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What do they mean by VN-11 combat module? It is the name of Chinese heavy tracked IFV.
 

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Please refer to the original post Kazakstan MoD. It has more to offer.

In short KPI, a local company, seems to spread rumors about Arma, including the leak of the alleged sinking incident - that turned out to be a part of the test. Also claiming that their product Barys is not inferior to Arma and 40% cheaper. Moreover the same company, has rejected a request made by MoD to test their vehicle with the combat module. Nor they have attempted to solve the deficiencies in overall, but swept them beneath the rug hoping to be privileged at the tender.

Barys does not float, they haven't attempted to fix that, nor offers 100mm turret as required by the tender. According to the interview, they also seem to fail at providing earlier orders as required, not equipping wheeled armored vehicles with requested combat modules at the guaranteed pace.

In short; Kazakstan MoD bashing a local company KPI, in all aspects they could. Apply cold water to the burnt area, KPI. Hoped to see the same from Turkish MoD.
 

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Please refer to the original post Kazakstan MoD. It has more to offer.

In short KPI, a local company, seems to spread rumors about Arma, including the leak of the alleged sinking incident - that turned out to be a part of the test. Also claiming that their product Barys is not inferior to Arma and 40% cheaper. Moreover the same company, has rejected a request made by MoD to test their vehicle with the combat module. Nor they have attempted to solve the deficiencies in overall, but swept them beneath the rug hoping to be privileged at the tender.

Barys does not float, they haven't attempted to fix that, nor offers 100mm turret as required by the tender. According to the interview, they also seem to fail at providing earlier orders as required, not equipping wheeled armored vehicles with requested combat modules at the guaranteed pace.

In short; Kazakstan MoD bashing a local company KPI, in all aspects they could. Apply cold water to the burnt area, KPI. Hoped to see the same from Turkish MoD.
It was apparent that there were some foul play with that so called report from a month or two ago. Pity. Always the same with Paramount, can never do it the right way.

Per this 100mm gun thing, maybe they'll opt for a Chinese copy of the Russian turret as they don't want to get the BMP-3 turret like UAE did? Also keeps Otokar's name clear of any future business with Russia.
From wiki:
"China produces a similar gun used on the ZBD-04 IFV, using technologies licensed from Russia in 1996."
VN-11 is the export name of ZBD-004.

ZBD-004 with the mentioned turret. Don't know about the dimensions, but shouldn't be too hard for Otokar to handle it. Turret is probably a downgrade compared to what Otokar usually offers, but should be cheaper and keep the Kazakhs happy.
1920px-ZBD-04_-_front_right_view.jpg
 

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It was apparent that there were some foul play with that so called report from a month or two ago. Pity. Always the same with Paramount, can never do it the right way.

Per this 100mm gun thing, maybe they'll opt for a Chinese copy of the Russian turret as they don't want to get the BMP-3 turret like UAE did? Also keeps Otokar's name clear of any future business with Russia.
From wiki:
"China produces a similar gun used on the ZBD-04 IFV, using technologies licensed from Russia in 1996."
VN-11 is the export name of ZBD-004.

ZBD-004 with the mentioned turret. Don't know about the dimensions, but shouldn't be too hard for Otokar to handle it. Turret is probably a downgrade compared to what Otokar usually offers, but should be cheaper and keep the Kazakhs happy.
1920px-ZBD-04_-_front_right_view.jpg

Looks like this Turret was already equipped on Arma ?

Here it even took part in exercises under the observation by President Tokayev?
 

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Looks like this Turret was already equipped on Arma ?

Here it even took part in exercises under the observation by President Tokayev?
I hadn't even noticed, you're right!

This looks to be the turret of the VN20 heavy tracked IFV. It can also carry a single ATGM on its side.
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This is a 4 billion dollar deal so it being won is s success in itself but still, after using western turrets for years and even Russian ones, Turkish vehicles are now using Chinese ones. Being flexible is great, yes; but those turrets sometimes cost as much as the vehicle itself, so it's still lost revenue.
 

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I hadn't even noticed, you're right!

This looks to be the turret of the VN20 heavy tracked IFV. It can also carry a single ATGM on its side.
CdsTE2c.jpeg


This is a 4 billion dollar deal so it being won is s success in itself but still, after using western turrets for years and even Russian ones, Turkish vehicles are now using Chinese ones. Being flexible is great, yes; but those turrets sometimes cost as much as the vehicle itself, so it's still lost revenue.
Indeed we should have a modular turret with multiple caliber support such as Cockerill 3000 series.

https://johncockerill.com/en/defense-2/weapons-systems/cockerill-3000-series/
Lovely turret.
 

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Turkish armored vehicle manufacturer Otokar showed off its new ALPAR unmanned armored vehicle. The prototype was demonstrated with an Otokar MIZRAK-30 combat module with a 30 mm cannon and a Roketsan OMTAS ATGM. The machine has a low thermal signature and can operate autonomously or be controlled remotely from a distance of up to 5 km. Otokar expects that the ALPAR robot will reduce the number of personnel performing tasks on the battlefield and reduce the risk to which it is exposed. The weight of the ALPAR robotic platform is 12 tons, the power plant is hybrid, diesel-electric with the possibility of full electric propulsion. The car is controlled remotely by 2 people and it reaches speeds of up to 70 km/h, with a range of up to 500 km.

 

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We introduced so many IFV or APC like Pars Arma Tulpar finally which one be sersi production?

we cant use that ACV15 forever
 
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Ukraine tag is interesting. They are also playing the Britain angle with that flag. Are NMS and Ejder getting sent to Ukraine with a UK contract or are they eyeing a possible British contract to maybe replace Huskys, majority of which were sent to Ukraine?
 

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Open to suggestions for more configurations

KMC-U (4x UMTAS-GM)
MM-GIDS
Hypothetical SAM with 6x GÖKDOĞAN-YH/BOZDOĞAN-YH
20x TRLG-122
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We see that both hard-kill and soft-kill should be used simultenously for the best efficency in terms of countering and costs. Knowing MM-GIDS isn't spicy with cost, I feel like FELIX which has a 360 degree coverage against GSM and GPS signals widely used in simplistic drones could be the best option to fill out soft-kill. Loitering munitions and 12.7 mm gatling can take down not only UAVs but also infantry and lightly protected vehicles.
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THIS IS MADENSS
Madness?
THIS IS DALAR

The forbidden child of ALPAR and BUK series to support SAM batteries as a lower risk supplement. It uses a Buk styled turret with 6 canisters from GÖKDEMİR which is stated to be able to fire BOZDOĞAN aside from GÖKDOĞAN missiles.
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I think it can benefit from DASAL's ARIKUŞU package.

ARIKUŞU includes a retractable landing pad that keeps the drone safe during recharging.

If we couple it with SOTM, SANCAK-30 RCWS (SANCAK's VENOM LR variant exhibited on PARS 4x4 during IDEF2023) we could have a very agile and dependable armed recon vehicle.

(Almost makes me sad I don't have a ready PARS 4x4 model)
 
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