You know exactly what I mean, and yes SSB is not as independent as it once was. Murad Bayar isn't wasted just for nothing
Actualy I didn't know what you meant, that's why I asked. I didn't just want to assume based on a single sentence. Judging from this message I am forced to assume, you can correct me if you feel like I misinterpreted your message:
SSM did that, but since a few years it is SSB. Not independent but tied to the big boss, doing what big boss want to
Based on this sentence, it suggests that you assume corruption coming from Erdogan. Which is exactly the point I am trying to make in my previous message (#425). In which I stated that, because our politicians mud-slinging at each other we think a certain way. Either really positive or really negative about certain political leaders and party's. Which results in name calling and pointing the finger on others. Then it becomes a 'guilty until proven innocent' type of situation. Then you get the whole, "you are corrupt", "you are a traitor", etc. But all this is the result of propaganda coming from various channels like politicians's speeches, news papers, etc. And because very few of us actually fact check the things we read or hear, we tend to believe it. For instance, if I keep repeating that the earth is flat, eventually people will start to believe it. And there are actually people that believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it a fact and only results in people being mislead. It is the same idea with advertising and commercials, they induce Fear Of Missing Out (FOMO), "buy it before it gone!", "Limited edition Iphone's", etc and other emotions that incite us to spend our money. Same goes for political rhetoric: "refugee's will flood Europe", "mass corruption", "poverty is rampant", "supporting terrorism", etc.
Same goes for political mudslinging. They prey on our emotions and biases. We believe someone is a traitor or corrupt, because we want to believe, in order to preserve our current opinions and get rid of that uncomfortable feeling that we feel whenever we hear or read something that goes against our current opinion. So we, either convince ourselves that it is untrue (fake news), or we look to Google in a way that once we find a source that supports our opinion we stop researching further out of (subconscious) fear we might read something that goes against our opinions (this is called confirmation bias).
Most of our politians and reporters are not worthy of it. They prey on these emotions in order to consolidate their voter base. This in turn leads to polarization of the people, which eventually makes us weak against the outside world. It is not too much to ask our politicians and reporters to act responsibly, what they are currently doing is completely irresponsible. That is why there is such a big dichotomy and contrast between for instance sozcu and yeni safak. Both claim to be objective and factual, but neither are actually objective and factual, they both have a policy of being biased towards a political party/ideology of their choosing.
I am not saying this to point you out, but from what I read in your posts in this last few pages of this thread seems to suggests that you are also victim to political propaganda. In this day and age it is actually impossible not to fall victim, nor do I claim to be immune to this. We must count on each other to fill our blind spots. In your case your posts suggest a negative statement towards AKP/Erdogan in your case. This is not a healthy way of thinking, same goes for anti-CHP, etc sentiment also present in this forum. Different sides of the same coin. Your posts seem to at the very least suggests a distrust to AKP and seem to believe the corruption narrative. This shows that we have fallen victim to political propaganda and manipulation. It is our own responsibility to research what we read and not take what they say at face value. How I try to protect myself in such cases is to analyze the strategy. This is done by looking at recurring paterns in actions and statements made by organizations. For instance the government set a goal of 80%+ indiginization in the military industry, and all government and state institutions including SSB are acting accrodingly. That is how I can tell that their policy and strategy is based on achieving an independent defence industry because the steps to achieving this consistantly come back in the steps being taken within the industry.
The same idea can be applied in order to get an idea about political parties, media outlets and businesses. The thing that can mislead though is that, it needs to be recurring across many people and obviously the head of a set organization. If it comes from 1 or just a couple of people once in a while, doesnt necessarily mean that it is part of the organizations policy, but even the head of an organization can misspeak or be misquoted. But these types of incidents can be/are used to defame a whole political party, this is done to manipulate the people/us. We have seen this with all political parties in Turkey because like I said, it is not about objectivity but subjectivity. Not about what is true and right, but what is false and serves interests.
Regarding SSM/SSB:
SSM was tied to the ministry of defence. After the referendum it got tied directly to the presidency. Previously it was tied under the minister of defence, which was tied under the prime-minister. This means that even back when it was still SSM it was still under Erdogan, since he was prime-minister till 2014, SSM became SSB in 2017 when these changes were implemented.
If I got this correct, SSM was promoted to become a ministry but with the change in the system it is now called presidency (baskanlik). Instead of answering to the defence minister, it directly answers to top of the executive power (yurutmenin basi).
Source:
https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/gunun-basl...̧arliği-cumhurbaskanligina-baglandi-/1013570
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