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[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2033622272792268967

I don’t know if he’s just throwing things or if there are actual considerations?

Osur osur diz ip'e.

A Turkish proverb, nonetheless - simply 'bullshit'.
These people don't have grasp of reality.

Dear members; there is no practical possibility of aircraft carrier being fully operational earlier than 2035, let alone 'studying a nuclear aircraft carrier past 2030'.

United Kingdom, who also operates nuclear subs and capable of the aforementioned technological readiness level for deploying the system, has not adopted nuclear propulsion for the aircraft carrier. Turkish Navy also studied alternative propulsions for the aircraft carrier and concluded that, in a foreseeable future (which is 2040s) the Navy does not require to operate a nuclear aircraft carrier - yet surely needs a nuclear powered submarine.

All in all, making an aircraft carrier does not magically make it a global power projection unit, you need at least two of these since overhaul of nuclear propulsion may take two years, and moreover, you still need to replenish these ships and the crew. You don't magically unlock multi-year unrestricted deployments through the nucler propulsion, you still replenish the water, food and other maintenance units and spares for subsystems.

These people who lack basic understanding of what a ship is, and what the operational aspects of a flotilla, keeps making up this bullshit - for what they are being funded through alternative channel, and to gain sympathy of someone among the high-ups, and to gain 'followers'. I pity them, therefore i highly suggest to not refer to these in 'news' page. They are simply not reliable source.

 

[Anmdt]

The budget for TSK alone has to be at least $50 billion in order to speed up things a little.
Air Force, multi layered air defense systems, radars, replacement and modernization of the Navy that should be the main priority until 2030.

Our Marines are still using M48, Tepe-class is 3 years away from entering the fleet, but we start with MUGEM.

MUGEM won't be ready in 3 years, operational readiness will take up until 2035 or even 2040, the ship may go into service by 2032-33, this even being the highly 'optimistic' educated guess.

Unless otherwise stating that we are resolving quantum entanglement and parallel universes, and cross-universe teleporting and getting an AC out of one with entire of the crew.

 

[Tornadoss]

@Zafer can you tell us what is so funny about what @Anmdt wrote. They are very logical observations, enlighten us with your thousand akp wisdom.

 

[Anmdt]

@Zafer can you tell us what is so funny about what @Anmdt wrote. They are very logical observations, enlighten us with your thousand akp wisdom.

Akp-ium derivatives - common to be consumed by people believing that we could build an aircraft carrier approximately in less than 2 years and launch within 2027-2028 - have side effects of being joyful and laughing at/ridiculing the bitter truths.

For people who doesn't know ship design cycles, speaking in general terminology; MUGEM hasn't reached CDR stage, yet. Whereas, TF-2000 is in PDR stage.

 

[uçuyorum]

Akp-ium derivatives - common to be consumed by people believing that we could build an aircraft carrier approximately in less than 2 years and launch within 2027-2028 - have side effects of being joyful and laughing at/ridiculing the bitter truths.

For people who doesn't know ship design cycles, speaking in general terminology; MUGEM hasn't reached CDR stage, yet. Whereas, TF-2000 is in PDR stage.

I mean if the point is to have a piece of steel that float we could have it tomorrow!

 

[Khagan1923]

Akp-ium derivatives - common to be consumed by people believing that we could build an aircraft carrier approximately in less than 2 years and launch within 2027-2028 - have side effects of being joyful and laughing at/ridiculing the bitter truths.

For people who doesn't know ship design cycles, speaking in general terminology; MUGEM hasn't reached CDR stage, yet. Whereas, TF-2000 is in PDR stage.

Oh I'm sure they will try to launch something for 2027 or 2028. Just like they put KE on TCG Anadolu at the beginning of 2023 and alluded in interviews to have it deploy on it permamently in the future, while laughing at actual people with expertise saying its impossible.

There were literally people who were arguing on his site that KE will land and launch from Anadolu when all is said and done. Just for Selcuk Bayraktar to come out years later and say "We NeVER SaiD ThaT", yeah you didn't say it outright but you alluded to it for election reasons.

 

[boredaf]

Oh I'm sure they will try to launch something for 2027 or 2028. Just like they put KE on TCG Anadolu at the beginning of 2023 and alluded in interviews to have it deploy on it permamently in the future, while laughing at actual people with expertise saying its impossible.

There were literally people who were arguing on his site that KE will land and launch from Anadolu when all is said and done. Just for Selcuk Bayraktar to come out years later and say "We NeVER SaiD ThaT", yeah you didn't say it outright but you alluded to it for election reasons.

Akp-ium derivatives - common to be consumed by people believing that we could build an aircraft carrier approximately in less than 2 years and launch within 2027-2028 - have side effects of being joyful and laughing at/ridiculing the bitter truths.

For people who doesn't know ship design cycles, speaking in general terminology; MUGEM hasn't reached CDR stage, yet. Whereas, TF-2000 is in PDR stage.

There is no helping them unfortunately, nor arguing with them. You can see the same attitude when it comes to numbers of anything as well (1000 Kaan 100000 drones 5000 Altay etc), it is a combination of lack of understanding of the logistics and cost, and, lack of critical thinking when it comes to the football club, I'm sorry, political party they support.

They believe being a patriot means blindly believing everything they are told, refusing the objective reality if necessary and never, ever criticising anything; when in reality, this attitude is the very thing that destroys nations and empires, rots them from within.

 

[Anmdt]

Oh I'm sure they will try to launch something for 2027 or 2028. Just like they put KE on TCG Anadolu at the beginning of 2023 and alluded in interviews to have it deploy on it permamently in the future, while laughing at actual people with expertise saying its impossible.

There were literally people who were arguing on his site that KE will land and launch from Anadolu when all is said and done. Just for Selcuk Bayraktar to come out years later and say "We NeVER SaiD ThaT", yeah you didn't say it outright but you alluded to it for election reasons.

I bet twin-engined Kızılelma-N will attempt for a land based test of take off and arrest wire landing (STOBAR) with the precently produced test-block of MUGEM, latest by 2027. A test block merely consisting of Ski-jump section, of which steel cut, welding has been commenced for sake of our dear president's ceremonial appearance.

They will also held keel-laying of MUGEM at the launching of first TF-2000.

Trivial fact; the chief of TN and chief of Navy's shipyard have gifted the scaled-model MUGEM at the ceremony, yet the design had since changed twice.

As a further note; the military shipyard's current order book consist of 1 TF-2000, and 4 OPV, in addition to MUGEM. Anyone with slightest idea of the shipyard's steel processing capacity, or with barely enough two-digit of IQ may check the satellite maps and production lay out to further see MUGEM, TF-2000, and 1/2 OPVs can not be built concurrently.

I also have further information on how they aim to build MUGEM that relates to shipyard's own capacity almost not at all (at least for steel processing), however i would rather not disclose it currently.