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[Huelague]

Sorry but, that doesn’t make any sense.
Can you please explain it in clear English? If need be, write it in your own language then have it auto translated on line in to English so that what you are trying to say is eligible. Because I’d be damned if I understood anything from what you have written above.

Okay, let’s try it again, you said it is a treasonous act by our government to sold out the battleships which we need on ourselves right now, is that correct?

I said, our government knows it better than any of us here, what are the urgent needs of our Navy. And if they decided to sell the ships (you need money to build these ones, btw), it could be the reason that we are not on war or will be in near future. And the current ships and other weapon systems are enough to handle possible aggressions.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We have one modern Frigate and 4 corvettes,you know that,right?
The rest is all obsolete,modernized but still obsolete.

I think you have put your finger on a really sore point!.
And you are in essence very correct;
Apart from TCG Istanbul, TCG Anadolu and 4 Milgem Ada Class ships, as combatants, TCG OrucReis has been through MLU and brought up to modern standards.
But 4 x Gabya class ships without VLS and even the 4 x ships with VLS have long past their “sell-by-date”. These 50+ year old 8 ships are the backbone of our combatant force, and should have been out of service by now.
Yavuz class ships should no longer be in Service. Remaining Barbaros Class ships are still waiting to be put through their MLUs. (I think SalihReis is now being worked on.

Burak Corvettes (one already decommissioned. But 4 still in service.) are also 50 year old ships. So they should have been decommissioned long time ago.

So, out of 16 frigates, 8 corvettes 1 assault ship combatant fleet, as you have pointed out we have 1+1 frigates, 4 corvettes and an assault ship that is modern. The rest are ancient and can be classed as “obsolete”.

All we have from officials are an abundance of: shall, will, going to . But nothing concrete. They told everyone that 3 ships will be produced together after TCG Istanbul. Their steel cuttings took place almost at the same time. Yet they are not going to be ready together. Never mind that ; two of them are to be sold. Remaining 4 ships, hulls also have been laid down and in production. But the rate of production has been slower than expected and it may be around 2030 when they are delivered.

We need to lay down at least 8 more new 125-135 metre long 4500 ton frigate hulls today to make sure we have at least parity with the Greeks by 2030s.

 

[Huelague]

We have one modern Frigate and 4 corvettes,you know that,right?
The rest is all obsolete,modernized but still obsolete.

How many ships/subs we are building right now?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Okay, let’s try it again, you said it is a treasonous act by our government to sold out the battleships which we need on ourselves right now, is that correct?

I said, our government knows it better than any of us here, what are the urgent needs of our Navy. And if they decided to sell the ships (you need money to build these ones, btw), it could be the reason that we are not on war or will be in near future. And the current ships and other weapon systems are enough to handle possible aggressions.

Bro, forget about our government knowing all!
That is what we are discussing here. Just read the posts related to this subject and use your own intelligence to decide if we have enough ships or not. You don’t need to be a member of government to see if 2+2 is 4.
You have Russian fleet in Blacksea to counter.
You have Greek fleet in the Aegean
In the Mediterranean;
You have Egyptian fleet growing every year.
You have Israeli fleet, small but effective.
French have a naval base in Cyprus.

You can’t confront these naval forces with almost obsolete ships. We need modern ships. Especially if one or two of those countries line up together against us. On top of it we have aspirations in The Horn of Africa. With what naval force???

 

[Pokemonte13]

I think you have put your finger on a really sore point!.
And you are in essence very correct;
Apart from TCG Istanbul, TCG Anadolu and 4 Milgem Ada Class ships, as combatants, TCG OrucReis has been through MLU and brought up to modern standards.
But 4 x Gabya class ships without VLS and even the 4 x ships with VLS have long past their “sell-by-date”. These 50+ year old 8 ships are the backbone of our combatant force, and should have been out of service by now.
Yavuz class ships should no longer be in Service. Remaining Barbaros Class ships are still waiting to be put through their MLUs. (I think SalihReis is now being worked on.

Burak Corvettes (one already decommissioned. But 4 still in service.) are also 50 year old ships. So they should have been decommissioned long time ago.

So, out of 16 frigates, 8 corvettes 1 assault ship combatant fleet, as you have pointed out we have 1+1 frigates, 4 corvettes and an assault ship that is modern. The rest are ancient and can be classed as “obsolete”.

All we have from officials are an abundance of: shall, will, going to . But nothing concrete. They told everyone that 3 ships will be produced together after TCG Istanbul. Their steel cuttings took place almost at the same time. Yet they are not going to be ready together. Never mind that ; two of them are to be sold. Remaining 4 ships, hulls also have been laid down and in production. But the rate of production has been slower than expected and it may be around 2030 when they are delivered.

We need to lay down at least 8 more new 125-135 metre long 4500 ton frigate hulls today to make sure we have at least parity with the Greeks by 2030s.

Wasn't TCG Akdeniz launched a couple of weeks ago

 

[AlperTunga]

Our country needs to understand this. We shouldnt rely on some thoughts like I am worse here but I am better there so I can handle this overall (albeit with a tight margin). We need to be clearly better than the combo of Greece + Israel, supported to some extent by France, India and US. And actually that is doable. We need to increase our military spending to at least 5% of GDP, by cutting down on other items. For the navy that means at least 4 Meko, 8 Istif, 6 TF-100 (or similar size frigate), 6 TF-2000 and 4 Gür, 6 Reis, 8 MILDEN, 6 STM 500 class submarines by 2035. Supported of course with sufficient number of other type of navy assets.

 

[hugh]

Are there new shipyards being built that can make 3k+ tons ships? Will we see any capacity increase in the next five years?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wasn't TCG Akdeniz launched a couple of weeks ago

Launching takes place before critical fitting out and sea trials; then delivery to the force inventory. Remember navy has to carry out acceptance tests. All this can take up to 1.5 to 2 years (In our case may be even longer).

Here is TCG Akdeniz . Nothing fitted on the mast and no gun yet. But launched. Literally an empty shell.

 

[TR_123456]

How many ships/subs we are building right now?

That is not the point,we can build 100 ships but if the Turkish navy doesnt get priority who cares how many ships we build?
The Greeks wil get 2 more DFI's(3 total) this year,how many will we get?
Just one I class probably.
So,as usual we dont have shit.
Same goes for army and airforce.all obsolete.
We produce drones but without a doctrine where they are used as force multipliers they are also useless because we dont have the 5th gen fighter jets.
Do we look like Iranians where everything is about useless drones and missiles?
They got fucked from all sides.
Are we in Africa or South America where you dont need much?
We need real frigates like @Yasar_TR abi mentioned above.

''We need to lay down at least 8 more new 125-135 metre long 4500 ton frigate hulls today to make sure we have at least parity with the Greeks by 2030s.''


The subs cant be sold,thank all the gods.
This bs about selling and getting money to fund other programs is big bs,no sane person buys it.
The state has the funds but uses it differently(who knows how)
Like i stated years ago,the KAAN will be funded by the Gulfies.
The Altay after fucking almost two decades still nothing.

They are just filling their own pockets and every former idiot even knows this,there is no denying it.
This is treason,nothing else,un fucking real!!!

 

[TR_123456]

Are there new shipyards being built that can make 3k+ tons ships? Will we see any capacity increase in the next five years?

Still not the point,even if we have 10 more shipyards.
Its about priority,you cant build for your own navy but when ready decide to sell them.
Our navy needs frigates now,not just the I class but bigger ones.

 

[boredaf]

The entire world is gearing up for war, this includes countries around us as well. One of the greatest aggressors of our age is Israel and we are in their way. The moves they made in the last 6 months, their recognition of Somaliland, their agreements and sales to Greece and Southern Cyprus, their incessant bombing of Syria, is all made against us. And they are not alone in that. India is also making plays against us through Greece, because of our ties to Pakistan. And let's not forget France, whose plans in the Mediterranean will always go against ours and who will always work against us.

We have long coastlines that are wide open to our potential enemies and and if there was a metric to show how much of our shores each of our ships has to cover it'd be abysmal. Our problem isn't just the Greece, hell I don't even think those puppets are worth worrying about on their own, but the ones that have their hands up Greece's arse. We need a modern and capable navy to be our first line of defence. Our Eastern borders are nigh impenetrable by large forces thanks to its topography. We have been paying a lot of attention to our South-South-eastern borders because of Syria. And we only have a tiny land border in the West. Any invasion or attack will mainly come through our seas. We have to have a strong navy.

Selling of I-class frigates when our navy desperately needs them to not get ahead but to keep up is dereliction of duty, especially at a time like this. Hisar class can be justified perhaps, but not the frigates. We need them on our shores, we need them around Anadolu, we need them around Cyprus and in the east Mediterranean.

 

[Yasar_TR]

How many ships/subs we are building right now?

Don’t start me on that again!
what is the point of laying down hulls if you are going to sell them before your own needs are met?

Subs:
We are building 4 Reis Class and 1 Milden at the moment.
Reis Class ship are going to be delayed by nearly a decade by the time they are finished.
The contract for Reis Class was signed in 2009. But came in to effect in 2011. First ship was to be delivered to Navy in 2015. It was delivered in August 2024.
Milden ; only last month did the steel cutting of first ship take place. It will be early 2030s before this first ship is ready.

Frigates:
TCG Istanbul finished.
next 7 ships at different levels of construction. But how can you keep count if they keep selling them?

Corvettes and OPVs:
10 OPVs in total in the programme.
first two almost finished. But one has been sold to Romania.
4 more OPVs are planned for production. But not started.

A single fast attack boat’s steel cutting taken place.

One Tepe Class destroyer steel cutting recently.

These are the Combatant Ships.


Do you think they are enough?

 

[hugh]

Still not the point,even if we have 10 more shipyards.
Its about priority,you cant build for your own navy but when ready decide to sell them.
Our navy needs frigates now,not just the I class but bigger ones.

The question was not related to the ongoing discussion in the thread. I'm curious if we're building extra capacity or this mantra of "39 ships at the same time" is the highest we're ever gonna get

 

[TR_123456]

The question was not related to the ongoing discussion in the thread. I'm curious if we're building extra capacity or this mantra of "30 ships at the same time" is the highest we're ever gonna get

I believe we have 6 builders/shipyards at most able to build on the levels needed.
Lets say three ships at a time,still dont get the nr of 30.
@Yasar_TR abi ?

 

[mehmed beg]

We have one modern Frigate and 4 corvettes,you know that,right?
The rest is all obsolete,modernized but still obsolete.

I understand that and it is truly bad, but sometimes the compromises need to be made. The costs of the earthquake and other calamities, need to finance KAAN and air engines etc. Other factors were in play. American refusal to sell the vertical launchers and Sparrow missiles , continues changes in the requirements for the missile boats, reworking all the doctrine for Anadolu after F35B were blocked.
Turkish Army needed to make a risky calculation. Now to talk about treachery???
I just hope that they start STM 500 submarine work and up arm Tuzla class boats, at least temporary.

 

[TR_123456]

I understand that and it is truly bad, but sometimes the compromises need to be made. The costs of the earthquake and other calamities, need to finance KAAN and air engines etc. Other factors were in play. American refusal to sell the vertical launchers and Sparrow missiles , continues changes in the requirements for the missile boats, reworking all the doctrine for Anadolu after F35B were blocked.
Turkish Army needed to make a risky calculation. Now to talk about treachery???
I just hope that they start STM 500 submarine work and up arm Tuzla class boats, at least temporary.

Those are all excuses.all 3 were for the Turkish navy but instead we have one and the next in two years.
So,we will have two new small 3000t frigates in 2028 while greece will have for 4 new DFI 4500t frigates.
France,Italy,Egypt all have 6000t FREMM frigates.
Frigates are the most important platforms at the moment for us.
You do the math.

 

[zio]

Guys do not hurt yourself we will get 200 kızılelma!..

 

[Nilgiri]

For people like them, our dearest government has passed a law; reserve zone. And i hope they have a taste of it.

If it deemed necessary or strategical, the state kicks the people off or acquires the land by force, rebuilds the zone and if these people lucky, they receive an apartment at most after several years, if not a little amount if money for what state thinks the land worth of.

Somewhat similar to what happened with Istanbul Class frigates.

TR would have had some existing eminent domain law though. State cannot function adequately without it.

I suppose this was an expansion of that (to make it easier with say less market price involved for compensation etc)...I mean why a new law needed?

In end it all boils down to trust in the regime pushing new laws over old ones.

A disturbing trend you Turks would know best regd the military echelon at hand, replacements there to make echelon/decision making/advice more compliant to executive and so on.

 

[mehmed beg]

Those are all excuses.all 3 were for the Turkish navy but instead we have one and the next in two years.
So,we will have two new small 3000t frigates in 2028 while greece will have for 4 new DFI 4500t frigates.
France,Italy,Egypt all have 6000t FREMM frigates.
Frigates are the most important platforms at the moment for us.
You do the math.

You know what, in some thread just recently people were talking how Europe is pushing Greece to confrontation with Turkiye and how Europe would let down Greece in the case of conflict.
Well Greece wouldn't be alone in such scenario, though many Turks believe that Greeks would be alone.
Greeks are penniless crooks and they are fed by these European junkies, Greeks frigates are better than the French ones, that tells you who pays for that. I know it is very inconvenient but, let's see what would 1000 Tyfuns do and 10000 drones.
The only strategically weak point of Turkiye is Trakkiya , Greeks can't reach Ankara but with Aselfir 600 , you can watch traffic lights in Athens.
90 odd billions for the earthquake relief so far, ain't exactly excuses. That's a lot of money

 

[AlperTunga]

TR would have had some existing eminent domain law though. State cannot function adequately without it.

I suppose this was an expansion of that (to make it easier with say less market price involved for compensation etc)...I mean why a new law needed?

In end it all boils down to trust in the regime pushing new laws over old ones.

A disturbing trend you Turks would know best regd the military echelon at hand, replacements there to make echelon/decision making/advice more compliant to executive and so on.

I don‘t understand what you are writing. Can you pls be clearer? What is eminent domain law? What is „less market price …“ what is „disturbing trend….“ I thought I can read and understand English.