TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[BaburKhan]

Actually, the best way to sink French carrier is with Reis or Milden boats.

After such Attack Reis or MILDEN will likely be Targetet by the Escort Ships and you can not only Rely on One Option. The Threat form ASBM could force a CSG to stay away from the Main Theater.

 

[Heartbang]

ASBM will be important to deter french Carrier in Event of an War in the Aegean and eastern Mediterran. With a ASBM barrage Turkey can hit Aircraft Carrier, LHD and LPD size Ships.

In my Opinion the Threath from France make ASBM neccasary for Turkey.

You'd send Şimşek's to simulate a strike package so they spend their Asters on them, and then you send the ASBM barrage to deal the killing blow.

 

[Afif]

After such Attack Reis or MILDEN will likely be Targetet by the Escort Ships and you can not only Rely on One Option. The Threat form ASBM could force a CSG to stay away from the Main Theater.

Actually, it is easier to shoot down AShBM salvo than finding a Reis sub.

 

[BaburKhan]

Actually, it is easier to shoot down AShBM salvo than finding a Reis sub.

Relying only on AIP Propulsion Reis will be slow, the CSG for example can reach higher Speed than dived up Submarine. Were Conventional Subs can be a real Threat to CSG are in nearly coastal Waters.

Likely Different Systems will be User to attack a CSG.

 

[Afif]

Relying only on AIP Propulsion Reis will be slow, the CSG for example can reach higher Speed than dived up Submarine.

Yes, but in the Mediterranean AIP sub can be great A2/AD asset against carrier group.


You are right, they will use multiple domains to attack the carrier.

 

[Bogeyman]

Actually, it is easier to shoot down AShBM salvo than finding a Reis sub.

What you said is correct. But submarines are very slow. They go from the Dardanelles to Aksaz Naval Base in 1 week. You can draw your conclusion from here. If you cannot approach the ship's route with a submarine, there will be no attack.

Correction: I said this for torpedo attacks. As you know, they have a range of around 30 km. However, the situation changes when you fire the anti-ship missile from the submarine. In this case, it is doubtful that it can compete with ASBM. Frankly, instead of competing, it makes more sense to create different sources and types of threats in saturation attacks.

 

[Anmdt]

Finally the booster (therefore canister) is getting short and thus, easier to integrate on helicopters and USVs. Next step would be adjusting the air intake to be foldable and allowing canister size to decrease, and stacking in higher amounts on surface vessels.

ÇAKIR Yeni Nesil Seyir Füzesi 2’nci Atış Testi için Geri Sayım Başladı!

Ankara’da 2-3 Kasım 2023 tarihlerinde düzenlenen Deniz Sistemleri Semineri’nin 2’nci gününde ROKETSAN Seyir Füze Sistemleri Tasarım Müdürü Dr. Burcu DÖNMEZ, “Çevik Yaklaşımla Artırımsal Füze Geliştirilmesi ÇAKIR Örneği” başlıklı güzel bir sunum gerçekleştirdi. Sunumda paylaşılan bilgiye göre...

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[Oublious]

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Finally the booster (therefore canister) is getting short and thus, easier to integrate on helicopters and USVs. Next step would be adjusting the air intake to be foldable and allowing canister size to decrease, and stacking in higher amounts on surface vessels.

ÇAKIR Yeni Nesil Seyir Füzesi 2’nci Atış Testi için Geri Sayım Başladı!

Ankara’da 2-3 Kasım 2023 tarihlerinde düzenlenen Deniz Sistemleri Semineri’nin 2’nci gününde ROKETSAN Seyir Füze Sistemleri Tasarım Müdürü Dr. Burcu DÖNMEZ, “Çevik Yaklaşımla Artırımsal Füze Geliştirilmesi ÇAKIR Örneği” başlıklı güzel bir sunum gerçekleştirdi. Sunumda paylaşılan bilgiye göre...

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Hybrid seeker, something for Hisar airdefence missiles.

 

[boredaf]

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Finally the booster (therefore canister) is getting short and thus, easier to integrate on helicopters and USVs. Next step would be adjusting the air intake to be foldable and allowing canister size to decrease, and stacking in higher amounts on surface vessels.

ÇAKIR Yeni Nesil Seyir Füzesi 2’nci Atış Testi için Geri Sayım Başladı!

Ankara’da 2-3 Kasım 2023 tarihlerinde düzenlenen Deniz Sistemleri Semineri’nin 2’nci gününde ROKETSAN Seyir Füze Sistemleri Tasarım Müdürü Dr. Burcu DÖNMEZ, “Çevik Yaklaşımla Artırımsal Füze Geliştirilmesi ÇAKIR Örneği” başlıklı güzel bir sunum gerçekleştirdi. Sunumda paylaşılan bilgiye göre...

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Mate, you are really selling this short, there are some really amazing news in this article.

 

[Afif]

Lemme fix that for @Anmdt

Countdown has Begun for the 2nd Firing Test of ÇAKIR New Generation Cruise Missile!​

On the 2nd day of the Naval Systems Seminar held in Ankara on 2-3 November 2023, ROKETSAN Cruise Missile Systems Design Manager Dr. Burcu DÖNMEZ made a nice presentation titled "Incremental Missile Development with Agile Approach, ÇAKIR Example". According to the information shared in the presentation, ROKETSAN plans to develop different navigation capabilities and conduct a new launch with the ÇAKIR New Generation Cruise Missile by the end of 2023.​

Against Land and Sea targets from different platforms, including Fighter Planes (4x without Booster), Maritime Patrol Aircraft (2x without Booster) and Helicopters (2x with Booster), UCAV (4x without Booster) and SIDAs (Canister-launched, 4x) Kale Arge product KTJ-1750 Turbojet Engine with 1,750N thrust capacity was selected to strengthen the ÇAKIR Cruise Missile Family, which was designed to be usable and capable of operating in all weather conditions, and the first live fire test was successfully carried out on AKINCI TİHA in May 2023. Launched from AKINCI TİHA from an altitude of 7,000m (after the missile is launched, it descends to a certain altitude with free fall for a while, then starts its TJ engine and moves towards its target) ÇAKIR (without live warhead and IIR Seeker, only with INS/GPS guidance) Cruise Missile Black Sea He hit the target coordinates determined on the water with full accuracy at a speed of Mach 0.9.


ÇAKIR New Generation Cruise Missile, whose total weight is approximately 350kg including the Launch Engine (Booster) and approximately 275kg without the Launch Engine (FM), will be able to reach a range of 150+km when launched from the air and 100+km when launched from the surface, depending on its launch speed and altitude. The basic base configuration of the ÇAKIR New Generation Cruise Missile Family, whose development studies are carried out with an incremental approach, will be equipped with an IIR Seeker, and then the missile will be equipped with an RF Seeker capability. Development work on the Hybrid (IIR+RF) Seeker Head continues within ROKETSAN. ÇAKIR will be equipped with a unique warhead with high performance at low mass.

Members of the ÇAKIR New Generation Cruise Missile Family, which has a modular structure, will have different capabilities and some new technologies that are not yet available (such as the Hybrid Seeker Head), and can be launched from different platforms, will be developed in stages under the Block and Variant approach and made ready for delivery. In this context, the development works of ÇAKIR Block 1 are aimed to be completed in the last quarter of 2023, ÇAKIR Variant T1 in late 2024 and ÇAKIR Block 2 in the middle of 2026. The development work of the variant of ÇAKIR, which can be launched especially from SİDA platforms, is aimed to be completed in mid-2024. In this context, the required canister and carrier group studies have been completed. The booster to be used in the SIDA variant (to be thrown from the canister) has a different design than the booster on the mock-up at the first launch ceremony. Since small marine vessels were specifically targeted, a more compact design was adopted due to size constraints. Subsequently, another variant of the ÇAKIR Family (ÇAKIR SW) to which swarm capabilities are added will be developed.

It will be followed by the LIR variant, which will be equipped with the EH payload. It was announced that the studies on the EH payload are about to be completed. ÇAKIR LIR will be able to operate the KTJ-1750 TJ engine and perform its mission at an altitude of 10,000m. KTJ-1750 TJ Engine gains the ability to operate at 10,000m altitude under Phase-II operation. In this context, a series of operating test activities are expected to be carried out in the Altitude Test Facility in the first half of 2024. The operating altitude conditions of the Altitude Test Mechanism/System, which was established on an area of approximately 2,000 m2 at the Kale Arge Tuzla Development and Test Center within the scope of the 'Turbojet Engines Development Project' and where weather conditions 5,000 m above the ground can be simulated, are still ongoing and will be completed within the first quarter of 2024. Kale Arge Tuzla Development and Test Center, which is expected to be completed, will be increased from 0-5,000 meters to 0-10,000 meters with the renovation work. Under KTJ-1750 Phase-II, flight requirements of KTJ-1750 at 10km altitude will be tested.

It was previously stated that ÇAKIR LIR can be used to jam all EW platforms. Accordingly, while the missile was in the air, it could imitate the radar signature of the F-16 or another aircraft determined by the user in order to force the enemy air defense systems to open their radars. Accordingly, I consider the EH Suite to have a ground lower on the missile. In this case, it is a combination of multiple active radar amplifiers covering different frequencies that will allow it to identify itself to enemy air defense systems as aircraft with different RCS signatures in the HvKK inventory (E-7T HIK, KC-135R Stratotanker, F-16 and F-4E 2020, etc.). It is expected to include the Signature Augmentation Subsystem (SAS). In addition, RF Jammer equipment can be installed on the missile in order to confuse enemy air defense systems when necessary. However, for this type of SEAD mission, ÇAKIR LIR will need to have the ability to loiter over the target area, like the ADM-160B/C and TALD/ITALD tactical decoy targets/jammers available on the market, and the flight duration will need to be 45 minutes+ depending on altitude. Since the thrust power of the KTJ-1750 Turbojet Engine, which has a low fuel consumption value, can be changed during flight, ÇAKIR LIR will be able to hover in the air for a period of time that can meet the needs with a low cruising speed.

 

[Quasar]

BARKAN While carrying out tasks and activities in an area with a radius of 2 to 15 kilometers, shooting of Gürbağ Defense's reconnaissance, surveillance and kamikaze ammunition from a system with two launchers connected to a single tower that can be fired simultaneously (one launcher is a laser guided system, one launcher is a reconnaissance, surveillance and kamikaze drone). was carried out successfully.

Firing this type of ammunition and multiple launchers from a single tower via UAV is considered a first in the international arena.

The fired kamikaze ammunition can reach a range of 15 kilometers with an electric propulsion system, a flight altitude of 3000 meters and an flight time of 40 minutes.

Gürbağ Defense's GSPT EFE

GSPT-EFE, a guidance system that can move high-weight payloads in three axes with low energy consumption, has unique software and communication protocols. GSPT-EFE System, which can be integrated into sea and land platforms; It ensures that the payloads it carries engage their targets with high precision, even under the most difficult mission conditions.

In addition, the hydrogen propulsion system produced by Gürbağ Defense is also used in the system. The biggest advantage of the system is that it provides high precision and low recoil engagement capability to moving platforms.

OK KIND OF WRONG THREAD unmanned land vehicle? reconnaissance, surveillance and kamikaze drone? ammunition? cold launch system? all at once!!!

 

[BaburKhan]

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Next Year A-A Missile Gökdogan and Bozdogan will enter the Service as well Kuzgun. Also USV will enter Service.

 

[DBdev]

Kemankeş should be modified with RATO and engine sped up to EO track slow moving air targets just like Iran's ground launched Missile 358 that shot down MQ9-Reaper in Yemen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722563085892747674

 

[UkroTurk]

Kemankeş should be modified with RATO and engine sped up to EO track slow moving air targets just like Iran's ground launched Missile 358 that shot down MQ9-Reaper in Yemen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722563085892747674

What's the max range and altitude of Iranian 358 SAM?

 

[DBdev]

What's the max range and altitude of Iranian 358 SAM?

No specifications made public. But guesses are around 100km max range and 10km max altitude. You can add a few kg more APCP solid rocket fuel to increase altitude or a few liters more kerosene to increase range. It is homemade so no restrictions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718965666089152734

 

[UkroTurk]

No specifications made public. But guesses are around 100km max range and 10km max altitude. You can add a few kg more APCP solid rocket fuel to increase altitude or a few liters more kerosene to increase range. It is homemade so no restrictions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718965666089152734

Kemankeş cruise speed around 0.3 mach, I don't think Iranian 358 slower.

Anyway TB2 with Kemankesh isn't enough for UAV hunt? Surface to airface cruise missiles wouldn't bring new capabilities against Rocket propelled ones.

 

[DBdev]

Kemankeş cruise speed around 0.3 mach, I don't think Iranian 358 slower.

Anyway TB2 with Kemankesh isn't enough for UAV hunt? Surface to airface cruise missiles wouldn't bring new capabilities against Rocket propelled ones.

You can hit 1000 targets a day not 2 if you launch Kemankes from ground using dirt cheap RATO tubes.
Give tablets to 1000 soldiers and you destroy anything on the sea, land and air up to 10km each day for dirt cheap prices.

Enough?!
That is the small thinking, self-glorification disease we have in Türkiye. Always bragging about a small achievement 10 years ago like TB2 ignoring what others are doing better than us.

No it's never enough. There are always 10 times better, cheaper or faster options if you have imagination and ambition instead of need for constant glorification.

 

[boredaf]

You can hit 1000 targets a day not 2 if you launch Kemankes from ground using dirt cheap RATO tubes.
Give tablets to 1000 soldiers and you destroy anything on the sea, land and air up to 10km each day for dirt cheap prices.

Enough?!
That is the small thinking, self-glorification disease we have in Türkiye. Always bragging about a small achievement 10 years ago like TB2 ignoring what others are doing better than us.

No it's never enough. There are always 10 times better, cheaper or faster options if you have imagination and ambition instead of need for constant glorification.

What even gives you the idea that a loitering munition design to be released from an UAV can be launched from a "dirt cheap RATO tube"? There is literally nothing in common between the two besides they are both loitering munitions. It isn't even clear what its range is, what its warhead is, or if it has any advantages over an ordinary aa missile or whether it can even target an actual plane or just slow moving targets but we should copy that for... reasons?

You need to settle down before calling people "small thinking", there is nothing "self-glorifying" about hoping that we can do better than trying to copy Iran of all places.

 

[UkroTurk]

Here is the cheapest ammunition against UAVs and Kamikaze drones.
10km range and programmable.

Here is the cheapest Air defense system

 

[Ravager]

Here is the cheapest ammunition against UAVs and Kamikaze drones.
10km range and programmable.

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Here is the cheapest Air defense system

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Provided you could detected it first tho' ...