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Any country that chains itself to one resource is doomed to fall.

I remember decades ago how the Gulf had to diversify there was articles even written by experts both gulf Arab and foreign. But as usual the Gulf did not pay attention as they took it for granted or got lazy or perhaps so addicted to oil it was hard to cut loose.

The Gulf is scrambling to diversify will they successful well doing rushed reforms can create a lot of problems.
The biggest problem with the Gulf states is the "One man rule". The have no sense of what pluralism is. One man (the ruler) makes all the decisions pertinent for the whole country. Never a protest or an uprising.

Algeria a 45 million country, has a presidential government with two houses of parliament. Governments are never perfect. Yet the most important is the voice of the people. The Algerian public constantly make protests by millions. The government take their cues from public protests and make changes accordingly. It is like a thermometer. Many in the government were recently put in jail for corruption after the public protested their wrongdoings. Becoming free and independent is a never ending ongoing process. My advice is to always be critical and demanding of your government among co-citizens, and always defend and protect the flag when outsiders try to undermine your nation.
 
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What will happen to the al-wattiya air base will there be any F-16s?

Right now there is no movement and a stalemate, Libya is currently trying to solve their problems diplomatically. There will be no such moves as long as there is no escalation in terms of fighting.

Turkey seems to be happy with what has been achieved. Solid foothold, good enough to have a seat and say at everything that is happening in Libya.
 

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Right now there is no movement and a stalemate, Libya is currently trying to solve their problems diplomatically. There will be no such moves as long as there is no escalation in terms of fighting.

Turkey seems to be happy with what has been achieved. Solid foothold, good enough to have a seat and say at everything that is happening in Libya.
You are kidding right?
How the hell is this a stalemate?
Havent you read General Haftar recent statements? This isnt the words of someone who is going to fall in the elections. In fact, i just did some research and found out that the majority (not by much tbh) does live in turkish controlled areas; thus, the prospects of Haftar winning is really low yet somehow he is quite confident and recently anounced that his forces wont submit to anyone and that the elections should be done at its scheduled time! These are the words of someone who is sure of winning and not Losing

I reiterate my position that it was a mistake to sign the damn ceasefire without taking Sirte as this means that majority of Libya's riches are still within the hands of the UAE which is the perfect political tool against the HUNGRY west

Not to mention that the recent ceasefire just gave the leeway for the UAE to gather another batch of shittons of money

The prospects arent in Turkey's favour IMO especially when there are rumors that the USA wanna ally with Haftar (although they are from unofficial sources yet recent US statements do suggest otherwise)
 

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I dont know if we saw two different wars but after taking that airbase and the surroundings there was a brief push that failed towards east and an attack on the Turkish controlled airbase that was never revenged. So I'd call win for the initial push and stalemate right now.
 

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"I don't think people will be happy to be governed by tribal chiefs." The populations of the Gulf states see it differently, unfortunately. Saudis and Emiratis see their regimes as the "best" in the world. They don't believe in the democratic systems that countries like Tunisia and Algeria are in the process implementing. Gulf states and doing every thing to sabotage Muslim countries that have democratic institutions and freedom.
True but this is because money is flowing to the average citizen without a problem. If somehow the flow of money stops there will be unrest among people. Saudi Arabia started to feel that as their population is very big compared to gulf states. UAE and Saudi Arabia also are at odds with some regional problems and they are already feeding Egypt a huge Arab country. Billions of dollars keep flowing there to keep the Sisi in power. Now they have to pay Kays Saed in Tunis.

So currently KSA and UAE are paying huge money for weapons.
for their own people to keep them rich.
for countries like Egypt, Tunis, Lebanon etc. to cover the expenses to keep those countries from exploding and keep people close to them at the helm.
for financing military interventions in Yemen, Libya etc.

When oil money dries there is no way they can sustain that.
 

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True but this is because money is flowing to the average citizen without a problem. If somehow the flow of money stops there will be unrest among people. Saudi Arabia started to feel that as their population is very big compared to gulf states. UAE and Saudi Arabia also are at odds with some regional problems and they are already feeding Egypt a huge Arab country. Billions of dollars keep flowing there to keep the Sisi in power. Now they have to pay Kays Saed in Tunis.

So currently KSA and UAE are paying huge money for weapons.
for their own people to keep them rich.
for countries like Egypt, Tunis, Lebanon etc. to cover the expenses to keep those countries from exploding and keep people close to them at the helm.
for financing military interventions in Yemen, Libya etc.

When oil money dries there is no way they can sustain that.

"So currently KSA and UAE are paying huge money for weapons." Yes, between the two, about $100Billion dollars yearly. Crazy amount of money.

"for countries like Egypt, Tunis, Lebanon etc. to cover the expenses to keep those countries from exploding" True about Egypt and Lebanon, but for Tunis we are not sure yet. Tunis can still be saved from folding under the UAE.

"for financing military interventions in Yemen, Libya etc." : These are criminal operations conducted mostly by Australian and French pilots, resulting in war crimes against civilians. I can't imagine the UAE having their own Emirati pilots capable to fly such sophisticated Jet fighters.
 

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Tablet left by mercenary exposes Russian group's role in Libya​

BY DAILY SABAH​

ISTANBUL AFRICA
AUG 11, 2021 11:46 AM GMT+3
Members of the military engineering team dismantle mines in Abu Grein, Libya, March 13, 2021. (REUTERS Photo)
Members of the military engineering team dismantle mines in Abu Grein, Libya, March 13, 2021. (REUTERS Photo)



Atablet left by a mercenary for the Russian Wagner Group in Libya provides evidence of the mercenaries' involvement in the mining and booby-trapping of civilian areas and other possible war crimes, BBC News reported Wednesday.

The investigation, mostly conducted through the evidence provided by the content of the tablet, has revealed the scale of operations by the shadowy Russian mercenary group in Libya's civil war, which includes links to war crimes and the Russian military.

As the BBC reported, they also managed to gain rare access to two former fighters. One of them admitted that the group kills prisoners. "No one wants an extra mouth to feed."

One Libyan villager described how he played dead as his relatives were killed. His testimony helped the BBC team identify a suspected killer.
Describing another possible war crime, a Libyan government soldier also recalled how a comrade, his friend, surrendered to Wagner fighters but was shot twice in the stomach. The soldier has not seen him since, nor three other friends who were taken away at the same time.

Exposing the group's key role in Libya, the tablet also reveals traceable fighter code names.

As reported, the tablet provided evidence of the mercenaries' involvement in the mining and booby-trapping of civilian areas, underlining that placing land mines without marking them is a war crime.

The tablet was left behind by an unknown Wagner fighter after the group's mercenaries retreated from areas south of Tripoli in spring 2020.
With the support of Arab and Western countries – mainly Russia, France, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), mercenaries and foreign fighters – putschist Gen. Khalifa Haftar's eastern-based militia in Libya fought the former internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA).

Turkey was the main backer of the GNA against the illegitimate eastern-based Haftar forces during their offensive to capture Tripoli from the legitimate government. Turkey's military support led to a GNA victory over Haftar's forces. Since then, Libya has been going through a United Nations-led political process in a relatively stable and peaceful environment.

The founded tablet's contents include maps in Russian of the front line, giving confirmation of Wagner's significant presence and unprecedented insight into the group's operations.

"There is drone footage and codenames of Wagner fighters, at least one of whom the BBC believes it has identified," the report stated.
When asked about the claims by BBC, Russia's Foreign Ministry said that it is doing "its utmost to promote a cease-fire and a political settlement to the crisis in Libya."

The ministry added that details about Wagner in Libya are mostly based on "rigged data" and were aimed at "discrediting Russia's policy" in Libya.

On the other hand, one of the ex-mercenaries of Wagner told BBC that the Wagner is "a structure, aimed at promoting the interests of the state beyond our country's borders."

Mercenaries from the Russian Wagner Group based in war-torn Libya threaten the security and stability of the whole North Africa region, especially the country's neighbors.

Formed back in 2014 in Ukraine and owned by businessperson Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner Group is intensely involved in several conflicts. The group made its presence most pronounced in Syria and Libya, where Russia actively participated in the civil war and reportedly used the Wagner Group as its proxy in the region. The United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), on July 24, 2020, accused Russia of “playing an unhelpful role in Libya by delivering supplies and equipment to the Wagner group.”

The Wagner Group has 2,000 personnel in Libya, according to the command. Currently, the group has bases in the cities of Sirte and Jufra.
According to diplomats, there are estimated to be "more than 20,000" foreign mercenaries in Libya, and Libyan authorities, U.N. officials and world powers have demanded that these mercenaries leave.

 

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Armies protect capitals, not storm them: Libya's PM Dbeibah​

BY DAILY SABAH WITH AA​

ISTANBUL AFRICA
AUG 11, 2021 10:37 AM GMT+3
Forces loyal to putschist Gen. Khalifa Haftar gather in the city of Benghazi, on their way to back up fellow fighters on the front line west of the city of Sirte, Libya, June 18, 2020. (AFP Photo)
Forces loyal to putschist Gen. Khalifa Haftar gather in the city of Benghazi, on their way to back up fellow fighters on the front line west of the city of Sirte, Libya, June 18, 2020. (AFP Photo)



At a celebration marking the 81st anniversary of the establishment of the Libyan army, making an unmistakable reference to a failed April 2019 attack on the capital Tripoli by putschist Gen. Khalifa Haftar's militia, Libya's Prime Minister Abdul Hamid Mohammed Dbeibah stated Tuesday that national armies are meant to protect their capitals, not storm them.

"Capitals are precious pearls, and armies were founded to protect them, not to storm them, terrorize their people, and destroy their property, and no national army can terrorize its people and cities for any reason," said Dbeibah, according to state TV Al-Watania.

On June 4, 2020, the Libyan army announced the liberation of Tripoli from Haftar's militia, following an offensive that left countless civilians dead and wounded, along with extensive material damage and destruction.

The withdrawal of Haftar's militias from other areas of the country was followed by the discovery of many mass graves.
According to Libyan official sources, Haftar's forces and affiliated militias committed war crimes and acts of genocide in the period between April 2019 and June 2020.

Since June, following the defeat of Haftar's forces in western parts of Libya, the Libyan government found at least 300 dead bodies in mass graves in Tarhuna and south of Tripoli.

"The army's job is to protect our land, sea, and air borders" without prejudice," Dbeibah said, adding that "the Libyan army was born to protect peace," not issue threats.

He stressed that "he who takes war as a means lacks far-sightedness as he sacrifices everyone for the sake of flimsy arrogance."
In the wake of the 2011 death of strongman leader Moammar Gadhafi, the oil-rich country suffered through years of armed conflict.
With the support of Arab and Western countries, mercenaries, and foreign fighters, Haftar's militia fought the former internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA), which enjoyed Turkish support.

Turkey was the main backer of the GNA against the illegitimate eastern-based Haftar forces during their offensive to capture Tripoli from the legitimate government. Turkey's military support led to a GNA victory over Haftar's forces. Since then, Libya has been going through United Nations-led political process in a relatively stable and peaceful environment.

"The prestigious army institution cannot be affiliated with a person, whatever his capacity, but rather he is our army and the protector of our protection," Dbeibah asserted.

On Monday, Haftar said that his militia would not be subordinate to the current authority, and would only deal with "an authority directly elected by the people."

This year Libya has witnessed a political breakthrough under U.N. auspices. On March 16, an elected transitional authority made up of a unity government and a presidential council, assumed their duties to lead the country through a transitional phase to parliamentary and presidential elections slated for Dec. 24.

But Haftar is still flouting the legitimate government and leads an armed militia that controls many areas, and calls himself the "commander-in-chief of the Libyan Armed Forces," challenging the Presidential Council's authority.

Meanwhile, the United States ambassador and special envoy to Libya began a two-day visit to Egypt's capital of Cairo on Tuesday to meet with Haftar and Egyptian officials, according to an official announcement.

Richard Norland's visit comes as part of Washington's efforts to "support Libyan parliamentary and presidential elections in December," the U.S. Embassy to Libya said on Twitter.

"Amb. Norland continues to focus on the urgency of supporting the difficult compromises necessary to establish the constitutional basis and legal framework needed now in order for the elections to take place on Dec. 24," the embassy tweeted.

It also affirmed the U.S.' support for Libyans to choose their leaders within the democratic framework and urged "key figures" to play an effective role to this end.

 

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There are interferences and influences all over the planet, but with variation. You claim in your view that Algeria is subject to Western influence, then tell me why Algeria's next door neighbor Morocco has already normalized with Israel, while Algeria hasn't and never will, as long as the Zionist entity refuses to vacate Palestinian land to allow the Palestinians build their rightful state. The Arab regimes who obey the West, have stopped supporting Palestine altogether.

Two milestones regarding Algeria & Palestine: (1) 1974 Arafat speech at the UN in New York, Arafat entered NY on an Algerian airplane, with an Algerian passport. (2) 1988, Declaration of the creation of the Palestinian State in Algiers, when no Arab county would dare accept hosting this historic event, by fear of Israel and the West.

At the time when all the Arab regimes have already given up on Palestine, the 45 Million Algerians believe with absolute certainty that Palestine will be free sooner on later, as long as all Palestine supporters will continue fighting for it.
Offcourse influence comes with varation. Just the way you talked seemed like algeria is on a different planet... When it comes to morocco, then we have to look at historical facts. During the cold war era Morocco sided with the west, while algeria went with Russia/communism. We also have to remember that almost 1million in so called "Israel" have moroccan origin. However its very known that moroccan state have had contact with Israel already since early 1960s. Thank you for sharing your two milestones. Its a big shame that the muslim world or arab world have given up on Palestine or remain silent, but to say that they have stopped supporting Palestine is a to wide statement that dont reflect the truth. For example Morocco is one of few arab countries that support a two state solution diplomatically in public, and have always during all wars in gaza supported the people with humanitarian aid, and food. I also have to mention that Morocco is one of few countries that have established a millitary hospital physically in Gaza. Anyway its not a competition, i wish good for the hole world!
 

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"So currently KSA and UAE are paying huge money for weapons." Yes, between the two, about $100Billion dollars yearly. Crazy amount of money.

"for countries like Egypt, Tunis, Lebanon etc. to cover the expenses to keep those countries from exploding" True about Egypt and Lebanon, but for Tunis we are not sure yet. Tunis can still be saved from folding under the UAE.

"for financing military interventions in Yemen, Libya etc." : These are criminal operations conducted mostly by Australian and French pilots, resulting in war crimes against civilians. I can't imagine the UAE having their own Emirati pilots capable to fly such sophisticated Jet fighters.
Hiring Wagner and foreign pilots/advisors/specialists or supplying weapons(Pantsirs, UAVs, ATGM, MRAPs you name it) and logistics(ammo, food, medical supplies, infrastructure to operate and maintain weapons systems) to UAE-backed parties are not cheap that is what I wanted to say in the last sentence. And if you combine all the things I wrote, huge money is needed and sustaining those expenses over multiple years and decades that is impossible when oil money dries.
 

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Sirte was lost without even firing a bullet.

God Damn those Salafists who handed over the city to Haftar.
 

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Hiring Wagner and foreign pilots/advisors/specialists or supplying weapons(Pantsirs, UAVs, ATGM, MRAPs you name it) and logistics(ammo, food, medical supplies, infrastructure to operate and maintain weapons systems) to UAE-backed parties are not cheap that is what I wanted to say in the last sentence. And if you combine all the things I wrote, huge money is needed and sustaining those expenses over multiple years and decades that is impossible when oil money dries.

Hiring Wagner and foreign pilots/advisors/specialists or supplying weapons(Pantsirs, UAVs, ATGM, MRAPs you name it) and logistics(ammo, food, medical supplies, infrastructure to operate and maintain weapons systems) to UAE-backed parties are not cheap that is what I wanted to say in the last sentence. And if you combine all the things I wrote, huge money is needed and sustaining those expenses over multiple years and decades that is impossible when oil money dries.

Sirte was lost without even firing a bullet.

God Damn those Salafists who handed over the city to Haftar.
Haftar was brought in by the troublemakers UAE, Egypt and Russia. But I think these will be his last days. But UAE is a problem for the whole region which needs to be addressed sooner better than later.
 

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Offcourse influence comes with varation. Just the way you talked seemed like algeria is on a different planet... When it comes to morocco, then we have to look at historical facts. During the cold war era Morocco sided with the west, while algeria went with Russia/communism. We also have to remember that almost 1million in so called "Israel" have moroccan origin. However its very known that moroccan state have had contact with Israel already since early 1960s. Thank you for sharing your two milestones. Its a big shame that the muslim world or arab world have given up on Palestine or remain silent, but to say that they have stopped supporting Palestine is a to wide statement that dont reflect the truth. For example Morocco is one of few arab countries that support a two state solution diplomatically in public, and have always during all wars in gaza supported the people with humanitarian aid, and food. I also have to mention that Morocco is one of few countries that have established a millitary hospital physically in Gaza. Anyway its not a competition, i wish good for the hole world!
Israel has revealed that Morocco tipped off Israeli intelligence, ‘helped Israel win Six Day War’. King Hassan ll sharpened Israel’s edge by providing secret recordings of Arab leadership discussions in run-up to war, says former Israeli military intelligence chief.
This is called treason. Other Arab monarchies did it as well. All this info is in the public domain. This means that Arab regimes like Morocco gave all the tools to Israel for winning its wars and never gave a chance for Palestine to gain its independence. I rest my case.
 
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Hiring Wagner and foreign pilots/advisors/specialists or supplying weapons(Pantsirs, UAVs, ATGM, MRAPs you name it) and logistics(ammo, food, medical supplies, infrastructure to operate and maintain weapons systems) to UAE-backed parties are not cheap that is what I wanted to say in the last sentence. And if you combine all the things I wrote, huge money is needed and sustaining those expenses over multiple years and decades that is impossible when oil money dries.
They'd just tie it with Libyas own oil. And with so much wait and be patient, while cards change hand or becomes favorable. Just like how YPG has oilfields and don't pump at full capacity.
 

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They'd just tie it with Libyas own oil. And with so much wait and be patient, while cards change hand or becomes favorable. Just like how YPG has oilfields and don't pump at full capacity.
Russia, France, UAE and Egypt act as vultures fighting to acquire Libyan oil and other natural resources. We in Algeria, with a 1000 km border with Libya, seek the stability of the neighbor Libya and the welfare of the Libya people. Algeria welcomes Turkey's presence in Libya as a stabilizing force
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creating balance against the Russia-Egypt-UAE axis.
 

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Israel has revealed that Morocco tipped off Israeli intelligence, ‘helped Israel win Six Day War’. King Hassan ll sharpened Israel’s edge by providing secret recordings of Arab leadership discussions in run-up to war, says former Israeli military intelligence chief.
This is called treason. Other Arab monarchies did it as well. All this info is in the public domain. This means that Arab regimes like Morocco gave all the tools to Israel for winning its wars and never gave a chance for Palestine to gain its independence. I rest my case.
You keep jumping from topic to topic. I answer your questions or make a comment, and then you just send another link haha.Anyway i wish prosperity of Libya and North africa :)
 
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