congress, and even the small package of 250 million dollar didnt get a ok yesterday.

The economy of the US and Europe are slowed down, there is a big climate crisis where each nation need billions for a green deal, lot of unemployment because of the millions of immigrants coming and coming, increasing inflation, increasing interest rates and now there is a second front in Gaza, what mutated in 2 other fronts (Lebanon + Red Sea).

Russia is laughing because they produce record amounts of gas and oil and are trading freely with China, Turkey and India and just need to hold the status quo in Ukraine. The sanctions didnt work.

The West must also concentrate on the Pacific. Xi Jinping gave his new year speech and said that "it is inevitable that Taiwan joins China soon". The US is now sending a delegate to Taiwan to celebrate the new president there.

Ukraine, Taiwan, Gaza, Red Sea, Turkey, Iran, Syria, China, Russia.

To much to handle, even for the US. Look how quick the West forget Niger, after all those warnings and statements and threats to invade Niger after the coup.
My contention was / is not that the West will send those quantities of military supplies to Ukraine in 2024, it's simply that they could, at a cost effective price, without sacrificing affecting active military stockpiles at all. Both the American and EU military aid packages are going to pass in the coming weeks. Negotiations are in process. USA still has over $4 Billion worth of Presidential Drawdown Authority left from the last tranche that Congress greenlit. They've simply slowed down the shipment of items to ratchet up the political pressure on the GOP to get the $61 Billion supplemental package passed.

Back to the equipment that could be easily be sent in 2024 with the political willpower to make it happen. The Western stockpiles of armor / armament are not lacking in any way. There simply needs to exist the political will within Western countries to send surplus items to Ukraine. USA alone has more than 4000 Abrams in storage that they don't intend to use again. They have more than 3000 Bradleys in storage that they don't intend to use again and they just ordered 700 more of the newest version. They also have roughly 1000 Strykers in storage that they have no plans for. They have roughly 500 M198 howitzers in storage that they will never use again after they were replaced with M777s. They have essentially infinite quantities of MRAPS and up armored HMMWVS, in numbers that exceed 100,000. USA has over 1200 F-16s, and they're aggressively removing older models from service as dozens of F-35s, F-15EX and F-16V come on line. They could sacrifice dozens of surplus units without blinking. As for artillery shells, USA will produce more than 500,000 new shells in 2024 (1.2 million in 2025) and the great myth is that they are running out. That's not true at all. They maintain some 5+ million shells in their active war arsenal and they still have more than 1.5 million cluster munitions in their surplus inventories. Not to mention, they can buy large supplemental quantities of 155mm shells from both South Korea and Japan, who have large stockpiles, to backfill their inventories.

As for Europe, they have shortages in some areas, but not in others. They're going to send 200 Leopard 1 MBTs in 2024, but that number could be doubled if Greece agrees to the plan being negotiated with Germany and if Denmark continues to purchase variants from European arms dealers. Germany has committed 120 Marder IFVs, but that number could also be doubled this year as large quantities of Boxers come on line to replace to them in the German Army. It's same story in Britain as their Warrior IFVs are going to quickly become surplus as their new IFVs come on throughout 2024. The Jordanians have also made it known that they would happily sell back the 400'ish Challenger 1 ranks that they bought from the Brits, but now have in storage. The Ukrainians would gladly take those units as well. Meanwhile, the Czechs and the Poles continue to play an important role in this conflict as hundreds of stored T-72 and T-64 mbts are removed from Ukrainian, Polish, Czech and Bulgarian storage to be refurbished, before being sent back to the war zone. Britain, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic and France also make up the primary producers of ammunition and artillery shells in Europe. They will carry load in terms of Europe's contribution to keeping Ukraine supplied.

I can keep going, but this post is already getting long enough. "Call of Duty" is not in any way neccessary for the West to send massive quantities of surplus material in 2024 and beyond. It simply requires the political will in the West to see Russia to lose, rather than to simply see them slowed down.
 

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Saudi Arabia is less of a western vassal than TR, if you consider NATO, EU restrictions, the refugee deal, landfill rubbish deal where the west sends their trash to TR, journalist murder and that Saudi Arabia has repeatedly gone against western wishes to further their own interests to the point now where they are pressuring the most powerful country in the world, the US, to sign a defence agreement. They have more freedom of action than TR does with it's foreign policy.

This stereotype of Saudis being backwards or puppets etc is old and is likely rooted in racism. Saudis follow their interests more so than most countries in the region.

Oh yes? Did Saudis intervine in Libya or Syria, maybe Iraq or Azerbaijan?
You are talking about a landfill depot?
Well it figures.
Edit Landfill depot? Hahaha, truly hilarious
 

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Oh yes? Did Saudis intervine in Libya or Syria, maybe Iraq or Azerbaijan?
You are talking about a landfill depot?
Well it figures.
Edit Landfill depot? Hahaha, truly hilarious

Its for good reason that the grand majority of mosques in the western world have come under saudi control with their wahhabists being put in place. They want them to corrupt the common Muslim to make him fanatical and incompatible, then they can justify their destruction of whichever Muslims they choose to destroy. You got to give it the anglo-saxon, on the one hand he pushes the narratives that Islam is backwards and its people are terrorists, while by the same token he makes sure that their vassal "Suadi" is given a free hand to control the mosques and the message of Islam that is promoted in the west. Then as always, just like the zionists when they want to shut the debate, shut down the truth they scream racism "anti-semitism". Honestly many muslims today behave no different to how the leftists behave, anytime someone goes against what they believe no matter how ridiculous, how false, how anti-reality they are, they want label that voice to shut it down.

Saudi from its very creation was a western vassal state. And Vassals occasionally get kicked around by their masters. That's the nature of the master/slave dynamic.

And honestly any Muslim that hasnt been brainwashed by a suadi endorsed imam, can see the saudi dynasty exactly for what they are.
 

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If Israel's army and government has this kind of access and oversight over media in U.S., imagine how much their coverage is censored by U.S. state department and Pentagon itself.
 

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Oh yes? Did Saudis intervine in Libya or Syria, maybe Iraq or Azerbaijan?
You are talking about a landfill depot?
Well it figures.
Edit Landfill depot? Hahaha, truly hilarious

Yes they did, with money. They didn't throw their country into it. This idea that Saudis are nothing is ridiculous, they were the primary financier of the Palestinian movement for decades until Iranian aligned groups took over.

Today Hamas is trying to negotiate the same deals Saudis were with the Palestinian movement decades ago, what progress hahaha

They have hefty weight in regional politics and have a similar GDP to TR with less than half the population. Less than 50% of their GDP is oil and they are moving in the direction to be completely sustainable.

They'd actually be the perfect ally for Erdogan, if not for his Muslim brotherhood bullshit.

"In 2021, Europe exported 33 million tonnes of waste, almost half of which went to Turkey, twice as much as before the Chinese ban"

And not all of it is useful scrap steel. Landfill waste.
 

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Yes they did, with money. They didn't throw their country into it. This idea that Saudis are nothing is ridiculous, they were the primary financier of the Palestinian movement for decades until Iranian aligned groups took over.

Today Hamas is trying to negotiate the same deals Saudis were with the Palestinian movement decades ago, what progress hahaha

They have hefty weight in regional politics and have a similar GDP to TR with less than half the population. Less than 50% of their GDP is oil and they are moving in the direction to be completely sustainable.

They'd actually be the perfect ally for Erdogan, if not for his Muslim brotherhood bullshit.

"In 2021, Europe exported 33 million tonnes of waste, almost half of which went to Turkey, twice as much as before the Chinese ban"

And not all of it is useful scrap steel. Landfill waste.
What makes you think that some of what you say , I don't know?
Rubbish depot again? Trivial.
I never asked anything really but nevertheless you felt compelled to answer?!
So if I take both of of your statements , rubbish depot is the sign of independence, are you serious? Hahaha, I am sorry but this is truly funny.
 

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Its for good reason that the grand majority of mosques in the western world have come under saudi control with their wahhabists being put in place. They want them to corrupt the common Muslim to make him fanatical and incompatible, then they can justify their destruction of whichever Muslims they choose to destroy. You got to give it the anglo-saxon, on the one hand he pushes the narratives that Islam is backwards and its people are terrorists, while by the same token he makes sure that their vassal "Suadi" is given a free hand to control the mosques and the message of Islam that is promoted in the west. Then as always, just like the zionists when they want to shut the debate, shut down the truth they scream racism "anti-semitism". Honestly many muslims today behave no different to how the leftists behave, anytime someone goes against what they believe no matter how ridiculous, how false, how anti-reality they are, they want label that voice to shut it down.

Saudi from its very creation was a western vassal state. And Vassals occasionally get kicked around by their masters. That's the nature of the master/slave dynamic.

And honestly any Muslim that hasnt been brainwashed by a suadi endorsed imam, can see the saudi dynasty exactly for what they are.
You are absolutely right.
 

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Al-Qassam Brigades broadcast scenes of its mujahideen clashing with occupation soldiers and vehicles in the areas of the city of Khan Yunis, south of the Gaza Strip.

 

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