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Quite unlikely
Israel wont sit down and see Suwaydah fall into the state's hand since they will lose their greatest excuse in intervening in Syria
It will be overrun by Bedouin tribes before it falls into the hands of the actual Syrian Government, lol. Either way this wave of tribal mobilization most likely put an end to the planned israeli planned within the next two weeks. No chance that israeli ground forces can simply roll in now, even with air support.
 

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Is there any option where Turaf hits Druz militias in response to israeli strikes on Syrian government? You know, if you hit my guy I hit yours? @Sanchez
 

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Is there any option where Turaf hits Druz militias in response to israeli strikes on Syrian government? You know, if you hit my guy I hit yours? @Sanchez
I really don't think Turkey will go ahead and push Israel in the south, like Israel doesn't push Turkey in the north. By what's come out so far, Turkey instead tried hard to push Syria and Israel ceasefires in the last month.

Turkey also very likely won't do anything without greater GCC/Syria and even US backing in the south unless situation threatens Aleppo and greater northwest.
 

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The US has accepted the presence of Turkish troops in the Damascus countryside
US had also seemingly accepted Damascus' control of Suwayda, then the all hell broke lose. Turkey is not equal to US, we don't live and act in the same plane of existence, you can't take them at their word.
 

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US had also seemingly accepted Damascus' control of Suwayda, then the all hell broke lose. Turkey is not equal to US, we don't live and act in the same plane of existence, you can't take them at their word.
The US and Israel have different agendas in Syria. Netanyahu is on trial in a corruption case. He is constantly preoccupied with artificial tensions in his country, seeking to disrupt the trial. Most recently, he poisoned himself to avoid testifying in court. The hearing has been postponed until September.
 

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YPG face 30-day ultimatum from US and Turkey​

The United States and Turkey have given the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) a 30-day deadline to finish integrating with the Syrian government, sources familiar with the matter have told Middle East Eye.

SDF leader Mazloum Abdi signed an agreement in March with Syrian interim president Ahmed al-Sharaa, outlining the full merger of the SDF and its agencies into the Damascus government.

However, progress has stalled as the SDF and other Kurdish groups have demanded autonomy and resisted merging under the Syrian defence ministry, insisting on retaining a separate military command and organisational structure within the Syrian army.

American and Turkish patience is wearing thin, sources told MEE. During a meeting in Syria last week, US and Turkish officials gave the SDF a 30-day ultimatum to join the Damascus government.

“The SDF was told that not all of its armed units would be integrated into the Syrian army. Units excluded from integration would be disarmed, and overall control would remain with the Syrian government,” one source said.

The Damascus government reportedly shows little interest in incorporating the SDF’s all-women units, known as the YPJ - an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) - into its ranks.

Thomas Barrack, the US ambassador to Turkey and special envoy for Syria, has made it clear in several interviews and statements this month that Washington opposes such demands and favours a unified Syria with one nation, one military, and one state.

Earlier this month, the SDF delegation held talks with Syrian government officials, as well as American and French representatives. The discussions, however, yielded no breakthrough.

After the meeting, Barrack told journalists in New York: “We’ll bring you together, we’ll arbitrate, we’ll mediate, we’ll help, but we’re not going to stick around.

"If you guys don’t agree, then don’t agree, but we’re not going to be here forever as the babysitter and the mediator," he said.

Barrack also warned the SDF that failure to reach an agreement with Damascus could result in "other alternatives".

Turkish officials at the meeting held in Syria last week emphasised that the SDF should not exploit the goodwill of Damascus, Ankara and Washington by prolonging negotiations and stalling for time.

Sweida raises stakes​

Recent Israeli air strikes in Damascus, prompted by clashes in Sweida between Bedouins and Druze, have heightened tensions in Ankara.

Turkish government sources worry that Israeli intervention could embolden the SDF to persist in its demands for autonomy, particularly as Damascus appears ineffective in resolving the conflict and faces accusations of crimes against the Druze minority.

Nevertheless, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday that his government fully supports al-Sharaa’s administration and would not allow Syria to be partitioned.

Over the weekend, Erdogan told journalists during a visit to Northern Cyprus that al-Sharaa’s firm stance on Sweida should serve as a clear message to the SDF that there will be no compromise on disarmament talks.

In last week's meeting, Turkish officials requested that the YPG provide information on tunnel networks along the Turkish border and weapons depots established in civilian areas, according to the same sources speaking to MEE.

Middle East Eye has asked the Turkish government for comment.

Barrack, who spoke to SDF leader Mazloum Abdi over the weekend, said this week that he does not believe the violence in Sweida will derail talks and that there could be a breakthrough "in the coming weeks".

A US State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity in accordance with government protocol, said that while they could not discuss specifics of private diplomatic conversations, the integration talks between the SDF and the Syrian government remain ongoing and active.

“We support the continuation of these discussions as the best way to resolve any outstanding issues,” the official said.
 

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Empty words. Turkey doesn't have the means nor the political will to stand by those words.
 

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The Ministry of National Defense announced that the Syrian government has officially requested support from Türkiye to strengthen its defense capacity and combat all terrorist organizations, particularly ISIS. In line with this request, we are continuing our efforts to provide training, consulting, and technical support to enhance Syria's defense capacity.
Military bases to be established across Syria under the guise of "advisory" have now become official. The Turkish Armed Forces are threatening Israel by expanding their footprint in Syria.
 

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"We will intervene"

Releases hundreds of PKK terrorists back into Turkish society.
Yeah I don't get ot. Do you think, MIT has a backup plan or something like that for the worst case scenario? I really don't understand this move 😅
 

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Yeah I don't get ot. Do you think, MIT has a backup plan or something like that for the worst case scenario? I really don't understand this move 😅

at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they end up deporting Turks to Syria for being critical of the Islamist curse that's destroying the nation.
 

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The article, "The American-Israeli Doctrine of Zero Threat in the Middle East," argues that the strategic vision of the US-Israeli alliance is to neutralize any military force in the Middle East that could threaten Israel's dominance. This plan has systematically dismantled almost every national army in the Arab world, transforming them into fragmented internal security forces.
Key points from the article include:
* Zero Threat Policy: The core of this strategy is the doctrine that Israel must not be militarily threatened by its neighbors, especially those bordering occupied Palestine or supporting the Palestinian cause. This principle guides US and Israeli interventions, wars, and political pressures in the region, aiming for permanent military superiority rather than peace.
* Iraq: After the 2003 invasion, the dissolution of the Iraqi army was a primary goal, not just regime change. It was never allowed to be reconstituted, replaced instead by paramilitary organizations and sectarian security forces, ensuring Iraq remains divided and weak.
* Syria: Following the Syrian regime's fall, Israel seized the opportunity to eliminate any chance of rebuilding a functional national army. Israel launched relentless airstrikes on weapons factories, missile depots, and military research centers, crushing the country's military infrastructure. The article states that Israeli officials openly declared they would not allow the Syrian army to be rebuilt, ensuring Syria would not rise again as a military power.
* Lebanon: The Lebanese army has been restricted by international policies, with the US blocking offers from Russia and Iran to equip it. US diplomats stated their desire to help the Lebanese army maintain internal stability, not to pose a threat to Israel. As a result, the Lebanese army is limited to crowd control and border patrolling, leaving the country vulnerable to Israeli aggression.
* Egypt: The only remaining Arab neighbor with a large, organized, and experienced army is Egypt. Despite the Camp David peace treaty, Egyptian public opinion remains suspicious of Israel, and the army is a source of national pride. However, this strength is precisely why Israel considers it a problem. The article suggests that Israel will likely intensify efforts to militarily weaken Egypt in the coming months and years to neutralize a potential threat and ensure no Arab army is strong enough to challenge the regional order envisioned by the "Greater Israel" plan.
* Policing the New Middle East: The article concludes that the transformation or dissolution of national armies in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon was a coordinated campaign to eliminate the last pillars of Arab military power. The objective is not peace but permanent subjugation – a Middle East where the only legitimate armed forces are those serving Israel.
 

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Turkey has been on a losing streak in Syria for a while
Israel won in Suwaydah to the point that they managed to expel all the non-druze citizens from Suwaydah; thus, turning it into a pure Druze community. This will give Israel more leverage to annex more lands in the future

As for the SDF, they have rejected any idea of integration and the YPG refused to pay down their weapons. There are rumors that the SDF was given a 30-day ultimatum to disarm but it seems unfounded considering that the SDF and US forces carried out joint patrols along the contact line in Kobani

Turkey is on the verge of losing everything it gained in Syria while Israel and SDF are winning evrything. Meanwhile, Erdo is busy freeing terrorists and kissing the DEM's ass to get their vote share and the CHP is silent to not antagonise DEM so that they remain on the Opposition's side.... ridiculous tbh

All the gains Turkey gained from toppling Assad will soon be thrown away
 

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Military bases to be established across Syria under the guise of "advisory" have now become official. The Turkish Armed Forces are threatening Israel by expanding their footprint in Syria.
Doesnt really make a difference
Such an action may have been significant if Turkey had the means to back their actions but with Israel literally bombing anything Turkish that comes close to Damascus or the south then we question the legitimacy of Turkish threat against Israel

Let me remind you what Israel did to T4 and Palmyra airbases. They were razed to the ground and Turkey couldnt even say a word against Israel
 

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Doesnt really make a difference
Such an action may have been significant if Turkey had the means to back their actions but with Israel literally bombing anything Turkish that comes close to Damascus or the south then we question the legitimacy of Turkish threat against Israel

Let me remind you what Israel did to T4 and Palmyra airbases. They were razed to the ground and Turkey couldnt even say a word against Israel
Turkey of course cannot say any word now. Turkey needs to get much stronger both militarily and economically. We will need to close an eye to such tactical gains. We need to integrate more closely with Europe regarding defence cooperation and economically. As Turkey gets stronger its sphere of influence in the whole world will get stronger. There are three possibilities: Grudging its teeth Turkey will loose more and more of Syria to avoid war with Israel and US but along the way it will get much stronger militarily and economically, which will more than compensate the losses in Syria, even if some sort of federal structure emerges there. The second scenario is when Israel does not stop with the above gains but follows paranoically the "zero potential threat to Israel" policy. This will be close to Armageddon. Depending on where Turkey is at the time (200 Kaan's operating together with hundreds of KE and Anka4s), how willing Europe and US are to support Israel (Europe is slowly abandoning Israel even currently), and potential pat situation in the nuclear front (maybe support from Pakistan or even China/Russia in return for some concessions) the result can be a real disaster for any side or both. US is indeed slave of Israel but I don't know to what extent they will risk the second scenario. The third scenario which is most desirable for Israel is a variant of the second where a new government in Turkey make the concessions above, stops military projects, and renounces all regional/global power ambitions. This scenario is quite likely, I hope Turkish deep state, if it exists, does not allow this.
 
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