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IMO, it looks like Iran has issued another warning in advance so that the attack is somewhat telegraphed and the coalition of Israel, USA, Britain, France and some of their Middle East allies will be in position to intercept most of the incoming ordinance.
 

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Alright! Let's get this show started then!😅
I think we may have to wait a couple days for it to start 😅

On the serious note I think they will wait for Haniye to be buried, most probably tomorrow and also there is information circulating about a high level meeting of the Axis of Resistance organizations in Tehran, so they should also meet and discuss the details. We saw that Hezbollah fired some rockets today and probably these lower intensity attacks will continue until the real escalation comes in order to put pressure on IDF air defence stocks and personnel.

I think we may see Israeli governmental buildings and/or leadership residences targeted. I doubt they will inflict heavy damage as they will most probably demonstrate a restraint like the last time, but it will carry the same message of "If we want we can..."

The mystery of what exactly was the method of elimination of Haniye is also still there. Latest version is that, they targeted Haniye with an explosive devise placed in his room. It is still not 100% confirmed, but if actually this is not the case, but instead he was targeted by some kind of drone or something else launched from KRG, Iraq we may also see targets being hit in Erbil. I have no doubt that Israeli operations in Iran are enabled by KRG and US infrastructure in Iraq and I think the US forces stationed there will be on high alert.

A serious and "real" if we can call it that way response would most probably trigger a serious response by Israel in Lebanon. We also know that the IDF were in a process of preparation for a possible escalation in that area. Currently the situation is such that the US forces in the region are basically held hostage by a mad man in the face of Netanyahu. US forces will be forced to enable the Israeli response, provide support and intervene at the needed scale in the case of an escalation that gets out of control. The worst thing is that the chance of this escalation triggering a domino effect and the conflict being pushed in terms of intensity all over the region is not small and this situation may "invite" a large scale US intervention which will be a catastrophe for the Middle East.

I think influential actors like the US, Turkiye and Qatar should do everything possible to localize the scale of this conflict and prevent it from spreading further and intensify. To me it looks like Netanyahu is pushing towards some kind of an end game and will want to use the chaos of such a regional conflict in order to authorize even more aggressive IDF intervention in Gaza, pushing the narrative of how Israel's very existence is threatened, the world must defend Israel etc. while IDF terror increases even more because even if it is not believable to some they can be even more cruel, but they need the right atmosphere and conditions, so they can legitimize it.

By the looks, Hamas is not in a very good shape and while the US is ensuring the security of Israel from external threats like the one in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen with the help of its regional allies like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, the IDF will most probably push hard mercilessly so they can accomplish their military goal of finishing the resistance and their political one of ending the Palestinian enclave in Gaza by removing its population, forcing it to move to most probably Egypt.

Of course it is easier said than done and this ride will not be smooth at all. There will be very serious consequences for Israel, but personally I don't believe that super power like the US and its allies in Europe will allow Israel to be annihilated and/or overpowered. A possible direct confrontation between the US and Iran will be the catastrophe I talked about above in this scenario. It is just that I don't think the Axis of Resistance will be ready to face the regional consequences of the possible large scale US intervention and I also don't think the whole Eastern block is ready and determined enough for the global consequences that may arise from this escalation and the possible exploitation of this situation in another hot spots like Taiwan, Ukraine, Kosovo or even South America.

Taking in account of all that can go wrong I don't think the Axis of Resistance will be the ones escalating the conflict to such a point. We will most probably see a moderate response, it is possible that a second tier high ranked Israeli military and political officials are targeted, but annihilation, "the deletion" of Israel from the face of the earth over a guy like Haniye? Nah... This will be part of another movie.

With the death of these high level ideologically moved, unifying figures there are gaps that are opened for the possible exploitation, fracturing and enforcing X actor's positions. This actor may be Iran, Turkiye, even Israel. After the damage Hamas sustained I don't think it will ever return to the organization it was before even if it somehow survives. It will evolve into something else and time will show into what exactly it will evolve. As a Turk I would like to see Turkiye using this situation in order to reinforce its positions and influence within the organization as we know many names within it, worked with closely with a lot of figures and I overall think a Turkish hand in the whole mess will give the birth to a positive results for the people of Gaza. Qatar's and Turkiye's role in Hamas are critical and we must be able to exert influence in the organization better or Hamas will become the next Iranian proxy that will endanger our interests and will act as a destabilizing factor, exploiting the Palestinian resistance for Iran's political ambitions with the price of Palestinian and Sunni blood.
 

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Iran has officially informed the United Nations of its intent to carry out a retaliatory action of self-defense against Israel in accordance with Article 51 of the UN charter.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres confirmed in a phone call to the Iranian Foreign Minister that Iran has the 'inherent right to self-defense' against violations of its national security and territorial integrity.

I fully agree with the U.N. Iran absolutely as the right to defend its sovereign territory. I'm now curious to see how far this escalates.
 

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I think we may have to wait a couple days for it to start 😅

On the serious note I think they will wait for Haniye to be buried, most probably tomorrow and also there is information circulating about a high level meeting of the Axis of Resistance organizations in Tehran, so they should also meet and discuss the details. We saw that Hezbollah fired some rockets today and probably these lower intensity attacks will continue until the real escalation comes in order to put pressure on IDF air defence stocks and personnel.

I think we may see Israeli governmental buildings and/or leadership residences targeted. I doubt they will inflict heavy damage as they will most probably demonstrate a restraint like the last time, but it will carry the same message of "If we want we can..."

The mystery of what exactly was the method of elimination of Haniye is also still there. Latest version is that, they targeted Haniye with an explosive devise placed in his room. It is still not 100% confirmed, but if actually this is not the case, but instead he was targeted by some kind of drone or something else launched from KRG, Iraq we may also see targets being hit in Erbil. I have no doubt that Israeli operations in Iran are enabled by KRG and US infrastructure in Iraq and I think the US forces stationed there will be on high alert.

A serious and "real" if we can call it that way response would most probably trigger a serious response by Israel in Lebanon. We also know that the IDF were in a process of preparation for a possible escalation in that area. Currently the situation is such that the US forces in the region are basically held hostage by a mad man in the face of Netanyahu. US forces will be forced to enable the Israeli response, provide support and intervene at the needed scale in the case of an escalation that gets out of control. The worst thing is that the chance of this escalation triggering a domino effect and the conflict being pushed in terms of intensity all over the region is not small and this situation may "invite" a large scale US intervention which will be a catastrophe for the Middle East.

I think influential actors like the US, Turkiye and Qatar should do everything possible to localize the scale of this conflict and prevent it from spreading further and intensify. To me it looks like Netanyahu is pushing towards some kind of an end game and will want to use the chaos of such a regional conflict in order to authorize even more aggressive IDF intervention in Gaza, pushing the narrative of how Israel's very existence is threatened, the world must defend Israel etc. while IDF terror increases even more because even if it is not believable to some they can be even more cruel, but they need the right atmosphere and conditions, so they can legitimize it.

By the looks, Hamas is not in a very good shape and while the US is ensuring the security of Israel from external threats like the one in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen with the help of its regional allies like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, the IDF will most probably push hard mercilessly so they can accomplish their military goal of finishing the resistance and their political one of ending the Palestinian enclave in Gaza by removing its population, forcing it to move to most probably Egypt.

Of course it is easier said than done and this ride will not be smooth at all. There will be very serious consequences for Israel, but personally I don't believe that super power like the US and its allies in Europe will allow Israel to be annihilated and/or overpowered. A possible direct confrontation between the US and Iran will be the catastrophe I talked about above in this scenario. It is just that I don't think the Axis of Resistance will be ready to face the regional consequences of the possible large scale US intervention and I also don't think the whole Eastern block is ready and determined enough for the global consequences that may arise from this escalation and the possible exploitation of this situation in another hot spots like Taiwan, Ukraine, Kosovo or even South America.

Taking in account of all that can go wrong I don't think the Axis of Resistance will be the ones escalating the conflict to such a point. We will most probably see a moderate response, it is possible that a second tier high ranked Israeli military and political officials are targeted, but annihilation, "the deletion" of Israel from the face of the earth over a guy like Haniye? Nah... This will be part of another movie.

With the death of these high level ideologically moved, unifying figures there are gaps that are opened for the possible exploitation, fracturing and enforcing X actor's positions. This actor may be Iran, Turkiye, even Israel. After the damage Hamas sustained I don't think it will ever return to the organization it was before even if it somehow survives. It will evolve into something else and time will show into what exactly it will evolve. As a Turk I would like to see Turkiye using this situation in order to reinforce its positions and influence within the organization as we know many names within it, worked with closely with a lot of figures and I overall think a Turkish hand in the whole mess will give the birth to a positive results for the people of Gaza. Qatar's and Turkiye's role in Hamas are critical and we must be able to exert influence in the organization better or Hamas will become the next Iranian proxy that will endanger our interests and will act as a destabilizing factor, exploiting the Palestinian resistance for Iran's political ambitions with the price of Palestinian and Sunni blood.
Do.you think a warship sinking / equivalent was enough as a present compensation ... ??
 

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Do.you think a warship sinking / equivalent was enough as a present compensation ... ??
I don't think the Axis of Resistance will stop with the sinking of a ship.

We should understand that the Axis of Resistance consists of many organizations with their own motivation. Iran is their sponsor, enabler and big brother. In the last couple of months some of these actors like Hezbollah suffered heavy casualties in terms of high ranked commanders including the right hand of Nasrallah and they should keep their prestige to a certain level so they will use the opportunity to give a message.

The most serious message they can give is the symbolic one. A sensational attack that strikes symbolic places for Israel, diminishing Israel's defensive capabilities like the Iron Dome, David's Sling, Arrow III, sustain damage to important infrastructure for Israel and this time we may also see the targeting of an Israeli official of a lower tier in order to give the message that Israel's leadership is not safe and their decisions carry a responsibility.

Whatever makes the headlines and confuses the experts I think we will see...
 

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I don't think the Axis of Resistance will stop with the sinking of a ship.

We should understand that the Axis of Resistance consists of many organizations with their own motivation. Iran is their sponsor, enabler and big brother. In the last couple of months some of these actors like Hezbollah suffered heavy casualties in terms of high ranked commanders including the right hand of Nasrallah and they should keep their prestige to a certain level so they will use the opportunity to give a message.

The most serious message they can give is the symbolic one. A sensational attack that strikes symbolic places for Israel, diminishing Israel's defensive capabilities like the Iron Dome, David's Sling, Arrow III, sustain damage to important infrastructure for Israel and this time we may also see the targeting of an Israeli official of a lower tier in order to give the message that Israel's leadership is not safe and their decisions carry a responsibility.

Whatever makes the headlines and confuses the experts I think we will see...

While i wholly agree with the assesment . I simply doubting Hezbo's capability ..... Unless they give us a very pleasant suprises ...
The war will and MUST escalate

It's only a matter of time ... By the.current trajectory ... Israel are singlemindedly heading to their abbys while dragging whole of their sponsor and bemefactors .... And left their collaborator to the mercy of the angry militants in the greater midle east ..

I wish i could see the better ending ...but , apparently.. No
 

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While i wholly agree with the assesment . I simply doubting Hezbo's capability ..... Unless they give us a very pleasant suprises ...


It's only a matter of time ... By the.current trajectory ... Israel are singlemindedly heading to their abbys while dragging whole of their sponsor and bemefactors .... And left their collaborator to the mercy of the angry militants in the greater midle east ..

I wish i could see the better ending ...but , apparently.. No
Hezbollah has very serious capabilities, but as far as I can grasp they are postured and prepared within a defensive strategy. Their offensive weapons consists of their massive rocket and drone arsenal, artillery and small, mobile ATGM teams. They also have a limited air defence capability. In a later stage we may also see the usage of Inghimasi teams, but I don't think they will invade Israel.

Hezbollah's defensive capabilities and posture compared to the Israeli offensive ones is very serious, but if we add the US to the equation the balance changes. The sheer firepower of the US that can be deployed is a factor that is frightening for any enemy and when we add the experience, highly trained units and the rate at which this level of power can be sustained in time, it is just brutal.

It is important to know that we are talking about a localized conflict scenario in Lebanon, the complications in the whole region are another thing.
 

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Israeli MoFA Katz:

"I have instructed the Foreign Ministry officials to summon the Deputy Turkish Ambassador to Israel for a severe reprimand following the lowering of the Turkish flag to half-mast at the Turkish Embassy in Tel Aviv, in response to the elimination of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the terrorist organization Hamas.

The State of Israel will not tolerate expressions of mourning for a murderer like Ismail Haniyeh, who led Hamas in committing the atrocities on October 7th and prayed with his associates, wishing success to the murderers while watching the horrific images on television.

If the embassy representatives wish to mourn, they should go to Turkey and mourn alongside their master, Erdogan, who embraces the terrorist organization Hamas and supports its acts of murder and terror."


Turkish MoFA Spokesperson Keceli:

"About the social media post made by the Israeli Foreign Minister: You cannot achieve peace by killing negotiators and threatening diplomats."

 

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If this does escalate, it will be very interesting to see how Iranian 🇮🇷 / Hezbollah air defense does in handling Israeli 🇮🇱 and American 🇺🇸 F-35s. Can they handle the potential combination of sea launched TLAMs and air launched JASSMs and a variety of JDAMs?

I doubt the Americans actually get air power involved in the conflict for any offensive purposes, but if they do, I'd like to see how Iran does. They've been talking up their domestic air defense systems, as well as their Russian systems.
 

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Hezbollah has very serious capabilities, but as far as I can grasp they are postured and prepared within a defensive strategy. Their offensive weapons consists of their massive rocket and drone arsenal, artillery and small, mobile ATGM teams. They also have a limited air defence capability. In a later stage we may also see the usage of Inghimasi teams, but I don't think they will invade Israel.

Hezbollah's defensive capabilities and posture compared to the Israeli offensive ones is very serious, but if we add the US to the equation the balance changes. The sheer firepower of the US that can be deployed is a factor that is frightening for any enemy and when we add the experience, highly trained units and the rate at which this level of power can be sustained in time, it is just brutal.

It is important to know that we are talking about a localized conflict scenario in Lebanon, the complications in the whole region are another thing.
Well , some people tends to forget that hezbo are a non state actor . There is always a limit in their projection capability .
What their lacks of power projection are simply compensated by a sheer wills and tenacity . And most of all you can't never kills the ideology ...you are simply can't .
Some say US would.willingly and eagerly to jump in the ring today . It would be interesting to see on what was the US public reactions on their political magnates/repesentation when the bullets are start flying and shits do hit the fan ... For real .

Sigh
 

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