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They went from celebrating October 7th to screaming genocide and hoping to celebrate the accusation sticking against Israel. What a colossal failure on the Palestinian side.

If political Islamists and their backers never want to look at themselves first and foremost, they will continue to fail moving forward. I feel for those who don't support this failure but are dragged down with it nevertheless.

Like i said at the start when hamas conducted that silly little meaningless attack that achieved nothing strategically for them, it opened the doors for a real military with things like F35 to flood in and destroy them.

As much as the hamas fighters don't look like your typical joke middle eastern fighters, how long can they sustain relentless airstrikes from the zionists whose stockpile is endless since the americans will keep supplying it. Sometimes i feel like middle eastern islamists are really "masochist" like they love pain, death and destruction. Like they enjoying screaming and crying over their loved dead, because they constantly make decisions that brings them the same terrible results.

To me it looks like another grand failure. Once the dust settles all nations predominantly (arab) will rush back to Isreal to normalise relations.

Even the political islamists of Turkey and their supportes, your watching your own government do NOTHING except expand trade with Isreal and lie about it.

While i can understand your point and somehow can see where it is coming from ... Let me ask you a genuine question then . How do you suppose the Hamas and palestinian resistance should commence their strugles then ?? Mind you , before the oct 7th . Israel and SA are mere inches to buried the two state solutions for good/forever . What are you preferred solutions for them ... Be realistic please . The palestinian are backed into the walls here . Oct 7th are their last chamce to be heard by the global community . Once the Israel - SA accord were signed . We would no longer hear a palestine words at all . Buried under the foot of SA treachery to the Islamic world at large .
And no !!
Hunger strike wouldn't meant anything at all !!

I am waiting...
 

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US CENTCOM Statement on 27th Houthi attack on commercial shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden On Jan. 11 at approximately 2 a.m. (Sanaa time), the Iranian-backed Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas in Yemen into international shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden. One commercial vessel reported visually observing the missile impact the water; however, there were no injuries or damage reported. This is the 27th Houthi attack on international shipping since Nov 19.



 

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While i can understand your point and somehow can see where it is coming from ... Let me ask you a genuine question then . How do you suppose the Hamas and palestinian resistance should commence their strugles then ?? Mind you , before the oct 7th . Israel and SA are mere inches to buried the two state solutions for good/forever . What are you preferred solutions for them ... Be realistic please . The palestinian are backed into the walls here . Oct 7th are their last chamce to be heard by the global community . Once the Israel - SA accord were signed . We would no longer hear a palestine words at all . Buried under the foot of SA treachery to the Islamic world at large .
And no !!
Hunger strike wouldn't meant anything at all !!

I am waiting...

Oct 7th should have never happened, it opened the door for the zionists to come in and destroy them and usurp the land. And once the dust settles the Saudis will return to normalisation. So it achieved nothing but presented a great opportunity to zionism and their american backers. Actually if you read the Iraqi intelligence report under the Saddam years on the Saudi royal family they concluded that the saudis are actually jews who had the surname shullman before changing it.

Lets start from the beginning with the Ottomans. The Ottomans became so corrupt, technologically backward and weak it opened the door for the kaffir to enter the lands and sow division and ultimately insurrection. I don't want to be to harsh because on the one hand the reason the middle east had it so good for so long was because the Turks were so strong and intelligent that they not only ended the crusades but were right on the doorstep of the Hapsburgs throne in Vienna, the most powerful European dynasty at the time. But nevertheless Ottoman failure can be the starting point.

Then lets move to the Arabs who had no issues siding with the British and French to kill the Turks effectively stabbing them in the back for personal statehood ambitions. Fair enough they were ruled by Turks for over a thousand years and ummah only matters to them as long as they are in charge, which isn't going to happen. You need brains, you need integrity, you need drive and you need honour to run such a state. None of their leaders have this. Just look at how Arabs constantly betray each other as an example of how they operate. No such ummah can exist under that kind of leadership.

Then a long list of political and military failures take place for the next 100 years. Including engaging in wars against Israel and losing. This failure means that the Palestinians cannot maintain any meaningful victory on their own, its impossible. So they have to endure and they have to survive for as long as possible in the hope that someone else comes to the table. Doing things like Oct 7th basically just eats away at the Palestinian cause.

This is where "political islamism" comes into play. In a country like Turkey which has supported political islamists for the last 20 years despite being general failures in everything they have touched, still feel comfortable watching their sultan do nothing to help. Why are they tolerating inaction? Why not cut all trade and all diplomatic ties and then lobby all the other Muslim majority nations to do the same? Nah, they wont do this they will just talk and talk and talk.

The truth is this is, if the people of Muslim majority nations do not raise their voices and demand action from their leaders then nothing will improve, nothing will change. They will collectively continue on the same path.

Palestine is just one of many Muslim peoples being crushed with many already being crushed and completely occupied as seen in Russia and China. Nothing changes unless the common Muslim changes.

We cannot celebrate failure, we cannot tolerate incompetence, when it comes to political leaders it has to be entirely based on results, not on feelings or cult like sensibilities.
 

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Turks for long time have known the kurdistan/PKK project is just a zionist project. Its a shame so many arab states including the palestinians themselves have supported them against Turkey. But play stupid games win stupid prizes. Here the ummah sits today and the zionists are talking about taking mecca/medina and purifying those places. It was a collosal mistake for the arabs to turn on the Ottomans, maybe a hundred years from now the entire region is controlled by zionists.

Even as we speak now about 50,000 chabad jews have moved into northern cyprus illegally. They got big planes and the political islamists are doing nothing, in most cases they are helping it.

Northern Cyprus i suspect will be the next Palestine. Erdogan is silent.
 
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Oct 7th should have never happened, it opened the door for the zionists to come in and destroy them and usurp the land. And once the dust settles the Saudis will return to normalisation. So it achieved nothing but presented a great opportunity to zionism and their american backers. Actually if you read the Iraqi intelligence report under the Saddam years on the Saudi royal family they concluded that the saudis are actually jews who had the surname shullman before changing it.

Very interesting and horrific article here about the jewish origins of House Saud.

 

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UK, US expected to launch strikes against Houthis 'within hours' -Times​


Britain is expected to join the United States in conducting air strikes on military positions belonging to the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen "within hours", the political editor for the Times newspaper reported on Thursday.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's Downing Street office did not respond to a request from Reuters for comment, while the Pentagon and the White House each declined to comment on the report.

The U.S. typically does not comment on potential future military operations.

"The Houthis need to stop these attacks ... they will bear the consequences for any failure to do so," White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said on Thursday.

Sunak briefed his cabinet of ministers on the imminent military intervention earlier on Thursday, the Times said.

British media also reported that other political figures, including the leader of Britain's opposition Labour Party, Keir Starmer, as well as the speaker of the House of Commons, had been briefed by the government.

Three residents of Yemen's Hodeidah told Reuters the city has been on alert since Thursday evening, with the heavy deployment of Houthi forces and movement of military trucks. Houthi military sites and camps in Hodeidah were also being evacuated, they said.

Yemen's Iranian-backed Houthi militants have stepped up attacks on commercial vessels in the Red Sea in protest against Israel's war in Gaza. Various shipping lines have suspended operations, instead taking the longer journey around Africa.

The U.S. military said the Houthis earlier on Thursday had staged their 27th attack on shipping since Nov. 19, firing an anti-ship ballistic missile into international shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden.

Earlier this week, U.S. and British naval forces shot down drones and missiles fired by the Houthis toward the southern Red Sea.

The Houthis, who seized much of Yemen in a civil war, have vowed to attack ships linked to Israel or bound for Israeli ports. However, many of the targeted ships have had no links to Israel.

Reporting by Sachin Ravikumar in London, Idrees Ali, Don Durfee, Heather Timmons and Katharine Jackson in Washington; Additional reporting by Steve Holland in Washington and Mohammed Ghobari in Aden, Yemen; Editing by Jonathan Oatis, Bill Berkrot and Daniel Wallis

 

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Oct 7th should have never happened, it opened the door for the zionists to come in and destroy them and usurp the land. And once the dust settles the Saudis will return to normalisation. So it achieved nothing but presented a great opportunity to zionism and their american backers. Actually if you read the Iraqi intelligence report under the Saddam years on the Saudi royal family they concluded that the saudis are actually jews who had the surname shullman before changing it.

Lets start from the beginning with the Ottomans. The Ottomans became so corrupt, technologically backward and weak it opened the door for the kaffir to enter the lands and sow division and ultimately insurrection. I don't want to be to harsh because on the one hand the reason the middle east had it so good for so long was because the Turks were so strong and intelligent that they not only ended the crusades but were right on the doorstep of the Hapsburgs throne in Vienna, the most powerful European dynasty at the time. But nevertheless Ottoman failure can be the starting point.

Then lets move to the Arabs who had no issues siding with the British and French to kill the Turks effectively stabbing them in the back for personal statehood ambitions. Fair enough they were ruled by Turks for over a thousand years and ummah only matters to them as long as they are in charge, which isn't going to happen. You need brains, you need integrity, you need drive and you need honour to run such a state. None of their leaders have this. Just look at how Arabs constantly betray each other as an example of how they operate. No such ummah can exist under that kind of leadership.

Then a long list of political and military failures take place for the next 100 years. Including engaging in wars against Israel and losing. This failure means that the Palestinians cannot maintain any meaningful victory on their own, its impossible. So they have to endure and they have to survive for as long as possible in the hope that someone else comes to the table. Doing things like Oct 7th basically just eats away at the Palestinian cause.

This is where "political islamism" comes into play. In a country like Turkey which has supported political islamists for the last 20 years despite being general failures in everything they have touched, still feel comfortable watching their sultan do nothing to help. Why are they tolerating inaction? Why not cut all trade and all diplomatic ties and then lobby all the other Muslim majority nations to do the same? Nah, they wont do this they will just talk and talk and talk.

The truth is this is, if the people of Muslim majority nations do not raise their voices and demand action from their leaders then nothing will improve, nothing will change. They will collectively continue on the same path.

Palestine is just one of many Muslim peoples being crushed with many already being crushed and completely occupied as seen in Russia and China. Nothing changes unless the common Muslim changes.

We cannot celebrate failure, we cannot tolerate incompetence, when it comes to political leaders it has to be entirely based on results, not on feelings or cult like sensibilities.

You stilll haven't answer my question here sir ... Only narrating the old story which we all knows and heard before .
Solution please ...
 

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You stilll haven't answer my question here sir ... Only narrating the old story which we all knows and heard before .
Solution please ...

Its been answered you just don't have the intellectual capacity to see the answer.

But if i break it down in simple terms. Palestine cannot achieve anything on her own, she failed too many times in the past 100 years to think she can dictate her fate.

What they should be doing is basically as much as possible to avert things like what's happening now. They have to endure and persevere for as long as possible in the hope that outside help will arrive one day. Ataturk once creating Turkey seeing that Cyprus with its Turkish Muslim population had been annexed by the British told the Turkish Cypriots to hold tight, to stay on the island and to endure, one day when Turkey has the strength, Turkey will come. That arrival came in 1974 about 35 years after Ataturks death. The Turkish Cypriots were also facing a genocide and unlike the Palestinians nearly the entire muslim world was silent and many arab states were helping the greeks like egypt and syria. But the Cypriot Turks endured and the their Turkish brothers came. Today the north is peaceful, cypriots Turks don't go to bed fearing whether they will wake up in morning.

So stage one, endure do everything to avoid giving the zionists the excuses they want to use to come and crush you. I have no doubts that oct 7th made the zionists exceptionally happy and excited.

Stage two is for someone else to come and help. No one will come and help if the common Muslim remains ignorant and arrogant. The common Muslim has to educate himself and he has to create pressure on his government to act. This is the only solution now. Most states are corrupt with charlatans in charge, they will do nothing unless the people themselves force the issue.

Let me give you an example of pressure people can create. The Russians not so long ago bombed our troops and killed about 40 of them. The AK party government did everything to hide it from the people. The news didnt cover it, none of the politicians wanted to talk about it. But the incident spread like wild fire across social media, the Turkish nation was angry that wanted war against Russia. People even pensioners were rushing to the syrian border demanding to be given a gun to go and kill the Russians and their assadist lackeys. This forced erdogan to move, without this pressure he would have done nothing. But public pressure led this.


The solution is the common Muslim must create pressure on his governments. Turks supported AK party but they have completely failed Palestine, don't vote for them again. The next government who comes in seeing this will know in the same circumstances he will have to act if he wants to remain in power.

Now i could write a thousand pages on all the different things that could be done at a macro and micro level, but truth be told it would be wasted here.

On a side note your country has a population of 300 million people, instead of arrogantly asking me for the solution why doesn't your country find a solution? This isn't to attack you but its to highlight a point, no Muslim majority countries governments feel any real societal pressure to do anything. That blame has to rest on the people.

In Islam we are taught to do according to our means, the truth is most of us are really doing nothing.
 

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Its been answered you just don't have the intellectual capacity to see the answer.

But if i break it down in simple terms. Palestine cannot achieve anything on her own, she failed too many times in the past 100 years to think she can dictate her fate.

What they should be doing is basically as much as possible to avert things like what's happening now. They have to endure and persevere for as long as possible in the hope that outside help will arrive one day. Ataturk once creating Turkey seeing that Cyprus with its Turkish Muslim population had been annexed by the British told the Turkish Cypriots to hold tight, to stay on the island and to endure, one day when Turkey has the strength, Turkey will come. That arrival came in 1974 about 35 years after Ataturks death. The Turkish Cypriots were also facing a genocide and unlike the Palestinians nearly the entire muslim world was silent and many arab states were helping the greeks like egypt and syria. But the Cypriot Turks endured and the their Turkish brothers came. Today the north is peaceful, cypriots Turks don't go to bed fearing whether they will wake up in morning.

So stage one, endure do everything to avoid giving the zionists the excuses they want to use to come and crush you. I have no doubts that oct 7th made the zionists exceptionally happy and excited.

Stage two is for someone else to come and help. No one will come and help if the common Muslim remains ignorant and arrogant. The common Muslim has to educate himself and he has to create pressure on his government to act. This is the only solution now. Most states are corrupt with charlatans in charge, they will do nothing unless the people themselves force the issue.

Let me give you an example of pressure people can create. The Russians not so long ago bombed our troops and killed about 40 of them. The AK party government did everything to hide it from the people. The news didnt cover it, none of the politicians wanted to talk about it. But the incident spread like wild fire across social media, the Turkish nation was angry that wanted war against Russia. People even pensioners were rushing to the syrian border demanding to be given a gun to go and kill the Russians and their assadist lackeys. This forced erdogan to move, without this pressure he would have done nothing. But public pressure led this.


The solution is the common Muslim must create pressure on his governments. Turks supported AK party but they have completely failed Palestine, don't vote for them again. The next government who comes in seeing this will know in the same circumstances he will have to act if he wants to remain in power.

Now i could write a thousand pages on all the different things that could be done at a macro and micro level, but truth be told it would be wasted here.

On a side note your country has a population of 300 million people, instead of arrogantly asking me for the solution why doesn't your country find a solution? This isn't to attack you but its to highlight a point, no Muslim majority countries governments feel any real societal pressure to do anything. That blame has to rest on the people.

In Islam we are taught to do according to our means, the truth is most of us are really doing nothing.

In other words .... Your suggestion for the palestinian is rolling over and surrender .
Thanks for the clarification there ..

Side note : Indonesia were not a moslem country . We are moslem majority country . While almost 90 % were supporting the palestinian cause . We were aware of our strength and weakness . Before we transform our self to become a sufficient enough to confront two front enemies on Aussie's level of strengh and winning . All talks are meaningless ..
Hence , we never preach . If you are going to talk . You have to walked it ..by your own . Never depending on other's
And just to ilustrate some thing here ... All of those husband and sons we were sending to the unifil . All of them were never expected to return . Since we were fully aware on the world political circumstances . They are nothing but a mere expendables cosmetical fence sitter ... Yet , we wholly accepted such role as a meagre tokens of solidarity for the people of lebanese and palestine ... In our miniscule capacity ...
I said again ...we Indonesian are never preach . We acts .
 
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Russia and China are laughing at this.

They know the time of the Western run liberal world is collapsing hence why they are bidding their time.
 

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Russia and China are laughing at this.

They know the time of the Western run liberal world is collapsing hence why they are bidding their time.

They were the direct beneficiary of this . Of course it's in their interest to keep the tension brewing ...
Some missile's and munitions shipping donations are minute changes compared to the tangible benefits that falls unto their lap ..
It's the height of western stupidity to sacrifice ukraine's over Israel's benefits ...
And now they are riding the tigers and couldn't get down at all ...

While i have some lingering hope . It looks hopes are a scarcity product nowadays ..
 

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US and UK launch strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen

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An RAF Typhoon aircraft takes off from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus to join the US-led coalition in conducting air strikes against military targets in Yemen (via REUTERS)

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  1. US and UK forces have carried out air strikes against Houthi rebel targets in Yemen
  2. President Biden says the strikes are in response to attacks by the Iranian-backed Houthis on ships in the Red Sea since November
  3. Houthi deputy foreign minister warns US and UK will "pay a heavy price" for this "blatant aggression"
  4. Royal Air Force warplanes helped carry out the "targeted strikes" against military facilities, says UK PM
  5. PM Rishi Sunak adds that the strikes are "limited, necessary and proportionate action in self-defence"
  6. The Netherlands, Australia, Canada and Bahrain provided support as part of the mission, says Biden
  7. Strikes are reported in the capital Sanaa, the Houthi Red Sea port of Hudaydah, Dhamar and north-western Houthi stronghold of Saada
  8. The Houthis control much of Yemen and say they are supporting ally Hamas by targeting shipping headed to Israel.

  • US warship-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles and US jets attacked more than 12 sites, including in the capital, Sanaa, and Hudaydah, the Houthi Red Sea port stronghold, US officials say
  • Four RAF Typhoon jets bombed two Houthi targets, flying from Akrotiri base in Cyprus
  • President Biden warned of possible further measures to ensure the free flow of commerce
  • Support was provided by Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands, the leaders said
  • A Houthi official warned the US and UK would "pay a heavy price" for this "blatant aggression"

Pentagon details air strike targets​


US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin has just released a statement saying that the joint military "action is intended to disrupt and degrade the Houthis’ capabilities".
The attacks "targeted the Houthis’ unmanned aerial vehicle, uncrewed surface vessel, land-attack cruise missile, and costal radar and air surveillance capabilities".
A US defence official said the Pentagon chief had monitored the operation in real time from hospital, where he has had surgery for prostate cancer.
This official said Austin was "actively involved" and spoke to the president twice in the past 72 hours leading up to the operation.
Austin has been under political fire this week after he failed to let the White House know about his hospital admission, including time in intensive care.


Coalition says its strikes were self-defence​


The governments of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, the UK and US just put out a joint statement.
The statement cites the "broad consensus" of the international community against the Houthis, and notes a UN Security Council resolution last month calling on the rebels to halt their attacks on ships in the Red Sea.
The multilateral strikes, says the statement, were conducted "in accordance with the inherent right of individual and collective self-defence".
"These precision strikes were intended to disrupt and degrade the capabilities the Houthis use to threaten global trade and the lives of international mariners in one of the world’s most critical waterways."
The allies say "our aim remains to de-escalate tensions and restore stability in the Red Sea"



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