TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[Slayer]

Poisonous gas, is that not an option. Even the pressure resistant rooms can be reached through air vents.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Poisonous gas, is that not an option. Even the pressure resistant rooms can be reached through air vents.

That's a war crime. We don't roll like that.

But idk why we just don't blow up the entry points with lots and lots of TNT. And when I say lots, I mean a fuck ton. Cause massive cave-ins and whatnot. Maybe it's been tried, I'm not an expert on the matter. From what I understand, the circumstances in northern Iraq are unique. The mountainous terrain, weather, huge tunnel/cave networks, PKK use of thermals and other US supplied gear.

Also, I've read about how our high-tech solutions don't really find their way to the frontline. All the flashy stuff remain in the defence fairs. I don't think it's the Russian style corruption, but bureucratic roadblocks. The end result is terrorists having more advanced gear than our soldiers.

Something has to change.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Poisonous gas, is that not an option. Even the pressure resistant rooms can be reached through air vents.

You already know that it is rightly ostracized and is an absolute war crime. Just because terrorists commit war crimes against soldiers, police and civilians doesn't mean you should do it yourself.
The second you use chemical and biological weapons, you are no longer different from those you are fighting.
Should Turkey be known for fighting people with chemical and biological weapons? Regardless of whether they are terrorists or not, for people abroad to blame or accuse us of more genocide in this case Turkey...
Chemical & biological weapons must never be an option.

 

[Ryder]

That's a war crime. We don't roll like that.

But idk why we just don't blow up the entry points with lots and lots of TNT. And when I say lots, I mean a fuck ton. Cause massive cave-ins and whatnot. Maybe it's been tried, I'm not an expert on the matter. From what I understand, the circumstances in northern Iraq are unique. The mountainous terrain, weather, huge tunnel/cave networks, PKK use of thermals and other US supplied gear.

Also, I've read about how our high-tech solutions don't really find their way to the frontline. All the flashy stuff remain in the defence fairs. I don't think it's the Russian style corruption, but bureucratic roadblocks. The end result is terrorists having more advanced gear than our soldiers.

Something has to change.

We are no different to Russia or even the Middle East for that matter lmaooo

Its either corruption, bureaucratic bullcrap or the usual pickpocketing of military funds into some assholes pocket so he can buy himself a mansion.

Turkiye is also close to the Balkans we all love our corruption even if it comes at a cost to the people who defend your nation.

But still we will tell soldiers to fight with whatever they got or telling them that God/Allah is with us.

Once again we treat God like a lucky charm. If we cant even take precautions what good would fighting will bring when you are not equipped with the tools.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We are no different to Russia or even the Middle East for that matter lmaooo

Its either corruption, bureaucratic bullcrap or the usual pickpocketing of military funds into some assholes pocket so he can buy himself a mansion.

Turkiye is also close to the Balkans we all love our corruption even if it comes at a cost to the people who defend your nation.

But still we will tell soldiers to fight with whatever they got or telling them that God/Allah is with us.

Once again we treat God like a lucky charm. If we cant even take precautions what good would fighting will bring when you are not equipped with the tools.

Fudging numbers in military acquisition is not something that's widespread in TAF. I have not encountered that kind of corruption in all my years of following open sources regarding this matter. And the military is not some black box, everyone uses damn tiktok.

Our version of corruption is more like bartering influence and it involves tarikats. Much more dangerous imho but other is very harmful, too.

 

[DBdev]

I thought I already wrote this clearly and with proof. WHITE PHOSPHORUS IS NOT A CHEMICAL WEAPON.

We can and SHOULD use it freely in forests, mountains, caves anywhere CIVILIANS do not exist.

Legality:
"The use of incendiary and other flame weapons against matériel, including enemy military personnel, is not directly forbidden by any treaty."

White phosphorus munition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kartal1]

PKK/KCK's So-Called Şilan Guyi Academy Commander "Ali Xebat", Erdinc Bolcal was neutralized by the National Intelligence Organization MIT in the city of Suleymaniye.

 

[Slayer]

That's a war crime. We don't roll like that.

But idk why we just don't blow up the entry points with lots and lots of TNT. And when I say lots, I mean a fuck ton. Cause massive cave-ins and whatnot. Maybe it's been tried, I'm not an expert on the matter. From what I understand, the circumstances in northern Iraq are unique. The mountainous terrain, weather, huge tunnel/cave networks, PKK use of thermals and other US supplied gear.

Also, I've read about how our high-tech solutions don't really find their way to the frontline. All the flashy stuff remain in the defence fairs. I don't think it's the Russian style corruption, but bureucratic roadblocks. The end result is terrorists having more advanced gear than our soldiers.

Something has to change.

War crime it may be - but you fight fire with fire and not with roses. PKK executed 33 unarmed soldiers. Never forget.

 

[Bozan]

Retired Turkish colonel Orkun Ozeller told a Turkish TV station on Saturday that the current Turkish operation is "wrong both strategically and tactically" due to the distance to the Turkish border areas.

A third source said that the military couldn't establish permanent bases in Iraqi territory in those regions because the Kurdistan Regional Government, which effectively controls the area, opposed the idea.

"The outposts in these regions are not planned as permanent bases due to the objections and reservations of the interlocutors in Iraq," the source said. "Frequent rotations of troops are carried out in the region.

"It is more accurate to interpret these areas as continuous points of control. These bases operate as checkpoints [against infiltrations towards the Turkish border] for a certain area in cases where geography and weather conditions pose a risk."

Unal Atabay, a retired Turkish colonel, said Turkey relies on ad-hoc outposts in the area because it cannot establish permanent bases on sovereign Iraqi state due to international law.

"Temporary bases are operational within their own immediate areas by blocking the travel and transit routes of terrorist elements," he told MEE.

How did Turkey lose 12 soldiers to PKK in Iraq?

Ankara seeks to maintain military outposts in Iraq to curb PKK infiltration, even when winter conditions can benefit the Kurdish militant group

www.middleeasteye.net

Vulnerable temporary bases because the Barzanis think we want to takeover the territory...it does not help MHP keeps posting the national pact map.

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739537816063783162

Why are they recycling old news to gas the nation ? They have killed the same man again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739561334482616431

 

[Slayer]

This time they made sure he stayed dead.

 

[Nutuk]

I have no hope on end of terror when we keep trying to fill a bucket without a bottom

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I have no hope on end of terror when we keep trying to fill a bucket without a bottom

I myself am of Turkish-Kurdish descent, I don't understand why this is not actively prevented.
If politicians have contact with the PKK, YPG, then these people must be banned from politics completely and indefinitely.
The HDP must be dissolved and anyone who has had contact with the PKK & YPG must be banned from politics so that these wankers can't form a new party.
The aim of these people is to drive a wedge into the Turkish/Kurdish community, which has long been partly related and related by marriage. The whole thing is partly sponsored by foreign countries so that a civil war breaks out and the country becomes unstable.

 

[Saithan]

Ad long as the government wants to stay in power and willing to work with Hudapar and such parties no change is going to happen and those who want to drive a wedge can work freely to do so. Only option left is pure secularity. And full military service duty to all including headscarf wearing girls. You need to show them who the enemy is which only happens when they face the enemy at gun point.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Ad long as the government wants to stay in power and willing to work with Hudapar and such parties no change is going to happen and those who want to drive a wedge can work freely to do so. Only option left is pure secularity. And full military service duty to all including headscarf wearing girls. You need to show them who the enemy is which only happens when they face the enemy at gun point.

I see it the same way!
Islam can be the identification of a country or spiritual guidance to strengthen a character and give a person a guideline or moral compass if he wants to accept it.
Islam as a faith must have a positive effect on people and bring a certain moral standard into society.
But it must not play a role in politics under any circumstances, then we would be back in the Stone Age.
The danger is too great that we have a religious fanatic in power, and when push comes to shove we have to hope for a miracle from God. When stealth bombers are on the move and reduce the country to rubble because we have failed to bring education into society to promote technology.
We would lose all technological progress and education for generations if we were to give power to such charlatans. You can see how cool and nice it is to live in Iran & Afghanistan, after all, the entire human race lives there...and is happy.
No idiot would want to live in countries like Iran & Afghanistan if they had the choice.
People need to wake up and drive out people who want Sharia law wherever they can.
They are even worse than the PKK & YPG and a much bigger threat.
I am honest, the CHP with their own understanding of Kemalism have ruined the country.
Anyone who knows the past knows what I'm talking about. The progress in technology was qausi non-existent in the heartland and that was their biggest mistake.
There was a divide in the country in both social status and education.
Turkey is more than Istanbul and Ankara, you may like the AKP or not, but they have learned that.
They have raised the country to a new technological level and nobody can deny that.

 

[Huelague]

An example of how damaging these videos are - this old video of an unlawful field execution of prisoners is circulating in the Arab world again, very damaging for the reputation.

The soldiers were penalized but the damage cannot be undone. Once it's on the internet, it's permanent.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739627346448023995

You make anti Turkish propaganda and playing Western game. Why?

 

[Fairon]

You make anti Turkish propaganda and playing Western game. Why?

He doesn't?

He is saying that publishing this kind of videos in order to canalize rage and anger will hurt Turkish foreign image and politics.

It is a worrying trend that publishing misconduct of police officers and soldiers with honor if the opposing side thoughts to be deserving. These things happens from time to time, yes but publishing this videos are idiocy. There is no way that these kind of videos won't hurt Turkiye in the long run.

West doesn't needs to do anything to play their "game", we are doing it for them.

 

[Aqerdf]

We neither conduct systematic out-of-the law actions or having relaxed RoE.

But thanks to these "recorded individual acts", we could have taunted as if we conducting systematic out-of-the law actions or relaxed Rules of Engagement. Like US,IL,RF,EU,etc.


And it's hurting my brain really, because we even has to sacrifice our precious soldiers when we avoided to conduct these behaviours.

From one of countless examples: One Army Officer was martyred few years ago, in one of Syria Ops. Main reason was that he and his troops has to avoided shooting "suspicious civilian clothed people", from a far they were acting suspicious because they watching our troops and acting as like a spotter team. Minutes after that, mortar rounds landed on our troop's position...

 

[mehmed beg]

I went through the comments of that Twitter clip and as could have seen, approval of disapproval of that kind is completely unimportant.
Anyway, whatever Turkey does who has the affinity would approve. But as I could have seen, even if Turkey makes some people golden, it won't make any difference to them.
I rather, they they did it without camera , but just for sake of the professionalism.
Anyway, I had a chance to watch these things live in Bosnia. Sorry to tell you but some people ain't worth a breath.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I don't know the video, this is the first time I've seen it, but if it really was Turkish soldiers who executed the two prisoners without trial. Then that is very very worrying because that is 100% a war crime and against the Geneva Convention. Even if both women killed Turkish soldiers beforehand.
If now the foreign intelligence services of the USA and various EU countries have more information and evidence that there were several of these executions then there will be a huge problem.
Why are these soldiers not brought before a court martial, these soldiers have done more harm to Turkey than the two terrorists who would have rotted in prison, and what if the two women were forcibly recruited by the PKK/YPG because that also exists! The terrorist organization also holds the families of some forced recruits as collateral.
As soon as the terrorist or soldier is disarmed or surrenders, he must not be killed under any circumstances.
That is murder and it is premeditated, no matter how high the emotions of the soldiers run.
There have to be rules in war otherwise you become a monster yourself.