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Carmel program is indeed about bringing forward the new generation of autonomous and unmanned ground combat vehicles. What's more surprising is that for that program, Elbit actually lost to IAI.
This was IAI's tech demonstrator for the program. Again, it looks like everything's just bolted on with cameras, Trophy radars, Spike's, flirs etc, but it's just a tech demo for the concept.
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İ would like to see Turkish UGV with CİRİT missiles as they could be used against flying targets such as helis, UAVs.
Also Cirit's 3kg warhead can waste IFVs, even the missile could damage MBTs and their expensive sensors, sights.
 

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There are an huuuge number of M113 chassis in inventories. In almost half the world. Their level of protection is certainly no longer sufficient for the front line. The only option is to send them for scrap; or use them in a heavy class UGV program to reduce the cost and produce them in high quantities in a short time. Another factor that makes these vehicles (A1/A2/A3) advantageous is that they are suitable for both LAPES (low altitude parachute extraction system) and LVAD(low velocity air drop) operations. Heavy UGVs, i mean unmanned IFVs, which can be airdropped by air transport squadrons into front line areas and areas where the line will expand, without the need for a base, can be a very valuable fire support vehicles.
 

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There are an huuuge number of M113 chassis in inventories. In almost half the world. Their level of protection is certainly no longer sufficient for the front line. The only option is to send them for scrap; or use them in a heavy class UGV program to reduce the cost and produce them in high quantities in a short time. Another factor that makes these vehicles (A1/A2/A3) advantageous is that they are suitable for both LAPES (low altitude parachute extraction system) and LVAD(low velocity air drop) operations. Heavy UGVs, i mean unmanned IFVs, which can be airdropped by air transport squadrons into front line areas and areas where the line will expand, without the need for a base, can be a very valuable fire support vehicles.
I wouldn't mind if we used M113's unmanned support vehicles for our infantry (or armor) in different configurations.

For example, a version can have 35 mm cannon with airburst ammunition and several G2A missiles for short range air defense, while another might completely focus on anti-tank capabilities with missiles, or can have something like Alkar integrated (would obviously need autoloader for that) for artillery support.

Imo, using these platforms for different purposes in unmanned form would be much better than keeping them as they are.
 

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There are an huuuge number of M113 chassis in inventories. In almost half the world. Their level of protection is certainly no longer sufficient for the front line. The only option is to send them for scrap; or use them in a heavy class UGV program to reduce the cost and produce them in high quantities in a short time. Another factor that makes these vehicles (A1/A2/A3) advantageous is that they are suitable for both LAPES (low altitude parachute extraction system) and LVAD(low velocity air drop) operations. Heavy UGVs, i mean unmanned IFVs, which can be airdropped by air transport squadrons into front line areas and areas where the line will expand, without the need for a base, can be a very valuable fire support vehicles.
i remember that Demir said they especially make it in a way that it can ben controlled remotely. Turkey also wants to use it t carry Barkan type round vehicle to the war, also recover and charge them if needed. using it as heavy unmanned ground vehicle would work.
you dont need to spend millions as these days those electronics cost more than this vehicle so if you put them, you need more protection too which is different here
 

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What’s the turret? Hopefully we get to see better photos with the teber turret in idef.

and now, where Pars V??
 
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There are an huuuge number of M113 chassis in inventories. In almost half the world. Their level of protection is certainly no longer sufficient for the front line. The only option is to send them for scrap; or use them in a heavy class UGV program to reduce the cost and produce them in high quantities in a short time. Another factor that makes these vehicles (A1/A2/A3) advantageous is that they are suitable for both LAPES (low altitude parachute extraction system) and LVAD(low velocity air drop) operations. Heavy UGVs, i mean unmanned IFVs, which can be airdropped by air transport squadrons into front line areas and areas where the line will expand, without the need for a base, can be a very valuable fire support vehicles.
Reusing a cheap chassis like the M113 makes sense only if the platform will be cheap, but it won't be cheap at all if we do like the Israelis and put an APS on it. It's silly to even put an expensive APS on a chassis that 50cal rounds can penetrate. If we're gonna reuse old chassis for a blinged out UGV, it should be a tank chassis or a newly designed UGV chassis. Otherwise just make it less protected but cost effective. The whole point of the UGV is that there's no humans inside that need protection.
 

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Reusing a cheap chassis like the M113 makes sense only if the platform will be cheap, but it won't be cheap at all if we do like the Israelis and put an APS on it. It's silly to even put an expensive APS on a chassis that 50cal rounds can penetrate. If we're gonna reuse old chassis for a blinged out UGV, it should be a tank chassis or a newly designed UGV chassis. Otherwise just make it less protected but cost effective. The whole point of the UGV is that there's no humans inside that need protection.
Turkey do not plan to put APS on them, where do you bring it from?
 

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For a long time i have been trying to figure out, which is better between FNSS PARS III 8X8 and OTOKAR ARMA 8X8?

They seems pretty similar in terms of overall capability.

@Sanchez et al.

Also, from that video it seems ARMA got some thick composite armor in both sides. 2:47


Is the protection level higher than level 4 of STANAG 4569?
 

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For a long time i have been trying to figure out, which is better between FNSS PARS III 8X8 and OTOKAR ARMA 8X8?

They seems pretty similar in terms of overall capability.

@Sanchez et al.

Also, from that video it seems ARMA got some thick composite armor in both sides. 2:47


Is the protection level higher than level 4 of STANAG 4569?
If you talk about armor, Nural Makina which owns FNSS, makes the best armor our of bor, however there are on expensive side, mostly used in ships and helicopters. Doesnt matter which one wins, they get the same armor from best capable Turkish company. All they need to do is the vehicle. But i fill like Turkey wants 40 to. Vehicle like arma 2, but obviously there would be need for these vehicles too,
 

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What’s the turret? Hopefully we get to see better photos with the teber turret in idef.

and now, where Pars V??

Could it be a 40mm Teber version? It gives me due to its size very 40mm vibes could be wrong though but lets compare to other 40mm turrets

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Korhan with its 35mm has a slimmer cannon IMO. My guess is its a 40mm version of the Teber seeing how FNSS already has 30mm and I believe 35mm version there would no reason for a new 30/35 turret in their portfolio.

Just spitballing here though.
 

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Could it be a 40mm Teber version? It gives me due to its size very 40mm vibes could be wrong though but lets compare to other 40mm turrets

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Korhan with its 35mm has a slimmer cannon IMO. My guess is its a 40mm version of the Teber seeing how FNSS already has 30mm and I believe 35mm version there would no reason for a new 30/35 turret in their portfolio.

Just spitballing here though.
You can change 30mm with 40mm without problem and 35mm with 50mm. Thats why i believe Turkey will go with 35mm as you could upgrade it to 50mm in the future if they develop such gun.
 

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Turkey's largest Environmental Test Center, continues its activities as the solution partner of our national defense industry.

Environmental tests of 8x8 competition prototypes within the scope of the New Generation Vehicles Project carried out by the Presidency of Defense Industries, TRTEST Test and Evaluation Inc.

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The first delivery of "Derman", which will strengthen the power of the Land Forces, was made


According to the written statement made by the SSB, the first vehicles developed within the framework of the "8x8 Wheeled Container Carrier Vehicle (DROPS) Project" initiated by Koluman AŞ and initiated to meet the needs of the Land Forces Command were delivered.

In the statement, Defense Industry President Haluk Görgün stated that they made the first delivery of "Derman", which was developed for the purpose of transporting armored vehicles, tanks and ammunition to the operational area, taking command centers and similar structures to desired locations, and salvaging damaged vehicles.

Görgün said, "I believe that the vehicle with 8x8 wheels, high ballistic protection, and high mobility in steep and inclined conditions will add strength to the field strength of our Land Forces Command, and I congratulate those who contributed to the project." used the phrase.

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Deliveries of 70 vehicles, 70 container transport platforms, 195 1CC 20 feet containers and 40 ZMA/ZPT transport platforms to be procured within the scope of the project are expected to be completed by the end of 2023.

The technical features of the armored logistics support vehicle Derman are as follows:

" - 8x8 Wheel Configuration

- Ballistic Protection in NATO Standard

- Engine with 517 HP

- Automatic Transmission with 16 Forward, 4 Reverse Gears

- Operating between minus 32 °C and plus 49 °C

- High Mobility

- Mobility in 60 percent Steep, 30 percent Side Slope

- 110 km/h Top Speed

- Flat Drain Wheel System

- Central Tire Inflation System

- Personnel Compartment Automatic Fire Extinguishing and Explosion Suppression System

- Ability to Carry 20 Tons of 1CC Container

- Ability to Carry ZMA/ZPT."

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