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[uçuyorum]

TF2000 is needed for defense of mainland too because ballistic missile defense works when it's closer to the source, you must detect and intercept in early stages for longer range ones. Against longer range munitions as well it creates the first line of defense. Imagine enemy has 500km missile, you would be extending the needed range for them to hit your mainland by 100+km giving you more time to react and more chances to intercept

 

[Turkic]

Shahid drones need different solutions such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR, LEVENT. Even they should be combined with korkut35mm.
I i-class should have additional göksur /Levent Systems.

We're talking about defending the land with sea platforms before they're in the range of our coastal defence systems. Ships are not fast enough to catch Shahed drones on their route (to get them in close range air defence systems) if they're not aiming for the ship.

 

[UkroTurk]

It works just for Mediterranean sea. Black sea and islands sea is as not large as Mediterranean. However I - class would be enough for Mediterranean EEZ.

 

[UkroTurk]

We're talking about defending the land with sea platforms before they're in the range of our coastal defence systems. Ships are not fast enough to catch Shahed drones on their route (to get them in close range air defence systems) if they're not aiming for the ship.

So several warships could cover more territory before the attack. Stand off missiles fly on the sea level, horizon is 20 miles, how one big air defense frigate cover all black sea, islands sea, Mediterranean sea? Or do they have role of anti ballistic missile? Do we have own SM-3 or pac-3?

 

[UkroTurk]

I would be agree with you about large vls capacity, if we had pac-3 MSE or SM-3!!


BTW IT would be great if we had own PAC-3 MSE against ballistic missiles.

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Look pac
3 MSE going naval

Siper 2 could be?

 

[uçuyorum]

I would be agree with you about large vls capacity, if we had pac-3 MSE or SM-3!!


BTW IT would be great if we had own PAC-3 MSE against ballistic missiles.

Lockheed Martin Provides Updates on Naval PAC-3 MSE and G-VLS - Naval News

The U.S. Navy continues in their effort to integrate and field PAC-3 MSE on U.S. Navy destroyers. The capability would bring...

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Look pac
3 MSE going naval


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Siper 2 could be?

I mean we know its being worked on. TF2000 won't be finished too fast so until then I imagine we will have prototypes of abm capabilities at least, and radars will probably get better at tracking them with software and other upgrades

 

[Turkic]

So several warships could cover more territory before the attack. Stand off missiles fly on the sea level, horizon is 20 miles, how one big air defense frigate cover all black sea, islands sea, Mediterranean sea? Or do they have role of anti ballistic missile? Do we have own SM-3 or pac-3?

Capacity of I-class is never enough for AD missions. Your idea could work better with AS3600/TF-4500/F-142. I-class is just a corvette fitted with 16 VLS cells for self-defence and multi mission capability. Not designed for AD missions.

 

[UkroTurk]

Capacity of I-class is never enough for AD missions. Your idea could work better with AS3600/TF-4500/F-142. I-class is just a corvette fitted with 16 VLS cells for self-defence and multi mission capability. Not designed for AD missions.

Not enough? AD missions of what? which waters?

IMO, İ-class just lacks of Levent, Göksur .

 

[Turkic]

Not enough? AD missions of what? which waters?

Any waters. Even non-state organisations (terrorists and complicated states like Lebanon, Yemen, Libya) now have long range kamikaze drones which they can use in high numbers.

 

[UkroTurk]

Any waters. Even non-state organisations (terrorists and complicated states like Lebanon, Yemen, Libya) now have long range kamikaze drones which they can use in high numbers.

You have just said about kamikaze drones , how very difficult to catch them with one ship even with TF-2000.
That's why I suggested 4x I class.

But imo i-class just lacks of smaller SAMs such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR,Levent.

Additional göksur or Levent launcher would fit İ-class. We Just could cover all sea with it.

Even Tuzla Class patrol boats need AESA radar and SAMs.

 

[Turkic]

You have just said about kamikaze drones , how very difficult to catch them with one ship even with TF-2000.
That's why I suggested 4x I class.

I'm not saying your idea is bad. I'm saying I-class is not enough and the frigates I mentioned are the right candidates for your idea.

 

[Sanchez]

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[AlperTunga]

I assume TF-2000 will be able to fire Gezgin missiles unlike Istif. And have 64 VLS vs 16 for Istif. US and Japan destroyers have 96 VLS. And US has more than 60 destroyers so us having 6 of them should be „allowed“.

 

[hugh]

I assume TF-2000 will be able to fire Gezgin missiles unlike Istif. And have 64 VLS vs 16 for Istif. US and Japan destroyers have 96 VLS. And US has more than 60 destroyers so us having 6 of them should be „allowed“.

TF2000 has 96 VLS cells, not 64.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I assume TF-2000 will be able to fire Gezgin missiles unlike Istif. And have 64 VLS vs 16 for Istif. US and Japan destroyers have 96 VLS. And US has more than 60 destroyers so us having 6 of them should be „allowed“.

Istif may be able to fire gezgin

 

[TheInsider]

I assume TF-2000 will be able to fire Gezgin missiles unlike Istif. And have 64 VLS vs 16 for Istif. US and Japan destroyers have 96 VLS. And US has more than 60 destroyers so us having 6 of them should be „allowed“.

TF-2000 has 96x VLS(32 cells at the front, 64 cells at the mid). Starting from the second ship, İstif can fire Gezgin if the user chooses to do so. Strike length VLS will be installed on İstif starting from the second ship which will have the capability to host Gezgin missiles.

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/2024/1726595981_midlas.pdf

 

[Oublious]

 

[uçuyorum]

Istif may be able to fire gezgin

Istanbul wont, others will (they will use the longer VLS)

 

[Oublious]

What will this radr being used in the Turkish naval ships?

 

[Kaan Azman]

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