TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Pokemonte13]

Do you know something , we do not know ?

Kale said that they‘ll start serial production of arat engines next year and the tests of gezgin have been conducted since at least a year

 

[YeşilVatan]

what has that to do with ABM

Anti ballistic missiles need rocket engines and they need to be produced in bulk, like at least 5-6k.

Other kinds of air defence missiles also need it but there is a logical cap where producing more would be illogical. Conventional air threats would be fewer in number than ballistic missiles.

Edit: I got bamboozled on account of being hangover. Kale has nothing to do with rocket engines. Apologies to readers.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Anti ballistic missiles need rocket engines and they need to be produced in bulk, like at least 5-6k.

Other kinds of air defence missiles also need it but there is a logical cap where producing more would be illogical. Conventional air threats would be fewer in number than ballistic missiles.

But Kale Jet does not produce rocket engines they produce jet engines which is a completely different technology. Roketsan produces their rocket engines in-house AFAIK

 

[YeşilVatan]

But Kale Jet does not produce rocket engines they produce jet engines which is a completely different technology. Roketsan produces their rocket engines in-house AFAIK

Oh shit I was confused sorry for accidental disinformation

 

[MonteCarlo]

Hgk, lgk, Tayfun launchers/loaders and SOM-B1at deliveries were made

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2085291355736084930

 

[Fatman17]

New Turkish bunker-buster bomb ready for combat

ASELSAN, a Turkish state-affiliated defense electronics company, announced that its TOLUN-P munition is mission-ready, describing the weapon as delivering precision deep strike capability against hardened battlefield targets including armored vehicles, bunkers, and structures protected by...

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TOLUN-P bunker buster

 

[Yasar_TR]

New Turkish bunker-buster bomb ready for combat

ASELSAN, a Turkish state-affiliated defense electronics company, announced that its TOLUN-P munition is mission-ready, describing the weapon as delivering precision deep strike capability against hardened battlefield targets including armored vehicles, bunkers, and structures protected by...

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TOLUN-P bunker buster

Tolun P is not a simple bunker buster bomb. In fact as bunker busting goes it is not as capable as its bigger brothers like KGK kitted (not sure if they have already done the NEB versions. But there was intention and program to do it) MK83 and MK84 class munitions.

Most bunkers are many metres underground and are built with very thick reinforced concrete. You would need our NEB and Hayalet bombs to penetrate them.

If you noticed, the test involved going through 2metres of earth and then half a metre of concrete before exploding.
This is a munition specifically designed to cheaply destroy tunnels underground.
Of course it can be used to surgically destroy jet fighter hangars and strategic concrete built military buildings too.

 

[boredaf]

Tolun P is not a simple bunker buster bomb. In fact as bunker busting goes it is not as capable as its bigger brothers like KGK kitted (not sure if they have already done the NEB versions. But there was intention and program to do it) MK83 and MK84 class munitions.

Most bunkers are many metres underground and are built with very thick reinforced concrete. You would need our NEB and Hayalet bombs to penetrate them.

If you noticed, the test involved going through 2metres of earth and then half a metre of concrete before exploding.
This is a munition specifically designed to cheaply destroy tunnels underground.
Of course it can be used to surgically destroy jet fighter hangars and strategic concrete built military buildings too.

It would probably do great against frontline bunkers/fortifications like those in Ukraine as well, I think.

 

[Bogeyman]

It would probably do great against frontline bunkers/fortifications like those in Ukraine as well, I think.

10x Kızılelma= 80 Tolun P

 

[boredaf]

10x Kızılelma= 80 Tolun P

Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

If there are any left to clean up bro!
If you notice this test was done with the test platform‘s bottom parts’ sides open. And how devastating that was. In real life, inside concrete tunnels or totally enclosed spaces, the explosive force is going to be more destructive.
An explosion in a restricted or confined space produces exponentially higher peak pressures, severe shockwave reflections, and a drastically higher mortality rate than the same blast in an open space, due to trapped energy and structural confinement.

In Open Space Explosion :
The power of destruction Dissipates. Energy, heat, and gas expand freely in all directions, dropping rapidly in intensity over distance.
There is only a single Blast Wave. A single primary overpressure wave moves outward, decaying quickly away from the epicenter.
Decrease of Thermal Effects is more prominent. Heat radiates outward into the available atmosphere; secondary fires only occur if flammable materials are nearby.
Shrapnel and the initial direct blast wave cause the primary damage.

In Restricted or Confined Space Explosions:
There is vast Wave Reflections. Shockwaves hit walls, floors, and ceilings, bouncing back and compounding on themselves to create massive cumulative overpressure.
Additive destructive pressure also called Quasi-Static Pressurre traps gases that cannot escape instantly, causing a sustained, high-pressure gas fill that can completely compromise building integrity.
During explosion, Oxygen Depletion & Toxic Gasses cause Rapid consumption of oxygen and incomplete combustion generate lethal carbon monoxide and toxic fumes that fill the entire enclosure.
Due to exponential increase of explosive force in a confined space Enhanced Lethality occurs. Higher incidence of severe primary blast injuries (such as lung damage and ruptured eardrums) due to energy being forced rather than dissipated.
There are also Secondary Missiles. Walls, fixtures, and structural elements fragment into high-speed shrapnel inside the room, adding to the destruction and lethality.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

I feel like tolun EW would be much more interesting pairing for airbases specifically. Having stand-in drfm jamming combined with low rcs and iir signature of Tolun would complicate the job of shorad a lot. Ideally adding stand off jamming from Koral/hava soj would increase the potential even more.

Even the package of 2 tolun EW/6 tolun p released from single Anka-3/ Kızılelma would create serious problems that would multiply with each added aircraft

 

[boredaf]

I feel like tolun EW would be much more interesting pairing for airbases specifically. Having stand-in drfm jamming combined with low rcs and iir signature of Tolun would complicate the job of shorad a lot. Ideally adding stand off jamming from Koral/hava soj would increase the potential even more.

Even the package of 2 tolun EW/6 tolun p released from single Anka-3/ Kızılelma would create serious problems that would multiply with each added aircraft

That's a whole different game and you're absolutely right about Tolun EW in a scenario like that for hangars, and possibly reinforced hangars. I was more thinking about frontline fortifications, like how Russians have been using their FABs. Tolun's range means a low observability drone like KE or Anka 3 should be far safer than the jets they've been using and the combined low cost of Tolun and drone flight times, would make attacking any frontline far easier and economical. These different variants are really great options to have.

If there are any left to clean up bro!
If you notice this test was done with the test platform‘s bottom parts’ sides open. And how devastating that was. In real life, inside concrete tunnels or totally enclosed spaces, the explosive force is going to be more destructive.
An explosion in a restricted or confined space produces exponentially higher peak pressures, severe shockwave reflections, and a drastically higher mortality rate than the same blast in an open space, due to trapped energy and structural confinement.

You're absolutely right about the fortification itself mate, I was more thinking about the area around the fortification after it is hit, making sure the road is absolutely clear. Let's say we sent 2 Tolun P each towards two frontline bunkers, then sent 2 Tolun F each after those, that pretty could potentially clear a section of a defensive line both from fortifications and possibly combatants (obviously, it wouldn't be just that easy, I know) and that is just 1 drone.

But, I am really waiting for the tests of Roketsan's new smaller cruise missile. 125 kg with 250km range, if I recall correctly, and supposed to be cheap for a cruise missile. If they can deliver on that, it is going to give even TB3 a true stand off missile, let alone our bigger drones. That could allow us to saturate the fuck out of any air defence combined with kamikaze drones and more expensive missiles.

 

[boredaf]

IMHO this mini cruise missile from Roketsan will be the main weapon of ANKA-3 and KE. Both should be able to carry at least two in their IWB already. AFAIK there is no AD System which can hit a stealth platform at 250 km range. We could literally spam this combo.

06 May 2026

SAHA EXPO 2026: ROKETSAN Unveils Mini Cruise Missile | TURDEF

ROKETSAN has unveiled its low-cost mini cruise missile to provide a stand-off range, but at a far smaller size and weight compared to its other cruise missiles.

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This is the one, yeah. If both of them can carry 8 Tolun inside, which means they can carry 2 Sadak 4T, they should be able to fit 4 I think. These are the dimensions of Sadak: 3210 mm x 356 mm x 212 mm; two of them gives 712 mm width, without taking into account any empty space before or after them. Tolun P's diameter is 164 mm, Tolun F 185 mm. Çakır is 275, and since this one is supposed to be a "mini" cruise missile, it is going to be closer to Tolun's diameter for sure, even if not as slim.

I think both KE and Anka-3 should be able to hold 4 of these, assuming its diameter is closer to 200mm than 250. It could be a brilliant missile to spam, as you said.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

 

[TR_123456]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

Check if it is already posted.

 

[dBSPL]

Precision deep strike

Bunker-penetrating TOLUN P, a battlefield force multiplier against armored and reinforced concrete-protected targets, is mission-ready.

Fantastic educational video, showcasing in 4K the progress we've made in smart munitions' sequential penetration principles and advanced warhead fuses.

It's clearly evident that one precise shot or two consecutive Tolun-P munitions have the power to demolish a 4-5 story building constructed with C-30/35 civilian concrete standards. A truly significant tactical achievement in this 250 lb weight class!

 

[MonteCarlo]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

Check if it is already posted.

It was the footage from Eren's own optical system which never has been shared before AFAIK but seems to be deleted. I have the video but don't know how wise it would be to share it again after how fast it was deleted

 

[Samba]

It was the footage from Eren's own optical system which never has been shared before AFAIK but seems to be deleted. I have the video but don't know how wise it would be to share it again after how fast it was deleted

Please do

 

[MonteCarlo]

seeker technology from Tayfun block 3 will also be integrated into aeroballistic missiles like Iha-122, 230 and 300-Er.

Murat ikinci also calls it a "imaging" seeker while correcting the reporter saying laser seeker.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717701819846768