Russia Naval News and Naval Vessels Program

[Ecderha]

A Russian Navy submarine armed with a strategic nuclear torpedo the size of a school bus was delivered to the Kremlin this week, according to an announcement from the shipyard.

Project 09852 Belgorod is based on a Russian Oscar-class guided-cruise missile submarine that has been altered to accommodate six 80-foot Poseidon nuclear torpedoes that could be armed with a warhead of up to 100 megatons, USNI News previously reported.

The submarine was delivered to the Russian Navy in a ceremony in at the Northern Fleet’s headquarters in Severodvinsk on Friday,

“The Belgorod submarine opens up new opportunities for Russia in conducting various research, allows conducting diverse scientific expeditions and rescue operations in the most remote areas of the world ocean,” according to a statement from Russian Navy chief Adm. Nikolai Anatolyevich Yevmenov.
“The ship is designed to solve diverse scientific problems, conduct search and rescue operations, and can also be used as a carrier of rescue deep-sea and autonomous unmanned underwater vehicles.”

Absent from the statement were images of the submarine or a description of the Poseidon weapons.

Poseidon, first revealed in 2015, is a nuclear strategic weapon that would have a range of thousands of miles and would “destroy important economic installations of the enemy in coastal areas and cause guaranteed devastating damage to the country’s territory by creating wide areas of radioactive contamination, rendering them unusable for military, economic or other activity for a long time,” according to a translation of a Russian presentation caught on camera by the BBC.

Russians have long complained about the strategic imbalance of American ballistic missile defense systems in Europe. Poseidon and Belgorod were created to mute the U.S. BMD advantage by creating a nuclear weapon that could duck under a U.S. BMD screen.

Belgorod is part of the Russian Navy’s specialized submarine fleet designed for espionage, deep-sea rescue and special operations operated by the Main Directorate of Deep Sea Research — known by the Russian acronym GUGI, (Glavnoye Upravleniye Glubokovodnykh Issledovaniy). The GUGI boats operate from an isolated Arctic base on the Kola Peninsula on the Barents Sea.

The Russians have also expanded their facilities in Severodvinsk, USNI News reported in August.

In addition to Poseidon, Belgorod can serve as a mothership for variety of crewed and unmanned submersibles for deep sea missions. Those submersibles include Losharik (A-12), a deep diving manned submersible that suffered a battery explosion in 2019 that killed 14 Russian submariners. The Russian Navy is currently repairing the boat, USNI News previously reported.

While the Russian Navy declined drastically following the end of the Cold War, its submarine force has remained a pressing concern for the Pentagon.

The Russians have put to sea a new generation of attack submarines armed with long-range cruise missiles capable of targeting European capitals from the North Atlantic.

In response to the Russian submarine threat, the Navy reestablished U.S. 2nd Fleet to create a theater anti-submarine warfare command in the Atlantic.

‘Doomsday’ Submarine Armed With Nuclear Torpedoes Delivers to Russian Navy - USNI News

A Russian Navy submarine armed with a strategic nuclear torpedo the size of a school bus was delivered to the Kremlin this week, according to an announcement from the shipyard. Project 09852 Belgorod is based on a Russian Oscar-class guided-cruise missile submarine that has been altered to...

news.usni.org

"strategic nuclear torpedo the size of a school bus" IT is project which were developed by russian at 80's. It is OLD product.
It has so many side effects that russian stop the project. But they produced few torpedoes back then..............
In present russian propaganda NEED to show some Psudo NEW platforms in order to keep russian zombies together and they need to believe to something
Something which to show russians that they have new toys and they are not losing.

But reality is that russia lost the WAR................the more time past the more russia will loss..................and this will cost more for russia

As some people like to say "Show must go on and russians must be feed it with more propaganda"

 

[Soldier30]

Episodes of the naval parade of Russia in honor of the Day of the Navy. The video shows part of the Russian fleet shown at parades in the cities of St. Petersburg, Novorossiysk and Vladivostok. The Russian Navy turns 326 this year.

 

[Manomed]

Episodes of the naval parade of Russia in honor of the Day of the Navy. The video shows part of the Russian fleet shown at parades in the cities of St. Petersburg, Novorossiysk and Vladivostok. The Russian Navy turns 326 this year.

worst navy in the world

 

[Bogeyman]

The current edition of the Russian shipbuilding program was approved in the spring of 2014, the military expert recalled. According to him, over the past eight years, there have been dramatic changes in the world: a sharp cooling in the relations between Russia and the West, a big number of sanctions imposed on Russia, NATO’s further expansion, the establishment of the AUKUS bloc in Southeast Asia, and, finally, the beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine in February this year.

The shipbuilding program is classified, therefore, as Karnozov writes, it is possible to talk only about general modifications to the program will be subject to.

As Karnozov says, the first visible consequence of the cooling in the relations between Russia and the West for the Navy was the refusal of European companies to supply diesel engines and shipborne equipment under previously concluded contracts.

“In the current situation, domestic shipbuilders are to immediately and decisively reorient themselves to other suppliers,” the military expert notes. This reorientation has already been made and now “needs to be fixed in the new shipbuilding program.”

Black Sea Fleet’s most effective element

“Import substitution is not the only reason for adjusting the long-term plans of the domestic shipbuilding industry,” Karnozov writes. He says with reference to the foreign press that in the special military operation, the Black Sea Fleet’s submarine forces are the most effective element of the Russian Navy, being involved in launching Kalibr cruise missiles against military facilities of the Ukrainian army.

“NATO reconnaissance means, which are actively working for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, are not able to track all the movements of Black Sea Fleet submarines,” that is why, a submarine can be generally detected only by the point at sea, from which 3M-14 missiles emerge. Such surprise, as the expert notes, “reduces the enemy’s ability to cut losses in manpower and equipment by quickly dispersing them immediately before a missile strike.”

“Surface ships are increasingly turning into targets for a high-tech enemy,” since their movements can be easily tracked by reconnaissance aircraft and satellites of NATO countries, Karnozov writes.

Ships are highly vulnerable to weapons in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, such as the Neptune, Harpoon, and Brimstone anti-ship missiles. The expert suggests using the high stealth capabilities of submarines for reconnaissance and monitoring of enemy coastal targets at a short distance from the coast.

New subs for Baltic Fleet

As Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the Navy Day parade in St. Petersburg, Russia’s national interests, both economic and strategic ones, extend to the Arctic, the Black Sea, the Sea of Okhotsk, the Bering Sea, as well as the Baltic and Kuril Straits. According to the president, the security of these water areas will be ensured by the Navy.

“The Baltic Fleet is to be strengthened following the inclusion of the Baltic Sea into the zone of Russia’s strategic interests,” Karnozov says, adding that during the period of improved relations with European countries, this fleet “lost most of its ships.”

At the same time, the future entry of Sweden and Finland to NATO has already prompted some Western politicians to say that the Baltic Sea will be turned into a NATO lake.

“Taking into account the significant numerical superiority of the NATO naval forces, it seems most logical to equip the Baltic Fleet with advanced missile-carrying submarines,” Karnozov says.

According to the expert, work is currently in progress to select submarines to arm the fleet. A proposal has been made to continue the construction of Project 636.6 submarines by ordering another its series from the Admiralty Wharves Shipyard.

“However, these submarines have obvious shortcomings,” Karnozov notes. In his opinion, they are associated with the obsolescence of the basic project 877 developed back in the 1970s.

“Numerous upgrades introduced to the improved project 636 are unable to bring it to the technological level of the latest foreign submarines in terms of automation and noise level,” the military expert believes. He suggests ceasing the production of Project 636.3 submarines in favor of fourth-generation Project 677 Lada-class subs.

“With the same weapon suite (18 missiles and torpedoes), the Lada-class sub is much quieter, and its Lira sonar system is much more sophisticated than the obsolete Rubicon,” Karnozov writes.

The submarine’s low noise level and new sonar system allow the crew to operate covertly in areas of deployment of enemy antisubmarine warfare ships and aircraft. The Lada-class sub is more compact and therefore better suited for operations in the Baltic Sea with its shallow waters and high traffic,” the expert says.

Development of Russia’s submarine fleet

The military expert says that Russia has “appropriate design and production capacities” to build an efficient submarine fleet. “The flagship of Russia’s shipbuilding industry, the Sevmash Shipyard in Severodvinsk, is working at full capacity,” he points out.

The Sevmash Shipyard produces nuclear-powered submarines, namely Project 955A Borei-A class nuclear-powered submarines armed with intercontinental ballistic missiles, multipurpose Project 885M Yasen-M class nuclear-powered attack submarines, as well as special-purpose submarines, including deep-sea stations, carriers of submersible vehicles and robotic systems.

Russia continues to replace Soviet-made Project 877 diesel-electric submarines with more modern ones, namely the Project 636.3 and Project 677 submarines.

Submarines of these projects are being built by the St. Petersburg-based Admiralty Wharves Shipyard. It was reported in June that the shipyard would hand over the Project 677 Lada-class submarines B-586 Kronstadt and B-587 Velikiye Luki this year. There are also plans to deliver the Project 636.3 submarine B-588 Ufa to the Navy.

Project 677 and Project 636.3 submarines

The Project 677 Lada-class diesel-electric submarine is a derivative of the Soviet-made Project 877 Paltus-class sub. The project was developed by the Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering in the 1990s.

Submarines of the type are designed to destroy enemy surface ships and vessels, conduct patrolling and reconnaissance, guard sea lanes, as well as lay minefields.

Compared to its predecessors, the Lada-class sub features a low noise level, a high degree of automation, a surface displacement reduced by almost 1.3 times, and an increased underwater speed.

The Project 636.3 submarine is designed to replace Paltus-class subs. The upgraded Project 636.3 submarine was developed by the Rubin Design Bureau too.

Submarines of this series are designed to destroy surface ships and vessels, enemy submarines, conduct patrolling and reconnaissance, and protect sea lanes in the close sea zone. The Project 636.3 submarine is a carrier of Kalibr-PL cruise missiles.

During the counterterrorism operation in Syria, on December 8, 2015, Project 636.3 submarine B-237 Rostov-on-Don launched Kalibr missiles at terrorist targets in the Syrian province of Raqqa.

In 2017, similar attacks against terrorists in Syria were delivered by the Project 636.3 subs Krasnodar and Veliky Novgorod. These missile launches were the first strikes against a real enemy in the history of the Russian submarine fleet.

Vladimir Putin will modified the Russian shipbuilding program

According to information published by Tass on August 9, 2022, the Russian shipbuilding program may be modified following the approval of the Naval Doctrine

www.navyrecognition.com

 

[Soldier30]

Rare footage has been published of the launch and landing of the Russian Orlan-10 UAV on the Project 11356R frigate Admiral Essen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The drone from the ship is launched with a catapult, and landing is carried out on the grid on the ship.

 

[Agha Sher]

Next gen technology

 

[Soldier30]

As part of the exercises of the Northern Fleet, the Russian nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky launched a cruise missile of the Granit complex. The missile hit the target in the area of the Novaya Zemlya archipelago. Also, as part of the exercise to protect sea communications in the Arctic, the crew of the cruiser practiced firing from a 130-mm AK-130 artillery mount.

 

[Gary]

An imposing ship but with outdated electronics and combat management systems are hardly a challenge to modern NATO navies. Russia should just focus on the 22350 and its larger 22350M derivatives.

 

[Soldier30]

The Russian nuclear submarines "Omsk" of project 949A "Antey" and the submarine K-573 "Novosibirsk" of project 885M hit a sea target imitating a warship. The exercises were carried out as part of the Umka-2022 integrated Arctic expedition. The Bastion coastal missile system of the Pacific Fleet was also used in the exercises. The target was hit by Granit and Oniks cruise missiles launched from submarines at a distance of 400 kilometers. The Bastion coastal missile system hit the target from a distance of 300 kilometers.

 

[Soldier30]

The crews of the Russian small anti-submarine ships "Kabardino-Balkaria" and "Aleksin" project 1331m performed training firing at an air target in the Baltic Sea. A cruise missile was used as a target, the target was hit from the AK-176 and AK-630 naval artillery systems.

 

[Soldier30]

Today the Russian Caspian Flotilla is celebrating its 300th anniversary. The history of the Caspian flotilla dates back to 1722, when Peter I issued a decree on the founding of a military port in Astrakhan and the formation of a military flotilla. The Caspian flotilla then consisted of 200 riverboats and 45 last boats, and was commanded by Admiral General Fyodor Apraksin. Currently, the flotilla includes missile patrol ships, small missile and artillery ships, missile and artillery boats, landing hovercraft, minesweepers, parts of the marines and coastal artillery troops.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Congratulations.
Just pray that Russia doesn't start "special operations" against any Turkic countries on the Caspian Sea. Two of them have TB-2s and one has ANKAs.
They may send this fleet next to the Black Sea fleet.

 

[Soldier30]

The Russian small missile ship "Odintsovo" of project 22800 "Karakurt" carried out training artillery firing at targets simulating the means of an air attack of a mock enemy. Special lighting projectiles were used as air targets. Training firing was carried out from the AK-176MA-01 ship artillery mount with a caliber of 76.2 mm, the firing range of this gun is up to 15.7 kilometers, the rate of fire is 125 rounds per minute. Electronic warfare equipment was activated on the ship and active and passive jamming was set.

 

[Old Codger]

Russia is building SHIPS? Damn!

They can name the first two, 'Moskva' and 'Kuznetsov'.

OC

 

[blackjack]

I will pretty much underline their conventional and nuclear capabilities and what they have achieved in the past. But as creativity always blooms warfare changes and this has to force the West to adapt to those changes but promoting creativity in the west is difficult based on internal politics shaping the education system of the west therefore drastic measures out of desperation to contain Russia is the only solution for collapsing countries. Russia has already secured itself with nuclear weapons that can still target the west despite ABM shield capabilities and are moving on to conventional means of further deterring the west overseas in different battlefields which we have an increase of them deterring staged coups along with ongoing conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. As Russia meets its objectives the growth of a multipolar world increases where possibilities not thought possible like Saudi Arabia and Iran or China and India start becoming closer allies due to a common interest of not wanting wanting their politics to be influenced by outside forces.

Russa Naval Capabilities

Of course one of the most important categories that shall be discussed 1st because even if you have a small budget but that budget is enough for you to deter countries that might influence your country's decision than you have the necessary spending you need to give your own political leaders decisions on what they can do without any outside force threatening them.

Zircon

These missile description varies from different articles on the missiles specs such as Mach 8-10, 30-40km flgiht altitudes, range at 1000kms or over 1000kms, claims that on land the range of the missile is 1,500kms. Current ABM shield air defenses have gained assistance from ground radars and satellites to intercept different class ballistic missiles in which some tests are succesful and some result in failures on land or sea. The general idea for the developement of scramjet missiles is to increase difficulty for current air defense systems to intercept the missile before it hits its target and by doing so it flies at a lower altitude, offers better manueverability and uses the properties of a plasma sheath to offer difficulty for radars to track the missiles to reliance for infrared tracking instead. So to get the general audience to better understand why these attack capabilities of the Zircon are important we must break it down to 3 important categories, plasma sheath, altitudes, and manueverability.

1. The Plasma Sheath

Based on altitudes and the speed of objects the plasma sheath can lower the radar cross section of the object it is covering thus making it hard for radars to track and of course intercept it. Depending on speed and altitude you can effect low and high frequencies of radars tracking the target. 140k to 110k feet matches the altitudes referenced from different articles in which the Zircon missile would cruise in and the example of the sphere in the chart shows a -15 decibel drop which means if the sphere was a Zircon the Zircon would be 50 times more difficult for radars to see and track than a ballistic missile. But spheres offer a creeping wave return meaning the radar cross section of the missile could be more lower since its not a sphere.

if you put the velocity of mach 10, altitude 40kms(cruising altitude for Zircon) and reference length like 8 meters provided and put the total temperature in kelvin you get 6,074 kelvin which means that firecontrol radars using their frequencies will be effected in tracking the missile. Since it is assumed the missile is not a sphere the current radar cross section of the missile would be classified but has a plasma sheath that would offer stealth nonetheless.

2. Altitudes

Based on the calculator for the reference number 3. a 100 meter radar antenna would see the target visible at 865kms if the missile is at an altitude of 40kms. if the altitude is at 200kms the target could be visible at 1,884kms from a ground radar. The Agni-1 an SRBM for example from wikipedia is mach 7.28 the Zircon is listed mach 8-10 and they are around the same range distances. Fuel of a scramjet never runs out until it hits its target while ballistic missiles only use fuel to reach their flight ceilings before diving to their targets which could be lower speeds being reliant on gravity to do the rest. Scramjets always need a 1st stage engine to reach their flight ceilings to cruising altitudes before the 2nd airbreathing stage kicks in mixing fuel with incoming air velocity until it reaches its target. So radars have less time tracking scramjets than they do for ballistic missiles.

3. Manueverability

Hypersonic glide vehicles and airbreathing missiles offer more manueverability than standard ballistic missiles. The Have Dash 2 a ramjet offered 50G while the standard AIM-120 as a comparison was like 30-35Gs. This means that interceptor missiles have to have better self homing radar tracking and better manueverability to deal with higher manueverable targets to make interceptions succesful than they do with ballistic missiles.

Submarines the Main Backbone of Russia's Navy

Zircon is a perfect tool to have but to make those tools work you need certain things to carry them to be used which means this now depends on their Navy's capabilities. The Yasen-M can carry either 40 kalibrs or 36 Onyx/Zircon missiles so if you have like 10 of these you can sink 360 ships, Kalibr costs 980k and an Onyx missile costs 1.25 million dollars, so I am assuming these missiles would be expensive somewhere in the 2 million to 5 million dollar range but I will just estimate it as a high 5 million dollars. Aircraft Carriers cost 5 billion to 10 billion dollars So lets say we have 5-million-dollar missile sink a 7.5 billion dollar aircraft carrier with 100 aircrafts costing 90 million dollars each, Russia loses 5 million dollars the other country loses 97.5 billion dollars, 360 Zircons can sink 360 Destroyers that usually cost 1.8 billion dollars so Russia loses 1.8 billion dollars for using 360 Zircons the country with 360 destroyers loses 648 billion dollars. There are two ways of finding ships or submarines which is SONAR and Satellites. These submarines can fire Zircons from underwater 1000kms away from ships, carriers or destroyers and still hitting them without getting noticed

1.SONAR

The SEVER SONAR system can be placed 200kms away from their coasts and the HARMONY SONAR network can be placed anywhere at sea even the middle of the ocean not needing cable because it has a nuclear reactor system powering it. Russia is developing special purpose submarines to deploy these SONAR systems which of course they will not disclose where they put them. Russia's underwater network can cue other submarines or Russia's satellites to pick up where they see ships or submarines to guide Zircon missiles to their targets. Latest block Tomahawk, Kalbir and Iskander missiles are capable of hitting mobile ships from satellite guidance and using its own radar homing system which can also follow targets passively like ARMs if they start getting jammed by EW systems.

2. Satellite Systems

MEO satellites have a huge footprint of identifying ships in which a 50 meter resolution would be enough where they can task LEO satellites to see the ships at a better resolution offering targetting coordinates to ships or submarines even the MEO satellites can do this as well. As of now current GEO satellites only have a good enough resolution to pick up carriers.

Moving on to Part 2 thread since I cant attach anymore images, If anything I want these threads to be converted to articles, So I will continue where we left off on the 2nd thread.

References

1. 80669763.pdf (core.ac.uk)

2. Aerospaceweb.org | Atmospheric Properties Calculator

3. Radar Horizon and Target Visibility Calculator • Electrical, RF and Electronics Calculators • Online Unit Converters (translatorscafe.com)

4. Loral HAVE DASH II (designation-systems.net)

 

[blackjack]

Zircons are not the only way for them to target ships, lets say they need these submarines to be close to other countries, some ships are not in close enough groups but scattered all around the sea. Thus the idea of ballistic missiles to target ships become a new trend.

Zmeevik/DF-21D

The Chinese have a problem with ships being too close to their homeland and this became an issue now for Russia to develop Zmeevik. If no ships are within a 1000km radius around a Yasen class submarine than I take it that these missiles can be launched from Russia to hit adversaries that are far away from their country at sea. Ships are capable of intercepting ballistic missiles but Russia's ballstic missiles are not standard since they manuever at the launch phase and their G force manueverability might be higher than previous design ballistic missiles, use stealth material, use EW countermeasures or even have detonation engines like the rumored Sarmatian ICBM for a fast speed launch start, currently any specifications of the missile are classified.

Submarine Stealth SONAR and Torpedoes to deal with other adversaries.

Their submarines have the longest range torpedoes called Futlyar and can use alot of underwater drones with their own SONAR to expand their detection range besides using the HARMONY network SONAR arrays in detecting underwater targets.. It will be hard to find HARMONY SONAR arrays which can use passive SONAR detection instead of active SONAR detection which I guess will only be used if there is a war going to happen. Million dollar torpedoes or missiles are cheaper than billion dollar ships or submarines. The Arctur is said to have its own air defense system, a 1km operating depth while some of their yasens can operate 500-600 meters below sea in which the deeper you go the faster you can go without noisy cavitation and being below lower depths makes you a little more difficult for ships to find. No idea if other countries of 100km range torpedoes.

So based on Stealth, SONAR, Torpedo ranges, SONAR networks from HARMONY not only can they destroy 100s of ships but even adversary submarines as well.

The Big 3 Nuclear Attack Combination

Lets all say there is a country that exists that can track 1000s of BMs and has a 100% chance interception success rate meaning this country can nuke you for all they care and not suffer any repercussions of getting nuked back, but not only that, lets say that such a similiar ABM system is in Europe meaning you have to bypass them before reaching that country. However thanks to the blessings of outside the box nuclear weapons and EMP radar blackouts there are 3 ways to make such a country defenseless.

1. Poseidon

As far as I know I have not heard any news about torpedoes being intercepted underwater and you have to be aware that based on speed, stealth and depth that you can find it 1st before it detonates on your coast. So if radars are close to the coasts they are either destroyed, electronics are fried from EMP and if there are operable radars some radar blackouts will happen which you cant identify or track a target until the effects of the EMP dissipate. Not even satellite infrared or radar tracking would know that these torpedoes have been launched until they hit the coasts and when these coasts are hit SONAR cables will probably get destroyed along with some Naval bases.

2. Nuclear Warhead Zircons

Next your submarines can get very close to the coast of that country and launch Zircons which can go deep and far as 1500kms into territory. Once they get launched close to the coast they will be flying low and fast with nuclear warheads and if some of them do get hit or cause an aerial detonation further EMPs will happen and radar blackouts will mask the other barrage of Zircon missiles causing a domino effect to get further into territory. Keep in mind these missiles are very close above the heads of everyone in that country.

3.Bulava

The special purpose submarines have played their part attacking all coasts with Poseidon, The Yasen class submarines have played their part launching Zircons from the west, north, south and east side of the country and next will be the Borei class submarines to put the cherry on top launching SLBMs in the center of the country which offer the same manuever capabilities in the launch phase like Topol,Yars and Cedar with a 3rd stage liquid engine for very high manueverability in the end and also stated having a low flight trajectory.

Other Mentions

The Kinzhal missile is a Quasi-ballistic that manuevers throughout its entire flight at mach 10-12 which be launched from an aircraft to hit a ship from 2000kms away. The Kh-32 has a speed of mach 4.5, has active/passive homing, 1000km range, it is launched from a 13km height to a 40km ceiling and does a steep anti-missile manuever dive to target. The internal hypersonic missile Gremlin is an ongoing classified air to ground or ship missile on board the stealth aircraft in the testing phase. A huge navy isnt really needed its just the right amount of tools and resources needed to deter a bigger Naval force at a lower cost.

References

1. Russia Develops Zmeevik Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile - Naval News

2. Стратегический атомный подводный крейсер 5-го поколения показали на форуме "Армия-2022" - Российская газета (rg.ru)

3. Kh-32 cruise missile - LONG-RANGE AVIATION OF RUSSIA (vvs.moscow)

 

[blackjack]

I might have to re-edit some posts here even after I am done with the article.

Patrol Class Ships

They label the bykov class as a patrol ship but because of its size and dimensions it would fall in the Corvette class, but they labeled it as a patrol class which is why I put it here and depending on the number of projects I might have to cover I might throw it in the corvette class classification if I have to later. About 4 completed, 4 are active, 2 are being built and 6 are to be completed. The Tor-M2KM is its own air defense system different from the redut which also has a quadpack design where 4 9M331M missiles can fit into each cell with a 15km range. 8 SAM missiles are used with 8 VLS cells that will carry Kalibr missiles and will use 8 anti-torpedoes from Paket-NK system and will use Pal-N radar which i can't currently find specs for. Stealth design with a 6000 mile range. Ka-27M can be placed on it.

Corvette Class Ships

I will start off 1st with the steregushchy class corvettes (NATO to their standards classify them as frigates because of size), more than 14(9 completed, 7 of those active, 3 being built) are to be built and based on ship design layout and material these corvettes have a stealth design which would also go great with their size, and these ships cost 120-150 million dollars each. These corvettes for air defense use 12 Redut cells which can use 12 9m96 missiles in which their domestic versions have a 150km range along with talks later about getting slightly bigger missiles for a 200km range down the road, or it can quadpack to use 48 9M100 missiles for a 15km range. These ships can fire 8 Kh-35s with 300km ranges at targets and destroy vessels up to 5,000 tons. There are replacements planned for the Naval pantsirs instead of the AK630Ms and these have a 75km radar range and a 40km missile range to intercept targets, uses 8 launchers but has a total of 32 missiles were the additional are placed below the deck so in total 64 of these can be used since there are two Pantsir-Ms in each corvette so at a maximum setting 112 missiles can be used to intercept aerial targets. The radar used is Zaslon is a X-band 3d radar with fixed phased antenna array and a S-band 3D radar with steerable phased antenna array and passive radar that monitors, radio surveillance station that monitors L, S, C, X, K bands and an ECM system operating in X and K bands. Radar has a 300km range and maxed targets tracked is 50 and in passive mode has a max range of 200kms but passively tracking 200 targets. The Paket-nk is an anti-torpedo system that uses 8 torpedoes against torpedoes or submarines, the Zarya-2 SONAR system range is classified but the ship also uses a wing antenna called Vignetka-M which has a 19km range using radiation to detect underwater targets and an 80% chance of correctly identifying 10 underwater targets. Vignette detects subs at 15km, subs at 20kms and surface ships at 100kms. has an EW suite for suppressing targets called TK-25E-5 ECM, 4 decoy launchers and can use one Ka-27M helicopter as an option. Max range of ship is 7000kms.

The Karakurt class corvettes are the next set of corvettes to discuss in which they are little smaller than the steregushchy class corvettes we have discussed, and of course different armament options and sensors being used. So far, the planned number is 16, 9 are completed in which 3 are active and 7 more are being built. Based on the armament one Pantsir-S will be used so at best protection against 32 aerial targets and the missile options are 8 Oniks or Kalibr missiles. To give a brief explanation of the missiles so I don't have to explain them again for the other class ships. The Oniks is a ramjet missile with a mach 3 speed and a 600km but modifications have been done to the missile to boost their range to 800kms and then to 1000kms and the speeds have been bumped up to mach 5. These missiles fly low and are a capable of swarming meaning a missile based on what was read on its sensors can update the other missiles in flight of what targets to hit or overwhelm. Kalibr has many classifications as well such as supersonic versions with ranges of 660kms and hit mach 3 when entering the terminal phase of hitting a target, or subsonic versions where max range is 2,500kms along with claims of working on a new kalibr for a 4,500km range and these missiles pretty fly 3 to 5 meters above sea level to hit their targets. The max range of these ships is 4,600kms and as you guessed they have stealth designs like the previous corvettes that were mentioned. It uses the Mineral-M radar with a 250km range working in the I-band frequency, or in passive mode I, G, E/F and D-bands with a 450km range. In active mode 30 targets are tracked and in passive mode 50 targets are tracked. The ship also has the Pozitiv-M radar which works in X-band, 150km max range, 1m2 target spotted at 110kms, and against anti-ship missiles with a RCS of .03m2 range for that is 15kms, 3-5 targets can be tracked simultaneously. Keep in mind these radars have E at the end so I think they might be radars for export than their domestic versions. Also it can use an Orlan-10 drone.

Next is the Buyan or Buyan-M class corvette, I know they have a lot of corvettes, eventually we will get to the other class ships. About 13 competed, 12 active, they are building 2 and 15 more of them are planned. since only one of the newest ones will get one Pantsir and the rest the AK630M2s might as well talk about the defense system. The AK630M2 as a CIWs that can fire 10,000 rounds per minute, and it has a low RCS based on its stealth design which I am assuming they must have done for the pantsir as well. 8 kalibr or oniks missiles can be used and Buryans will use the Gibkas which have a 7km max range for close targets with 14kg warheads and the Buryan-Ms will use 8 of the based Igla missiles like the Gibka. And the ships will use the Pozitiv radars and it seems the Buryan-Ms have an upgraded version over the Buryans, keep in mind that Rosoboronexport sells export products over domestically made ones. These corvettes also have a stealth design. Buryan has a 2,800km range, Buryan-M has a 4,300km range, Buryan uses 20 decoy launchers, and the Buryan-M uses radar jammers, they also 20 122mm Grad-M rockets.

Derzkiy-class modular corvettes are going to be the newest class corvettes in where one is currently being fitted out and they are said to be stealthier than the previous corvettes and they will have 9,300km ranges. 16 redut cells which give options of using 16 or 64 missiles to engage aerial targets, The 1st of the ships was laid down in 2016, 10 are planned but because of take I am assuming that 2 AK630M2s were the design but can be replaced with 2 Pantsir-M which can make the 128-missile aerial layout possible for intercepting aerial targets. 8 Kalibr or onyx missiles and the 8 Paket-NK anti-torpedo systems.

Frigate Class Ships

The Admiral Gorshkov class are new frigates being built with 3 completed, 2 active, 5 building and 15 to be completed. 32 Redut cells will be used for 32 missiles or quadpacked for 128 missiles to be used for air defense and the option of using 32 kalibr, onyx or zircon missiles. The CIWS being used is called Palash which has antiaircraft guns and 10km missiles and two of them will be present on these ships, as to how much missiles (other than 8 missile launchers each) it has is unknown but it's a pretty new system but there were talks about Pantsir-M replacements for the frigates according to reference 16. The Palash EO infrared system Shar can detect aircrafts from 30kms and cruise missiles from a 10-12km range and of course can use the ships radar system, 8 Paket-NK Anti-torpedoes, chaffs, flares, EW system and carry one Ka-27M helicopter. These frigates use Poliment radars which have a 150km max range can engage up to 16 targets, characteristics of the Furke-4 radar I can't find but ranges of past variants range from 40-100km in combat mode and aerial targets tracked from 50-200. Max range of ships is 8980kms and they use stealth technology as well.

Destroyer Class Ships

The ships that I want to enter service the most would be the Lider class destroyers and that plans are not cancelled but still pending in which 8 was initially planned. The biggest feature would have been the S-500F which is the Naval version of the S-500 with 56 cells. But we don't know how big the cells are if they will be single, double and quadpacked or how long the cells are because ship height I can't find. And usually ship radars are more powerful than their land radars meaning if the S-500 can track and intercept 10 ICBM's simultaneously alone, the destroyers can be more powerful than that or have capabilities that might allow it to intercept more advanced hypersonic targets than ICBMs. 16 Redut cells that can have 16 or 64 missiles based on missiles used for air defense. 3 Naval Pantsirs which can total it to additional 96 missiles for air defense in which a total layout of 216+ missiles can be used for air defense and a 100-cell option for either Kalibr or Zircon missiles. 12 anti-torpedoes can be used and one helipad for any naval helicopter with 2 hangers for 2 additional helicopters for medium lift transport. The Lider class destroyers will have unlimited range because of nuclear reactors and a stealth design.

Next is the Udaloy class in which 8 are active, 2 cancelled and 13 are completed, some have been scrapped and others are going through refits. Have 64 cells for S-300 systems, 8 anti-ship and anti-submarine torpedoes called Silex, 4 AK630 CIWS systems, 8 533mm torpedoes 24 RBU-6000 anti-submarine rocket laungers and the Udaloy class 2 is about the same but with 20 RBU-12000 anti-submarine missiles. max ranges are 19,400km.

Next is the Sovremennyy destroyers in which 7 are active and 2 are undergoing overhaul. 4 AK630s are used, 16 sunburn missiles, 48 S-300 missiles, 4 533mm torpedoes, 12 RBU-1000 anti-submarine rockets with the option of using 1 Ka-27 helicopter, max range is 7,260kms



Battle Cruisers

2 of the 4 cruisers got scrapped back in 2021 so that will save me some headaches here so the 2 cruisers will be the Nakhimov and Peter the Great cruisers. The Admiral Nakhimov is undergoing upgrades for new radars, missiles and SAM defense system, the modernization plan was damn pain but through my struggles I have made it. 10 UKSK with 8 missiles in one UKSK. In total; 80 missiles; P-800 Onyx (ranges increased to 1000km with Mach 5 speeds), 3M14 Kalibr cruise missile and anti-ship 3M54 Kalibr, 3M22 Zircon and Otvet(50km range missile that drops a depth charge for subs, Ka-27M pushes it to 100km ranges based on height launch). ship also has 8 of 12 launchers with a total of 96 missiles for the S-300. Those launchers will likely use new missiles from the S-400 system. But the only question left remaining is how many Redut cells will be used since that was talked about as well. If 6 Kashtan CIWS was used than 6 Pantsir-M can boost it to 192 SAM missiles for close range air defense. Peter the Great uses 128 missiles from the 3K95 Kinzhal system (the naval variant of the Tor system) and 9M330-2 missiles, as well as 144 9M311-1 missiles from the 3M87 Kashtan system. Admiral Nakhimov did not have the "Kinzhal" system. I am convinced that this system will be installed, but in an improved version, while Kashtan could be replaced by Pantsir-M and uses 48 S-300 missiles including the 48N6 SAM missiles. Both have an unlimited range because of nuclear power.


Aircraft Carriers

Several aircraft carrier projects were proposed but I have more doubts about new aircraft carriers getting supplied than I do with the Lider class destroyers to the Russian Navy. The Storm has a better chance of getting planned than other aircraft carrier projects stated it was proposed to use S-500 with option of using either 100 Su-57s or 100 mig-29Ks. The Admiral Kuznetsov is undergoing a refit to extend its service life to up to 25 years. Carrier uses 6 AK630s, 8 Kashtans which amounts up to 192 missiles to be used for SAMs, 12 Granit RAM missiles for offense, 24 by 8 cell Kinzhal system for another 192 missiles. Carries 18 Su-33s, 6 mig-29Ks, 4 Ka-31s and 2 Ka-27s. Carrier has a 15,700km max range

Special Projects

There are special projects in development and some old concepts that can be brought back to life like picture related. One project in development is called the Strazh which is a hybrid surface shit and submarine which based on size would have the role of a patrol ship. The stealth hybrid design would hold up to 42 people and defense, EW, radar, SONAR, missiles and torpedoes for it are currently unknown.

Although Caspian Sea monster was created but sucked at turning, the pursuit of Ekranoplans has never been turned down. How aircrafts that are large and heavy as ships manage to stay in the air with a long range is based on using the lorentz force. According to the 2018-2027 armament plan they are back to testing prototypes. The Be-2500 is capable of having 1000 tons of maximum payload, max takeoff weight of 2,500 tons wingspan 125.5 meters, a length of 115.5 meters, a max speed of 800 km and a projected max flight range of 16000 kms. A rescue Ekranoplan called chaika being created with a 50-ton weight limit and the Chaika-2 for transportation, with flight speeds of 360-400 km/hr, off-screen 450 km/hr. The flight range on the screen is 3000kms, off-screen 1900kms.



References

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2. Корвет "Меркурий" вышел в Финский залив на завершающий этап заводских испытаний (tass.ru)

3. Leaders of the Invisible: Stealth Corvettes Are Waiting for Modernization | Articles | News

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16.Anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex "Palash"/"Palma" (topwar.ru)

17. The shipborne air defense missile system "Polyment-Redut" has confirmed the ability to hit sea targets (topwar.ru)

18.Russia completes trials of new Otvet anti-submarine missile - Naval News

 

[Gary]

Zircon is a perfect tool to have but to make those tools work you need certain things to carry them to be used which means this now depends on their Navy's capabilities. The Yasen-M can carry either 40 kalibrs or 36 Onyx/Zircon missiles so if you have like 10 of these you can sink 360 ships, Kalibr costs 980k and an Onyx missile costs 1.25 million dollars, so I am assuming these missiles would be expensive somewhere in the 2 million to 5 million dollar range but I will just estimate it as a high 5 million dollars. Aircraft Carriers cost 5 billion to 10 billion dollars So lets say we have 5-million-dollar missile sink a 7.5 billion dollar aircraft carrier with 100 aircrafts costing 90 million dollars each, Russia loses 5 million dollars the other country loses 97.5 billion dollars, 360 Zircons can sink 360 Destroyers that usually cost 1.8 billion dollars so Russia loses 1.8 billion dollars for using 360 Zircons the country with 360 destroyers loses 648 billion dollars. There are two ways of finding ships or submarines which is SONAR and Satellites. These submarines can fire Zircons from underwater 1000kms away from ships, carriers or destroyers and still hitting them without getting noticed

As usual some fantasy scenario which for all intended purpose only there to cover up X country deficiencies in naval power.

You have X number of ships with Y number of magazine costing N dollars = Z numbers of ships getting sunk. As if the intended foe (here likely the USN) will just sit there and watch as glorious Kalibrs flew towards them unopposed.

This, is how the the USN arrayed themselves in battle for perspective, it covers an area so large, simple aerial photographic representation is not possible. You see the carrier group in the center (Washington D.C) while AWACS and CAP further out at 800km and rings of heavily armed ships separated in the 100km distance.

A single AWACS like the APY-9 equipped E2-D Hawkeye could scan the sky for threats 555kms away. All the way to Missouri. And that is just the ACTIVE sensor, the An/ALQ-217 ESM could sniff and triangulate targets as far as 920km+. Meaning that if a (singular) E2D happens to fly above Louisville, it could sniff targets as far as Kansas city with rooms to spare if need be. That is just how long the eyes and ears of a USN fleet is, its not even funny to think about it.

image : AN/ALQ-217

So how much could a SINGLE U.S navy CVN carry in one go during peace time ? Approximately 5. That means the whole E2D once airborne could create an air and threat picture as large as 4,835,992.5m^2. And only fools would think that a CSG fleet would only rely on those 5 Hawkeye to give them battle pictures and threat assessment. US is leagues ahead when it comes to informationalized warfare with significant ELINT, HUMINT, SIGINT assets in the air, ground, sea and space.

And in those 4,835,992 km^2 airspace nobody flies with the exception of USN fighters and other aviation assets (ASW helo for example).

So how would a hostile submarine fare against a US CSG for example ? not pretty I must say, the US holds an unchallenged accoustic supremacy ecer since the Cold War. Gorshkov's Soviet navy tries to catch up and had some success in narrowing the gap with the Akula class being very close to a 688i Los Angeles class but the cold war ended in Soviet defeat and while its successor the Russian navy declines and stagnates for a while, the USN keep walking ahead with the Virginia's and Seawolfs. The gap has once more widen.

Any submarines that is not actively hunted by the CSG extensive ASW assets like the MH-60R would be under constant danger with some Seawolfs or Virginia's up their ass. You fire your Kalibr ? good luck getting triangulated by US military vast sensors. Basically you fire some , and then you die. A CSG will not fight on its own, depending on the geography. USAF and USN specialized assets like the P-8 Poseidon will be there flying unopposed adding to the fleet already powerful ASW wing.

Now once the cruise missile is on, what's next ? Earlier I've posted how those peacetime strength of 5 E-2D Hawkeye could create an air picture of 4 million+ km^2 combined. The SPY-9 is designed to go after high and low flying air breathing objects (cruise missile) with look down capabilities. Once detected, the fleet commander has all the luxury to go after those missile with either fighter jets on CAP or his array of multiple AEGIS cruisers and destroyers.

The USN is no stranger to killing slow or fast, high or low, straight or maneuverable targets. Rich with multiple live fire exercise against drones like the GQM-163 Coyote, AQM-37 Jayhawk, BQM-177 and even KH-31 clone (MA-31).

The secret sauce ? No other than the most advanced fire control and command system installed onboard any ships afloat today, the AEGIS combat management system. In one such event , the FTM-11 Event 4 executed Apr 26, 2007 the USS Lake Erie

Aegis BMD successfully intercepted its eighth target in ten attempts. This test marked the 27th successful "Hit-to-Kill" intercept (for all MDA systems) since 2001. USS Lake Erie was the launching ship and utilized the Aegis 3.6 Weapon System. The interceptor was the SM-3 Block-Ia. This test not only demonstrated the ability of ABMD to intercept a ballistic missile but also demonstrated Lake Erie's ability to simultaneously track and intercept antiship missiles. This test also utilized the Solid Divert and Attitude Control System (SDACS), in the full pulse configuration.[72]

Now that trying to kill a carrier from afar using 100000000000km+ ranged missile are already difficult some will say that submarines should just sneak their way close to launch torpedoes.

Submarines operate the way a crocodile do, by sitting and waiting for opportunity. Their operating areas are pre-determined sectors of operation (to avoid fratricide). The dilemma ALL sub commanders face is its noise signature, sailing too fast, not only blows away your position. It also challenge your own accoustic sensors to discriminate targets. There's a speed limit of a submarine in which it could sail while at the same time being able to listen around. This is called the tactical speed.

Tactical speed - Wikipedia

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Gamers who has played games like Cold Waters (I do lol) knows how hard is it to keep up with ships sailing above 10 knots while at the same time trying not to be noisy enough.

Now in combat, a CVN like the Nimitz and Fords, runs at speeds of around 30+knots, real speed are of course confidential. Not only will the subs finds it hard to keep up without getting blown out of the water, there's another issue.

That is how to find a CSG. The OP mentions SONAR and Satellite. But forgot 2 important factors.

1. There aren't many Russian satellite
2. US navy are experts in evading one LOL

During the 1986 iteration of RIMPAC the CV-66 USS Ranger evade an extensive hunt by a combined USN and RAN fleet of aircrafts, destroyers and even satellites. During the exercise the Ranger, "bombed" Hawaii multiple times before returning safely to port. You can read the news here

How to Make an Aircraft Carrier Vanish

WASHINGTON (AP) _ U.S. Navy aircraft carriers, despite their incredible size, are becoming adept at a form of magic. Utilizing weather, speed, advanced logistical planning and high-tech tomfoolery, several carriers in recent months have managed to vanish from antagonist's eyes into the...

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That is the level of OPSEC and EMCON the US military has back in 1986, only fools would believe they had stagnated since then. SOmething that the 2022 Russian military still failed to learn and implement in Ukraine. So what are the chance of a Russian navy detecting or even locating one at sea these days ?

Now, what if a lucky hostile subs manages to slip the defensive walls and actually hitting one ?

USS Enterprise fire - Wikipedia

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1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia

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In all cases, the ship survives and some continue to operate.

USS America (CV-66) - Wikipedia

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one one occasion the US planted an underwater explosives in the hull an detonated it. To the surprise of many the ship did not sunk.

Here’s why it Took four Weeks to Scuttle USS America, the Only Supercarrier Ever Sunk - The Aviation Geek Club​

In the end the US navy decided to scuttle the ship on purpose, that means opening all watertight doors and purposefully detonate known weak points of the ship. It took hours to sink.

In real life combat not only a hit from ASBM and torpedos will be random (means it would not precisely hit the weak point), there will be damage control party to make sure the ship doesn't sink.

If its this hard to sink USS America, one could only imagine the survivability of modern Nimitz and Ford class carrier.

 

[Gary]

This UHF cross section posted by the OP supposedly shows the how "Plasma stealth" could defeat returning radar waves, thereby translating into an anti stealth. There's really nothing wrong with that statement.

A plasma will simply reflect radio waves below a certain frequency (which depends on the plasma properties). This aids long-range communications, because low-frequency radio signals bounce between the Earth and the ionosphere and may therefore travel long distances. Early-warning over-the-horizon radars utilize such low-frequency radio waves. Most military airborne and air defense radars, however, operate in the microwave band, where many plasmas, including the ionosphere, absorb or transmit the radiation (the use of microwave communication between the ground and communication satellites demonstrates that at least some frequencies can penetrate the ionosphere). Plasma surrounding an aircraft might be able to absorb incoming radiation, and therefore prevent any signal reflection from the metal parts of the aircraft: the aircraft would then be effectively invisible to radar. A plasma might also be used to modify the reflected waves to confuse the opponent's radar system: for example, frequency-shifting the reflected radiation would frustrate Doppler filtering and might make the reflected radiation more difficult to distinguish from noise.

But to be fair, it's not something that really has no countermeasures.

Control of plasma properties is likely to be important for a functioning plasma stealth device, and it may be necessary to dynamically adjust the plasma density, temperature or composition, or the magnetic field, in order to effectively defeat different types of radar systems. Radars which can flexibly change their transmission frequency might be less susceptible to defeat by plasma stealth technology. Like LO geometry and radar absorbent materials, plasma stealth technology is probably not a panacea against radar.

and not without its quirks

Plasma stealth technology also faces various technical problems. For example, the plasma itself emits EM radiation. Also, it takes some time for plasma to be re-absorbed by the atmosphere and a trail of ionized air would be created behind the moving aircraft. Thirdly, plasmas (like glow discharges or fluorescent lights) tend to emit a visible glow: this is not necessarily compatible with overall low observability. Furthermore, it is likely to be difficult to produce a radar-absorbent plasma around an entire aircraft traveling at high speed. However, a substantial reduction of an aircraft's RCS may be achieved by generating radar-absorbent plasma around the most reflective surfaces of the aircraft, such as the turbojet engine fan blades, engine air intakes, and vertical stabilizers.

Plasma_stealth

Plasma stealth Plasma stealth is a proposed process that uses ionized gas (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section (RCS) of an aircraft. Interactions between

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Interestingly Abhirup Sengupta has this to say about graph OP posted.

The zircon missiles Wikipedia‘s page says that it is effectively stealth because it generates a shockwave which absorbs radar because it ...

Answer (1 of 13): It’s an old propaganda that started with Mig 1.44 in late 1990s and in recent years got a new candidate with Zircon. Yes hypersonic speed generates plasma sheath where the missile is covered with a layer of ionised air, the intensity of which depends largely on the speed and alt...

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In late 1960s NASA performed RCS measurements on the re-entry vehicles and Apollo Command Module entering into the atmosphere to study the impact of plasma sheath on radar-tracking capability for future Apollo missions and beyond.

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This is the RCS graph of a Mach 19 re-entry vehicle for S-band Naval radar.

There’s negligible variation in RCS until a large spike around 150,000 ft. followed by a small decline at 115,000 ft. and then back to normal or rather a steep increase after 110,000 ft.

There I hope it helps. Wunderwaffe rarely works especially in Putin's Russia (don't get me wrong tho the Soviet Union are a technological juggernaut, just not the current itteration)

 

[blackjack]

As usual some fantasy scenario which for all intended purpose only there to cover up X country deficiencies in naval power.

You have X number of ships with Y number of magazine costing N dollars = Z numbers of ships getting sunk. As if the intended foe (here likely the USN) will just sit there and watch as glorious Kalibrs flew towards them unopposed.

This, is how the the USN arrayed themselves in battle for perspective, it covers an area so large, simple aerial photographic representation is not possible. You see the carrier group in the center (Washington D.C) while AWACS and CAP further out at 800km and rings of heavily armed ships separated in the 100km distance.

I would have rather prefered that you have moved this to the Russia vs XYZ thread since I made that thread for a reason, but oh well here we go.
How can you spot a submarine that is submerged from 1000kms away unnoticed from a CSG If it remains hidden and you have to spot it 1st? CSGs are easier to spot especially with MEO or GEO satellites that have a giant footprint and resolution that is sufficient enough to spot a giant ship or even groups of them.

A single AWACS like the APY-9 equipped E2-D Hawkeye could scan the sky for threats 555kms away. All the way to Missouri. And that is just the ACTIVE sensor, the An/ALQ-217 ESM could sniff and triangulate targets as far as 920km+. Meaning that if a (singular) E2D happens to fly above Louisville, it could sniff targets as far as Kansas city with rooms to spare if need be. That is just how long the eyes and ears of a USN fleet is, its not even funny to think about it.

What can this AWACs do to spot a submarine that is underwater? unless you are talking about mig-31s launching Kinzhals than those migs will be escorted by other fighter aircrafts to deal with AWACs and so on.

So how much could a SINGLE U.S navy CVN carry in one go during peace time ? Approximately 5. That means the whole E2D once airborne could create an air and threat picture as large as 4,835,992.5m^2. And only fools would think that a CSG fleet would only rely on those 5 Hawkeye to give them battle pictures and threat assessment. US is leagues ahead when it comes to informationalized warfare with significant ELINT, HUMINT, SIGINT assets in the air, ground, sea and space.

Do those AWACs drop Sonobouys? Even if they drop Sonobuoys to identify a location of submerged submarines they can be 100s or even 1000 kms away and AWACs have to know where to drop them the sea is pretty big.

And in those 4,835,992 km^2 airspace nobody flies with the exception of USN fighters and other aviation assets (ASW helo for example).

That absolutely amazing, do they fly 24/7?

So how would a hostile submarine fare against a US CSG for example ? not pretty I must say, the US holds an unchallenged accoustic supremacy ecer since the Cold War. Gorshkov's Soviet navy tries to catch up and had some success in narrowing the gap with the Akula class being very close to a 688i Los Angeles class but the cold war ended in Soviet defeat and while its successor the Russian navy declines and stagnates for a while, the USN keep walking ahead with the Virginia's and Seawolfs. The gap has once more widen.

This more of a just trust me bro we have better acoustic capabilities but not providing any evidence for any arguement to prove anything. The U.S. Navy dubbed some of Russia's submarines as the blackholes and they had Yasen class than Yasen class-M subs during that time period. I dont see any project like the Arcturus being developed for the USN if you want to talk about advanced submarines.

Any submarines that is not actively hunted by the CSG extensive ASW assets like the MH-60R would be under constant danger with some Seawolfs or Virginia's up their ass. You fire your Kalibr ? good luck getting triangulated by US military vast sensors. Basically you fire some , and then you die. A CSG will not fight on its own, depending on the geography. USAF and USN specialized assets like the P-8 Poseidon will be there flying unopposed adding to the fleet already powerful ASW wing.

I feel like you just ignored everything that I have posted or have not read part 2 so at this point I will just re-iterate everything I have said previously before. The Seawolfs and Virginia's need to identify Russian submarines 1st and in terms of stealth and SONAR detection capabilities you and I will just be fanboying left and right with no facts or evidence of which submarine is superior. So the HARMONY network is a giant SONAR network that can be placed anywhere at sea being powered by nuclear reactors and have ranges of several hundred kilometers is what I heard, and last time I checked Russia's torpedoes have longer ranges than what is in NATO's arsenal. CSGs have submarines close to them and you don't want CSGs to be vulnerable if you want to have one go randomly out to sea but 1000kms is more than plenty to still launch zircons underwater hitting a CSG.

Now once the cruise missile is on, what's next ? Earlier I've posted how those peacetime strength of 5 E-2D Hawkeye could create an air picture of 4 million+ km^2 combined. The SPY-9 is designed to go after high and low flying air breathing objects (cruise missile) with look down capabilities. Once detected, the fleet commander has all the luxury to go after those missile with either fighter jets on CAP or his array of multiple AEGIS cruisers and destroyers.

The USN is no stranger to killing slow or fast, high or low, straight or maneuverable targets. Rich with multiple live fire exercise against drones like the GQM-163 Coyote, AQM-37 Jayhawk, BQM-177 and even KH-31 clone (MA-31).

Yeah you definetly did not read anything I have wrote I will give you the benefit of a doubt that you actually read my response back. I googled Spy-9 and no results do you mean the an/spy-6? The U.S. still faces some failures and some successes intercepting ballistic missiles or getting assistance of intercepting BMs from ground radars nearby. The U.S. dealt with older ramjets or cruise missiles for low altitudes I have an agreement with you there but not scramjets, I think the US is still struggling to put scramjets into service (despite having the same research material the soviets gave them for the kholod project back in the 90s) that I think even the Indians will have Brahmos-2 ready before they have operational scramjets for their navy. Pretty hard to intercept scramjets if you don't have them yourself in service.

Now that trying to kill a carrier from afar using 100000000000km+ ranged missile are already difficult some will say that submarines should just sneak their way close to launch torpedoes.

Submarines operate the way a crocodile do, by sitting and waiting for opportunity. Their operating areas are pre-determined sectors of operation (to avoid fratricide). The dilemma ALL sub commanders face is its noise signature, sailing too fast, not only blows away your position. It also challenge your own accoustic sensors to discriminate targets. There's a speed limit of a submarine in which it could sail while at the same time being able to listen around. This is called the tactical speed.

CSGs move, get identified by satellites, submarines can be pre-positioned to wait to see what direction they are heading or will end up in. Even if the submarines have to move how would that stop them from launching missiles 1000kms away at a CSG group by using satellite guidance? You do realize that the US and Russia has evolved to the point that they can hit moving ships using satellite coverage, I have articles on that if you like?

That is how to find a CSG. The OP mentions SONAR and Satellite. But forgot 2 important factors.

1. There aren't many Russian satellite
2. US navy are experts in evading one LOL

During the 1986 iteration of RIMPAC the CV-66 USS Ranger evade an extensive hunt by a combined USN and RAN fleet of aircrafts, destroyers and even satellites. During the exercise the Ranger, "bombed" Hawaii multiple times before returning safely to port. You can read the news here

1. Russia does not beat the chinese or US for amount of satellites but they have enough to still provide constant coverage and are still launching a shitload of more satellites as we speak. https://jamestown.org/program/russi...ia launched 14,2562 launched in October; four
Russia has enough LEO satellites for each to pass by the same location to get a footprint of CSGs.
2, if by evading you mean intercepting LEO satellites as a joke since the USN can do this, MEO and GEO satilltes have SAR resolution that is sufficient enough to create a giant footprint identifying ships, also no capabilities of intercepting MEO or GEO satellites.

That is the level of OPSEC and EMCON the US military has back in 1986, only fools would believe they had stagnated since then. SOmething that the 2022 Russian military still failed to learn and implement in Ukraine. So what are the chance of a Russian navy detecting or even locating one at sea these days ?

Now, what if a lucky hostile subs manages to slip the defensive walls and actually hitting one ?

Russian military in 2022 failed in opsec(at least elaborate which is something you dont seem good at)? Geez I mean its not like they are fighting 40+ countries backing Ukraine with 24/7 intel I am sure that you are atleast a little bit brighter to not go randomly compare U.S. conflicts to this one.

In the end the US navy decided to scuttle the ship on purpose, that means opening all watertight doors and purposefully detonate known weak points of the ship. It took hours to sink.

In real life combat not only a hit from ASBM and torpedos will be random (means it would not precisely hit the weak point), there will be damage control party to make sure the ship doesn't sink.

If its this hard to sink USS America, one could only imagine the survivability of modern Nimitz and Ford class carrier.

Russian ASBM maneuver throughout every phase of their flight with EW and decoy capabilities, Has the BMs the U.S. tested have done this or not yet other than following a simple trajectory? I have only seen the U.S. show pictures of intercepting regular BMs with regular trajectories where only the warheads manuever but not the whole missile.

Russian BMs are not comparable to Sparrow. You can also check my Russia future nuclear strategic arsenal thread if you like?