TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[Sanchez]

The landing gear on the left of the picture of the Aksungur is French. Beringer.

Also if thos was an engine failure, that says a lot about whether it's even possible to produce a jet fighter engine in the next few years

Beringer makes wheel assemblies and more importantly brake systems for light vehicles like aircraft and motorbikes. Baylar also uses(or used to use) them.

Aside from this being too early to say anything, an in production diesel engine like PD-170 failing in flight doesn’t mean much for a turbofan engine. Not sure how can we reach that.

 

[Ryder]

The landing gear on the left of the picture of the Aksungur is French. Beringer.

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Also if thos was an engine failure, that says a lot about whether it's even possible to produce a jet fighter engine in the next few years

Engine development is all trial and error.

Along with testing alongside maturity which take decades.

Regardless if its tanks, cars, f1 or even jet fighters. It comes with positives and negatives.

If it was engine failure this means the engine will have to be improved. If it was downed by combat related issue this will lead to more improvements and countermeasures.

I doubt PKK has downed the Aksungur as they have no capabilties to down it even their Manpads cant reach the Aksungurs altitude.

 

[Nutuk]

Engine development is all trial and error.

Along with testing alongside maturity which take decades.

Regardless if its tanks, cars, f1 or even jet fighters. It comes with positives and negatives.

If it was engine failure this means the engine will have to be improved. If it was downed by combat related issue this will lead to more improvements and countermeasures.

I doubt PKK has downed the Aksungur as they have no capabilties to down it even their Manpads cant reach the Aksungurs altitude.

Manpads maybe not, what about medium range AD?

Do we know what the US has handed the YPG? We lost 4 drones since June this year, 2 of them in the Kandil area

 

[Ryder]

Manpads maybe not, what about medium range AD?

Do we know what the US has handed the YPG? We lost 4 drones since June this year, 2 of them in the Kandil area

If the pkk or ypg operating such ADs wouldnt it be exposed already?

It could be Us electronic warfare or maybe the Usa downed it.

Usa downing our drones basically sends a message to us that we are with the pkk/ypg through and through.

I dont think Iranians ews are powerful but they cant be discounted either.

 

[Nutuk]

If it was exposed we would already hunt for the AD systems. We don't know.

We also do not know whether our drones were shot down (except one in Syria that was downed by the US F16) or crashed due to internal failure (is possible too)


What we do know is that we lost 4 drones within 6 months (2 in Kandil area, one in Gara area, all in Iraq, and one in Syria) that we cannot rule out whether or not they have been shot down. It is very possible that YPG/PKK got MR AD systems from the US.

 

[Kartal1]

If it was exposed we would already hunt for the AD systems. We don't know.

We also do not know whether our drones were shot down (except one in Syria that was downed by the US F16) or crashed due to internal failure (is possible too)


What we do know is that we lost 4 drones within 6 months (2 in Kandil area, one in Gara area, all in Iraq, and one in Syria) that we cannot rule out whether or not they have been shot down. It is very possible that YPG/PKK got MR AD systems from the US.

Such a system is not something that can go under the radar of the intelligence. This is not a system that you can hide like that. The moment such system arrives it will be hit.

MANPADS or/and malfunctions are the likely causes.

 

[Kartal1]

Our operations against the terrorist organization PKK continue with determination. 6 PKK terrorists detected in the Hakurk region in northern Iraq were neutralized by an air operation. Our operations will continue until the last terrorist is neutralized.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723978147039740200

 

[DBdev]

4 drones gone TSK as usual have no clue. At least 100 million USD is evaporated. Why did we pay billions to E-7Ts? They would detect manpads and koral should detect EW attacks. Send them to border to investigate constantly from now on. Sheesh. When will TSK wake up, after 44 drones?

Mount Gara peak (ex palace of Saddam) has altitude of 2017 meters. Kandil peak is 3587 meters. If operational altitude of our drones are around 20.000 feet (6096 meters) that high of a firing altitude puts our drones well in the range of MANPADs (up to 4000 m). I personally did not see any shrapnel. So it could be a hit to kill type MANPAD.

 

[Sanchez]

4 drones gone TSK as usual have no clue. At least 100 million USD is evaporated. Why did we pay billions to E-7Ts? They would detect manpads and koral should detect EW attacks. Send them to border to investigate constantly from now on. Sheesh. When will TSK wake up, after 44 drones?

TSK more than likely have some ideas of what happened. What will they publicly share is another question.

 

[Kartal1]

UCAV of the National Intelligence Organization MIT hit a vehicle in Sinjar. Three terrorists are reported to be killed in the strike.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724168225116619059

 

[Heartbang]

CEO of Anduril Palmer Lucky is talking about pumping CO2 into tunnels to make the enemy give up. A technique worth considering, IMO.

 

[Bogeyman]

MİT neutralized the so-called Kirkuk Province Chief Remzi Avcı, who was wanted in the red category of the terrorist organization PKK/KCK, in Sulaymaniyah in the north of Iraq.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724317635976839557

 

[Kartal1]

UCAV of the National Intelligence Organization MIT hit a vehicle in Sinjar. Three terrorists are reported to be killed in the strike.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724168225116619059

The identity of two of the killed terrorists in yesterday's MIT UCAV strike were revealed by PKK/YBS.

Meanwhile our air forces are continuing their work. 10 PKK terrorists detected in the Qandil and Hakurk regions in northern Iraq were neutralized.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724328840292421781

Regular patrols, search and destroy operations are also going on from the ground. IED that was found in the Claw-Lock AO was destroyed by our EOD teams.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724360690528333871

Commander of the Land Forces, General Selcuk BAYRAKTAROGLU, inspected the Claw Operations, which continue successfully in the north of Iraq, on site.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723633288185536630

 

[Ryder]

The identity of two of the killed terrorists in yesterday's MIT UCAV strike were revealed by PKK/YBS.

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Meanwhile our air forces are continuing their work. 10 PKK terrorists detected in the Qandil and Hakurk regions in northern Iraq were neutralized.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724328840292421781

Regular patrols, search and destroy operations are also going on from the ground. IED that was found in the Claw-Lock AO was destroyed by our EOD teams.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1724360690528333871

Commander of the Land Forces, General Selcuk BAYRAKTAROGLU, inspected the Claw Operations, which continue successfully in the north of Iraq, on site.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723633288185536630

Why do so many Yazidis join the PKK.

The ybs logo seems to be ancient persian symbol. Yazidism also has Zoroastrianism in its religion.

 

[Sanchez]

Why do so many Yazidis join the PKK.

The ybs logo seems to be ancient persian symbol. Yazidism also has Zoroastrianism in its religion.

Complicated but gist of it is that Iraqis, KRG and we left them to fend for themselves against ISIS. PKK and US basically worked together for a time there. Turns out, huge mistake on our part.

 

[Tornadoss]

Complicated but gist of it is that Iraqis, KRG and we left them to fend for themselves against ISIS. PKK and US basically worked together for a time there. Turns out, huge mistake on our part.

I always wonder how would it be if Turkey would fight against ISIS when they emerged at our borders instead of US and pkk to fill the void there.

 

[Bozan]

Complicated but gist of it is that Iraqis, KRG and we left them to fend for themselves against ISIS. PKK and US basically worked together for a time there. Turns out, huge mistake on our part.

Basically this and the consequences are Yazidis don't want to be a part of any military formation to do with Hashd, islamism or the KRG as a result of this, which only leaves the PKK. After all, during ISIS it was yazidi neighbours who betrayed them to ISIS, so they don't trust any other group now. PKK gained a lot of good will from them as a result.

The entire policy of "do nothing and watch" will haunt the country for years to come with ISIS, lost so many opportunities, so damaging.

 

[Bozan]

I always wonder how would it be if Turkey would fight against ISIS when they emerged at our borders instead of US and pkk to fill the void there.

My thoughts are that Davutoglu's "Arab opening" (really Muslim brotherhood opening) with Arabs on the border was completely wrong, as it is mostly Kurds on the border with Syria and Iraq overall. Hitting ISIS early and becoming the patron of the Kurdish entity in Syria moulded to our liking would have ensured we had friendly entities on all sides of our borders that we had major influence in and prevented the spread of the PKK.

Furthermore the availability of alternatives would have meant the SNA entity would either have to be better and fight Assad or be abandoned if they continued infighting, criminality. We would have much more say in Syria and Iraq. We likely would have strengthened the more sensible SNA factions instead of the crazy islamic ones.

Instead the PKK spread everywhere alongside Iranian IRGC and Iranian proxies.

I sometimes think this is what Erdogan wanted, because what better way to turn the public against the west than to declare a conflict with a western proxy on the borders? This would make campaigning, elections so much easier for Erdogan in addition to supporting his idealogy.

 

[Ryder]

Sna clowns actually came close to destroying Bashar Al Assad they took like 60 to 70 percent of the country and were marching on Damascus.

Literally rumours of Bashar Al assad going into exile but instead the SNA clowns began to fight each other then Isis crossed into Syria also got Nusra into the mix.

Then came Russian intervention alongside the USA going in.

Turkiye relied too much on their proxy clowns to finish the job then beated around the bush.

Erdogan has himself to blame also relying on the Wests bullshit goodwill.

 

[Ryder]

My thoughts are that Davutoglu's "Arab opening" (really Muslim brotherhood opening) with Arabs on the border was completely wrong, as it is mostly Kurds on the border with Syria and Iraq overall. Hitting ISIS early and becoming the patron of the Kurdish entity in Syria moulded to our liking would have ensured we had friendly entities on all sides of our borders that we had major influence in and prevented the spread of the PKK.

Furthermore the availability of alternatives would have meant the SNA entity would either have to be better and fight Assad or be abandoned if they continued infighting, criminality. We would have much more say in Syria and Iraq. We likely would have strengthened the more sensible SNA factions instead of the crazy islamic ones.

Instead the PKK spread everywhere alongside Iranian IRGC and Iranian proxies.

I sometimes think this is what Erdogan wanted, because what better way to turn the public against the west than to declare a conflict with a western proxy on the borders? This would make campaigning, elections so much easier for Erdogan in addition to supporting his idealogy.

You cant mold the Kurds to your liking.

Ottomans tried centuries to mold the Kurds into their liking instead got numerous rebellions.

Kurds are only loyal to their tribes and clans. Hence why a Kurdistan will never work.

Hence why we need to give up molding up Arabs and the Kurds. Because they will never see Turks as their leaders.