TR Naval Programs

[Aqerdf]

via Mr. Özberk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683868220103462912

Maybe the AS 3600 could be our interim solution ?

With proper sensor employment, removing half of the VLS and increasing range/endurance.

I'm humbly requesting special attention to Ivar & Mogami style wet deck...

 

[Anmdt]

You think there will be any big chances to it before they start building the first ship?

Lesslikely, but it is Turkiye.
Asfat is continuing contract design that is to be based on DzKK/Armerkom's concept design.

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt Is there any chance, we learn more about those OPV based extended design by ASFAT that was shared few months ago?

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Could it be for Kazakhstan?

Kazakhstan deal also covers construction of shipyard, naval base, naval forces HQ etc. similar to what happened in Turkmenistan. So, i am doubting ships of this size (maybe one or two as the lead ship of flotilla). We may expect a similar flotilla with Turkmenistan.

 

[Saithan]

Kazakhstan deal also covers construction of shipyard, naval base, naval forces HQ etc. similar to what happened in Turkmenistan. So, i am doubting ships of this size (maybe one or two as the lead ship of flotilla). We may expect a similar flotilla with Turkmenistan.

Can you say anything about the size of the shipyard (Big/Medium/Small), also if we've landed a deal on something as big and important (IMO), then how can there be such a hassle over the land vehicle deal ?

 

[Anmdt]

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via Mr. Özberk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683868220103462912

Maybe the AS 3600 could be our interim solution ?

With proper sensor employment, removing half of the VLS and increasing range/endurance.

I'm humbly requesting special attention to Ivar & Mogami style wet deck...

They need to work a lot on the design to make it an interim solution or gap filler.

 

[UkroTurk]

Dearsan's Landing Submarine
280ton

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684436566733721600

İf they gave me this sub, i would put GMLRS launcher on it

Too much flat surface

 

[dBSPL]

Dearsan's Landing Submarine
280ton

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684436566733721600

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İf they gave me this sub, i would put GMLRS launcher on it

Too much flat surface

It's a very interesting concept. The twin propellers and the unusual shipboard structure reminded me of a submarine concept for intelligence purposes by a French design company about 7-8 years ago.

The beam of the landing platform is 7.36m and as far as I can understand, the interior volume platform height is 2.7 meters. To visualize, this is a volume that can easily fit at least two vehicles, possibly even 4 vehicles, like the PARS Scout 6x6.

I wish we could find out whether it will be a landing vehicle that will sail underwater during the cruise, surface on the beach and cover the beach, or whether it will leave its cargo underwater, because these two lead to completely different from each other. If it can land the beach, it can carry unmanned military reconnaissance, or engineering vehicles to prepare beach.

Or I think a more logical idea is that, this submarine can carry 2/4 semi-sub/submersible kamikaze drones etc. We will follow the news about this concept with interest. In the meantime, Dearsan has become one of the leading companies in the sector in terms of original design efforts. In my opinion, this is the most exciting development, as the company has started to reap the rewards of these efforts in the foreign market even before selling its unique products to the TAF.

Btw, this geometry must pose a whole new set of problems for submarine design. I'm not familiar with the details, but if you can build a submarine 10 times heavier than this in this geometry, it could be missile truck too, with dozen of vertical launch tube.

 

[Anmdt]

Btw, this geometry must pose a whole new set of problems for submarine design

It doesn't unless it is meant to dive at 300 meters. I think the submarine is particularly made to operate from a mothership or shore-to-shore staying submerged during voyage at 5 - 25 meters. Its maximum rated depth could be 50-100 meters that will not be challenging for the structural design. There should be countries interested in operating this.

 

[boredaf]

I think the submarine is particularly made to operate from a mothership

Now that is a very interesting idea.

 

[UkroTurk]

this submarine can carry 2/4 semi-sub/submersible kamikaze drones etc.

Operating kamikaze drones needs spending time on the sea. You should reveal yourself for a long time.

As you know i had another crazy project, GMLRS mounted Corvettes but you all said the ship would be vulnerable and easy to be detected.

Now imagine you loaded 4 TRG-300 on this submarines. They suddenly appear and pop up shores of Greece. İn five minutes the sub launchs 4 TRG-300 beyond 100km range. Then finally dive and hide itself.
Even rockets could be launched submerged.


Against air defense systems, Very practical and rapid strike isn't it?

Recall that if you add active radar seeker in TRG-300, you could hit ( with MACH3 speed) slow moving , big targets such as warships

Also you add passive radar seeker, you could use as anti radiation weapon and could destroy radars of air defense. TRG-300 has very high speed.

staying submerged during voyage at 5 - 25 meters

AFAIK when there is storm or bad sea conditions, under 50meters the water is calm. For sure not always, just in case of bad sea conditions , they dive deeper than 50m.isnt it?

 

[Saithan]

Operating kamikaze drones needs spending time on the sea. You should reveal yourself for a long time.

As you know i had another crazy project, GMLRS mounted Corvettes but you all said the ship would be vulnerable and easy to be detected.

Now imagine you loaded 4 TRG-300 on this submarines. They suddenly appear and pop up shores of Greece. İn five minutes the sub launchs 4 TRG-300 beyond 100km range. Then finally dive and hide itself.
Even rockets could be launched submerged.


Against air defense systems, Very practical and rapid strike isn't it?

Recall that if you add active radar seeker in TRG-300, you could hit ( with MACH3 speed) slow moving , big targets such as warships

Also you add passive radar seeker, you could use as anti radiation weapon and could destroy radars of air defense. TRG-300 has very high speed.

AFAIK when there is storm or bad sea conditions, under 50meters the water is calm. For sure not always, just in case of bad sea conditions , they dive deeper than 50m.isnt it?

Won’t they get detected once they come up to the surface. Especially with all the eyes up above watching. Launching while submerged would be preferable.

in the event of the sub wanted to usef for launching loitering ammo en mass like 128 of them with a range of 100 km or so. Would surely require the targets being predefined.

I think it’s a waste to use a sub for that purpose. Subs are high value targets and at their best when undetected.

I still think we need advanced sonobuoys for relaying/extending range and such. Would be worth every penny once you start having more unmanned vessels around airborne or submerged

 

[Cabatli_TR]

GE secured contract for remaining Istif class

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684602391591587840

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684629835568562176

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684629835568562176

I love the superstructure design of this ship. I honestly don't know if I feel that way because it belongs to our Navy or because it really is. But I hope that the production of this ship will not be limited to 4 units.


edit: When TCG Derya enters the same photos, it will be like a renaissance painting.

 

[Bogeyman]

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Dearsan Unveils Submarine For Amphibious Operations, XLUUV​

The designs were unveiled for the first time at IDEF 2023, which was held in Istanbul between 25 and 28 July 2023. All of the designs are in the conceptual phase, and the development process is still ongoing.

LCSUB​

The Dearsan LCSUB (landing craft submarine) is designed to support amphibious operations by taking aboard 60 Marines and delivering them undetected to shore. The submarine is also capable of monitoring, detecting, and gathering intelligence on the amphibious operations area.


According to information provided by officials at the Dearsan booth, the submarine has two pressure hulls, just like the Typhoon-class submarines. Although the submarine is in the design phase, development is still underway, and CONOPS have not yet been defined, it could be used on large amphibious ships with a pool, such as the TCG Anadolu, given the size and range of the boat.


LCSUB is expected to have high maneuvering capability in shallow waters and be capable to enter restricted waters and littoral areas undetected. It’s capable to operate independently or as part of a group.


It will be equipped with a navigation and maneuvering system for safe navigation surfaced and underwater. The boat will also have damage control, stability and trim control, platform control and management systems.


LCSUB Specifications:

• Length: 29.9 m
• Beam: 5.2 m
• Height: 4.65 m
• Displacement: 180 tons
• Crew: 5 + 8
• Marines: 60
• Propulsion System: Electric

HDA-700​

The amphibious submarine also has an attack variant called HDA-700, which is larger than the amphibious version and can be used in ASW and ASuW missions. HDA-700 will be a first-strike platform that can penetrate limited waters and coastal areas undetected.


The HDA-300 will be forward deployed and able to operate independently on missions lasting 10+ days without replenishment. The attack variant will be armed with 6×533 mm torpedo tubes for torpedo and missile engagement, while it can be capable to deploy mines and UUVs.


HDA-700 Specifications:

• Length: 36.5 m
• Beam: 8.1 m
• Height: 7.2 m
• Displacement: 700 tons
• Crew: 16 + 8 SFO
• Propulsion System: Diesel Electric optional AIP

AMT SEAL SUB​

AMT SEAL SUB is a 19-meter-long, small submarine designed to deploy special forces and conduct special operations. The submarine has a displacement of 85 tons and can dive up to 75 meters deep. The propulsion system will generate power of 100 kW, which will allow a speed of more than 10 knots. The submarine has a beam of 2.5 meters and a draft of 1.7 meters.

XLUUV variant​

Dearsan officials told Naval News that AMT SEAL SUB has an unmanned variant equivalent to an XLUUV. Naval News learned that the XLUUV concept is still under development. It could fulfil missions such as ASW, ISR and mine warfare.

Dearsan unveils Submarine for Amphibious Operations, XLUUV - Naval News

At IDEF 2023, Turkish shipbuilder Dearsan unveiled unique submarine solutions, including a landing craft submarine and a XLUUV.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Quad-pack Hisar-D Blk-2

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684828536337760256

 

[cr33pt3d]

Quad-pack Hisar-D Blk-2

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684828536337760256

I have a question for the more experienced guys in here , if I class is expected to be handed to the navy in late 2023, and first Hisar D RF will start missile test in Octobre, and considering that we have a problem with integrating ESSM into midlas, are we going to have a naked I class ?
I guess testing and integration phase of a naval missile takes at least a few months, since we have a brand new VLS and a brand new missile, can we assume the I class won't have any missile in 2024 and early 2025 ?
thanks .

 

[Saithan]

I have a question for the more experienced guys in here , if I class is expected to be handed to the navy in late 2023, and first Hisar D RF will start missile test in Octobre, and considering that we have a problem with integrating ESSM into midlas, are we going to have a naked I class ?
I guess testing and integration phase of a naval missile takes at least a few months, since we have a brand new VLS and a brand new missile, can we assume the I class won't have any missile in 2024 and early 2025 ?
thanks .

why would we use essm on midas ?

 

[cr33pt3d]

why would we use essm on midas ?

I remember reading a statement about being able to use ESSM in midlas, i guess it was mr sunnecti who wrote it . i guess the navy requested it otherwise why bother integrating it ?

here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683858006893527042

 

[boredaf]

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Dearsan Unveils Submarine For Amphibious Operations, XLUUV​

The designs were unveiled for the first time at IDEF 2023, which was held in Istanbul between 25 and 28 July 2023. All of the designs are in the conceptual phase, and the development process is still ongoing.

LCSUB​

View attachment 59632

The Dearsan LCSUB (landing craft submarine) is designed to support amphibious operations by taking aboard 60 Marines and delivering them undetected to shore. The submarine is also capable of monitoring, detecting, and gathering intelligence on the amphibious operations area.


According to information provided by officials at the Dearsan booth, the submarine has two pressure hulls, just like the Typhoon-class submarines. Although the submarine is in the design phase, development is still underway, and CONOPS have not yet been defined, it could be used on large amphibious ships with a pool, such as the TCG Anadolu, given the size and range of the boat.


LCSUB is expected to have high maneuvering capability in shallow waters and be capable to enter restricted waters and littoral areas undetected. It’s capable to operate independently or as part of a group.


It will be equipped with a navigation and maneuvering system for safe navigation surfaced and underwater. The boat will also have damage control, stability and trim control, platform control and management systems.


LCSUB Specifications:

• Length: 29.9 m
• Beam: 5.2 m
• Height: 4.65 m
• Displacement: 180 tons
• Crew: 5 + 8
• Marines: 60
• Propulsion System: Electric

HDA-700​

View attachment 59633

The amphibious submarine also has an attack variant called HDA-700, which is larger than the amphibious version and can be used in ASW and ASuW missions. HDA-700 will be a first-strike platform that can penetrate limited waters and coastal areas undetected.


The HDA-300 will be forward deployed and able to operate independently on missions lasting 10+ days without replenishment. The attack variant will be armed with 6×533 mm torpedo tubes for torpedo and missile engagement, while it can be capable to deploy mines and UUVs.


HDA-700 Specifications:

• Length: 36.5 m
• Beam: 8.1 m
• Height: 7.2 m
• Displacement: 700 tons
• Crew: 16 + 8 SFO
• Propulsion System: Diesel Electric optional AIP

AMT SEAL SUB​

View attachment 59634

AMT SEAL SUB is a 19-meter-long, small submarine designed to deploy special forces and conduct special operations. The submarine has a displacement of 85 tons and can dive up to 75 meters deep. The propulsion system will generate power of 100 kW, which will allow a speed of more than 10 knots. The submarine has a beam of 2.5 meters and a draft of 1.7 meters.

XLUUV variant​

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Dearsan officials told Naval News that AMT SEAL SUB has an unmanned variant equivalent to an XLUUV. Naval News learned that the XLUUV concept is still under development. It could fulfil missions such as ASW, ISR and mine warfare.

Dearsan unveils Submarine for Amphibious Operations, XLUUV - Naval News

At IDEF 2023, Turkish shipbuilder Dearsan unveiled unique submarine solutions, including a landing craft submarine and a XLUUV.

www.navalnews.com

I really love that landing sub concept, we can land considerable force for a beachhead (especially if we also build Trakya and use it together with Anadolu as motherships) without getting noticed, or giving the enemy as little time as possible.