So do you believe that there is no way, or no possibility, that the Muslim countries like Turkey, Iran, Pakistan coming together having a pact, (sure the west will conspire everything possible to never allow it), assisting each other in military and economical front, other Muslim countries in the middle east are just poodles of America, they will never become stronger in arms production, innovation, and industrial developments, may be one day Afghanistan may join these three, there needs to be many regime changes, and real rulers concerned about their country and people, have to come up in the middle east. These puppets of USA, and the west, will make sure their family rules, and feeding the rich luxury lives of the westerners with their natural resources are continued
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So do you believe that there is no way, or no possibility, that the Muslim countries like Turkey, Iran, Pakistan coming together having a pact, (sure the west will conspire everything possible to never allow it), assisting each other in military and economical front, other Muslim countries in the middle east are just poodles of America, they will never become stronger in arms production, innovation, and industrial developments, may be one day Afghanistan may join these three, there needs to be many regime changes, and real rulers concerned about their country and people, have to come up in the middle east. These puppets of USA, and the west, will make sure their family rules, and feeding the rich luxury lives of the westerners with their natural resources are continued
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Maybe there was a way. But Iran ruined it with its own hands. It supported the PKK in Syria against Türkiye. It martyred Turkish soldiers in the war in Syria through Hezbollah. On the other hand, Iran sided with Armenia in the Azerbaijan-Armenia war. Although we do not act hostilely towards Iran, it loses friends every time by acting like this. Iran has been pursuing such a foreign policy since 1979 that no country stands by Iran now. They have isolated themselves.
The comment by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Dan Caine, which was described by three people who heard his remarks and a fourth who was briefed on them, is the first known explanation given for why the US military did not use the MOP against the Isfahan site. US officials believe a significant quantity of Iran’s already-enriched uranium was stored at Isfahan deep underground.
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I think you do not know much about Iran,let me elaborate.
Iran is not the defender of Muslims,Hezbollah,Iraqi Shia militias,Houthis and Hamas are supported by Iran because in case of a war with Israel all of the above can defend/help Iran.
The Mullah entity is a six headed snake working against Muslim countries,you cannot trust Iran.
Sided with Armenia against Azerbaijan,Helped(still does) the PKK/YPG/SDF against Türkiye,helped Assad against the Syrian people etc.
Iran never fights one on one,always trying to backstab you.
So,coming to your possibility of coming together with Iran is a clear NEVER.
Pakistan is already our closest ally,we have a pact which cannot be broken by either side.
We assist them where we can,there are many JV's ongoing in Pakistan.
Many big defence companies like Aselsan,Roketsan etc are active in Pakistan.
What you want in the ME is not possible,regime change yes but it always stays the same.
Take a look at Afghanistan,no sane person would want the country ruled by the Taliban which means all Afghans are sheep,there isnt much what sheep can do but eat drink water and sleep.
Iran is almost the same thanks to the Mullah regime,you cant progress with such people.
All the ''good'' Iranians are gone,leaves only the weak/sheep.
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It seems like Iran-China relations are more complicated than what it seems from the outside.
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Its obvious what's coming to Iran. These jokers are finished.
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Iran also helped the USA invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Like Israel, backstabbing is in their nature.
Never thought Turkey Iranian so relationship is so negatively rooted, and irreparable, well Iran needs to build it's relations with neighbourly countries if they have a vision that middle should be free of western influence, stopping their backstabbing.
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If you look at iranian dealings with China, Russia its also been two faced from them. Their garbage, with their biggest achievement being the murder of Muslims. In the same way that zionists hide behind christianity in the west, the iranians hide behind islam within the wider Muslim world. In reality they are just as much an enemy of Muslims as Isreal is. Iran has been great business for zionism in the region. But eventually all "useful idiots" run out of use.
Worth pointing out that iran helped the american invasions of her neighbours too. These guys have that complex that crooked people have, where they think they are smarter then everyone else, but in reality they end up only playing themselves.
This is how the isrealis fly into your country and strike it at will, your country begs for a ceasefire and then declares victory.
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anyone with two braincells knew that attack was suicide. A year later and Gaza has been reduced to shit and the isrealis are turning syria, iraq and iran into their uncontested airspace.
we might very well be entering the golden age of Zionism in the region. Outside Turkiye, no one is left in the region to counter it. Can Turkiye alone counter the entire western bloc, unlikely.
When you look at the middle east its being entirely vassalized.
There is only one way out of this now for Iran and that is for her entire country to fall in line with the Turkiye, Azerbaijan, Pakistan axis. That's the only way out, she continues to behave in her idiotic ways, then she's finished. The isrealis will be bombing the shit out of them for years to come no different then gaza.
regime change is not what the zionists want, what they want is a destroyed, exhausted and divided iran. Regime change may allow the nation to recover and improve herself, this is not good for zionism. All nations are being brought down to 3rd world status.
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Hard words, but true.
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TRUMP'S SCANDALOUS WORDS AT NATO!!!
Our sources reports, at the NATO summit in The Hague on June 24-25,
Some of the leaders with whom Trump had bilateral meetings,
Trump said Article 5 (an armed attack on a NATO member state is considered an attack on all members) is voluntary and not a binding commitment,
If a NATO member is attacked by other non-NATO countries,
Trump said he would provide weapons, intelligence, and support to NATO members,
However, he stated that this did not include Turkey and Greece.
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In which way?
No one can trust the US and the west, when Turkiye did and waited for decades to be included in the European union they never did, they will never do because, turkey is a Islamic country, we all know how they excluded Turkiye sighting the S400 issue, the american west influenced coup against Turkiye government, and prevented from supplying crucial technological supplies like engine for Altay tank which set back the production for several years, the Canadians banning the camera for drones, and they took the wrong side to support during the war in Syria, rejecting Turkiye s interest, and security into account, they have proved to be unreliable, selfish, opportunists, on several occasions, all because Turkiye is not one of their kind. All good things happened to Turkiye, when turkey took a stand to stop relying on the west entirely and started to produce high tech military weapons on their own, and the two pronged stand of being in good relations with non NATO countries like Russia, China and others proved to be very fruitful, the west in short do not like Turkiye progressing in big way, in case of a Isreal Turkey conflict definitely the west would be on Israeli side, if they cannot prevent the war being taking place. Turkey needs the support of the western and American countries in economy and military manufacturing technologies, cooperations and so on. But the policy of maintaining, brotherly relationships with neighbours is very progressive, trusting US and the West, and be in a confrontational course, would be disadvantageous, as you cannot trust the west and US may back away at crucial times, and render the he nation to face everything alone,
Iranian Oil Production Booms Amid the Bombs
As the debate plays out over the damage done to the Iranian nuclear program by US and Israeli strikes, one reality is clear: The country’s booming energy sector, the cash cow of the regime, emerged unscathed.
The numbers don’t lie. Iranian oil output reached a 46-year high in 2024, according to recently released data. If anything, all available information for the first six months of 2025 suggests this year will see another increase in production.
Every time I hear an American official talk about US oil sanctions on Iran, I can’t help wonder: “What sanctions, exactly?” Increasingly, they exist only on paper while the White House hypes a nonexistent policy of “maximum pressure” on the Iranian oil sector. I only see maximum oil output.
“We have the sanctions on,” Donald Trump told Fox News on Sunday, as if the policy was working. “If they can be peaceful, and if they can show us they’re not going to do any more harm, I would take the sanctions off.” Surely, the Islamic Republic wants all sanctions – and not just the ones applied to its energy industry -- gone for good, but when it comes to oil, Trump has a lot less leverage than he implies. And Tehran knows it.
The story of how Iran beat US oil sanctions goes back several decades — mixing doses of American realpolitik with Iranian entrepreneurialism and the new geopolitical muscle of China. At times, it reflects how Washington turned a blind eye to obvious violations, preferring instead to keep oil prices down and inflation in check. At other times, it reflects the growth of Tehran and Beijing in sophistication and steadfastness to evade them.
Whatever the reasons, the results are the same. The Islamic Republic is earning more petrodollars than many thought possible. Last year, Iranian energy export1 revenue hit a 12-year high of $78 billion, up from the $18 billion in 2020 — a year marred by Covid — according to consultants FGE Energy.
The nation’s oil industry has been the subject of on-and-off US sanctions since November 1979, when Jimmy Carter imposed the first batch in response to the 444-day long hostage crisis. They were eased in 1981 after the Algiers Accords, which led to the release of the hostages, but reintroduced in 1987 by Ronald Reagan. They intensified in 1996, with Bill Clinton signing the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act, and from 2010 onward with a series of new measures, under Barack Obama.
But throughout, Washington often showed that keeping oil prices low was the priority. For example, the US Treasury allowed a prominent American oil trader named Oscar Wyatt to buy Iranian oil in 1991 after Iraq invaded Kuwait. (At the time, Saddam Hussein was seen as larger menace than Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.)
And there’s the evolution of the Iranian petroleum industry itself. Although crude attracts all the attention, over the last 10 years Tehran has emphasized the development of a corner of its oil industry that historically received less, if any, attention in Washington: condensates and natural gas liquids such as ethane, butane and propane.
They may fly under the radar, but they do count toward the overall oil output – and generate quite a lot of petrodollars, too. Last year, Iran produced about 4.3 million barrels a day of crude plus another 725,000 barrels a day of other liquids, for a total of nearly 5.1 million barrels a day. The estimate was published last month by the UK Energy Institute as part of its Statistical Review of World Energy, an annual publication that’s considered the industry’s data bible. Tehran hasn’t pumped more than 5 million barrels a day since 1978, the year before the Islamic Revolution ended the rule Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.
Developing its vast condensate and natural-gas liquids riches without foreign help wasn’t easy. But when sanctions stopped European and Asian firms, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, a powerful military organization that controls a wide range of local companies, stepped up. Over the last decade, Khatam-al Anbiya, a construction conglomerate managed by the Revolutionary Guards, has built key installations needed to process condensate and NGLs into usable products.
The wager has paid off. Today, “NGLs are Iran’s most lucrative exports after crude oil and natural gas,” the Iranian ministry of petroleum said in April. Propane brought last year $3.6 billion alone; with another $2.2 billion from butane. “Investing in NGL production is not just an economic opportunity but a strategic necessity to increase foreign currency revenue,” it added.
Having secured a new and growing oil stream under the nose of Washington, Tehran turned its attention to secure its crude exports. Beijing built a largely sanctions-proofed supply chain that includes oil tankers, ship-to-ship transfers, and the use of entities that operate outside the US dollar system.
It did help that the Biden administration turned a blind eye on what Tehran and Beijing were up to. The White House, worried about keeping oil prices down as it hit Russia with energy sanctions, concluded that achieving its objective of harming Moscow over its 2022 invasion of Ukraine required a laissez-faire approach to the Sino-Iranian oil trade. Today, China buys 90% of the oil Iran exports.
The 12-day war between Israel and Iran – with the later involvement of the US – hasn’t changed the situation on the ground for the Islamic Republic’s oil industry. In limited airstrikes, Israel damaged only a couple of Iranian petroleum assets that were quickly repaired. The White House quietly intervened to stop the war spilling into the energy sector. It will come in handy for Tehran during the reconstruction.
Iran has placed one foot on the US economic stability and the other on China's economic stability. Even if the Iran-Israel war continues, any steps that will affect the energy sector are unlikely.
In short, Iran will not close Hormuz unless a full-scale war breaks out.
However, if the equation is paralyzed and the crisis gets out of control, we will see the Chinese army there with all its might. Because the stability of the Chinese economy is dependent on cheap oil from Iran.
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