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The Kazakhstan Language Institute has announced the new Kazakh alphabet.

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One of the most critical stages in the transition of Turkic states to a common alphabet is the use of the new Kazakh alphabet in Kazakh Turkish. Unlike the Turkiye's Turkish alphabet, the letters C and Ç are absent, and N and Ü consist of two sounds each. This is due to sound differences in the dialect. There are 10 vowels in the 31-letter alphabet.

In addition to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan will gradually adopt the Latin alphabet from 2023.

Thus, respectively Azerbaijan returned to its alphabet (banned during the Soviet era) in 1991. Turkmenistan followed in 1993, and now Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have started the transition to the common alphabet from 2023. Only Kyrgyzstan remains. In 2022, Dr. Kanybek Osmonaliyev, who participated in the Turkic World Common Alphabet Workshop on behalf of Kyrgyzstan, announced that the Kyrgyz language institution will complete its work on this issue in a very short time and will switch to the Latin alphabet standard.

Thus, by 2024-2025, 7 independent Turkic states, excluding diaspora and minority or affiliated federated states, will have reached the common alphabet standard and completed the most critical stage in the field of cultural integration.
Thank you for your contribution. As always, it's very informative.

I have to say that in our case - unfortunately - some mistakes were made during the transition from the Arabic script to the Latin alphabet.

Many people aren't aware of this fact but the letters (pronounciations, syllables, sounds, phonemes) ä, q, x, ñ, w are actually all present and very alive in modern-day Turkish/Turkey.

Perhaps we, too, need to revise our alphabet to a certain degree and most importantly without turning this reform into a political battleground.
 

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The Kazakhstan Language Institute has announced the new Kazakh alphabet.

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One of the most critical stages in the transition of Turkic states to a common alphabet is the use of the new Kazakh alphabet in Kazakh Turkish. Unlike the Turkiye's Turkish alphabet, the letters C and Ç are absent, and N and Ü consist of two sounds each. This is due to sound differences in the dialect. There are 10 vowels in the 31-letter alphabet.

In addition to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan will gradually adopt the Latin alphabet from 2023.

Thus, respectively Azerbaijan returned to its alphabet (banned during the Soviet era) in 1991. Turkmenistan followed in 1993, and now Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have started the transition to the common alphabet from 2023. Only Kyrgyzstan remains. In 2022, Dr. Kanybek Osmonaliyev, who participated in the Turkic World Common Alphabet Workshop on behalf of Kyrgyzstan, announced that the Kyrgyz language institution will complete its work on this issue in a very short time and will switch to the Latin alphabet standard.

Thus, by 2024-2025, 7 independent Turkic states, excluding diaspora and minority or affiliated federated states, will have reached the common alphabet standard and completed the most critical stage in the field of cultural integration.

Why is it latin?

We should be reviving the old turkic alphabet.
 

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Our history all we ever did was adopt foreign alphabets.

Sad how rich our history is I guess our nomadic heritage Ieads to us adopting foreign stuff once we become settled.

Dont get me wrong im not against Arabic, Latin, Chinese, Iranic and Cyrillc alphabets but the old Turkic alphabet should have stayed with us.

If the Georgians and the Armenians can keep their ancient alphabets we should have too.
 

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Why is it latin?

We should be reviving the old turkic alphabet.
Although the restoration of the Turkic alphabet may sound nice on paper it is extremely impractical in practice plus there is a much bigger linguistic problem in Turkey such as the growing rate of Turks randomly interjecting English words into random Turkish sentences while thinking that makes them seem sophisticated somehow.
 

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Although the restoration of the Turkic alphabet may sound nice on paper it is extremely impractical in practice plus there is a much bigger linguistic problem in Turkey such as the growing rate of Turks randomly interjecting English words into random Turkish sentences while thinking that makes them seem sophisticated somehow.

I guess it makes sense when Arabic was the most spoken during the Islamic world hence why we took up their alphabet and to understand europe and the west we took up latin.

I guess its just evolution.
 

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Why is it latin?

We should be reviving the old turkic alphabet.
I think it'll progress like this:

All Turkic States will switch to Latin >>> combined Turkic language will be established which will have as many original Turkic words as possible >>> Turkic alphabet will then be taught alongside the new combined Turkic language.

However I doubt it will replace Latin, right now the Latin alphabet is more practical for a number of reasons. The Turkic World needs to progress in every single field and work together tightly until we even think of switching to Old Turkic.
 

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I guess it makes sense when Arabic was the most spoken during the Islamic world hence why we took up their alphabet and to understand europe and the west we took up latin.

I guess its just evolution.

The Turks and Vikings kind of did the same thing, they conquer a region and then adopt the local culture. Turks pretty much did this everywhere they went. What kept the Turkish language alive was not so much the ruling class of the Turks, but the fact the common Turks spoke that language. A big reason it was easy for Ataturk to switch from the arabic script to the latin during the formation of the republic was because the common Turk never really incorporated it into his daily life. The average joe even a hundred years ago couldnt read nor write. Most of the Muslim world up until about a 100 years ago couldnt read the book, it was the clergy who told the people what was in the books.
 

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The Turks and Vikings kind of did the same thing, they conquer a region and then adopt the local culture. Turks pretty much did this everywhere they went. What kept the Turkish language alive was not so much the ruling class of the Turks, but the fact the common Turks spoke that language. A big reason it was easy for Ataturk to switch from the arabic script to the latin during the formation of the republic was because the common Turk never really incorporated it into his daily life. The average joe even a hundred years ago couldnt read nor write. Most of the Muslim world up until about a 100 years ago couldnt read the book, it was the clergy who told the people what was in the books.

Thats not true the clergy did not own education.

If you had money you can get all the education you want.

Clergy and Kings has never monopolised knowledge no matter what because if you had the money at the time you had lots of opportunities while peasants could not afford it. Either they become a farmer or a soldier.

Us Turks fallen back because we were not a merchant class either we cared about ruling and conquering.

So many examples of Turks working as mercernaries. Our whole culture is built upon a warrior mentality due to that mentality that allowed us to survive.

Even in our culture we believe the soldier is the highest forms of honour.

We did not really care about business or setting up a merchant class. Greeks, Armenians and the Jews are not really warriors but they survived due to them accmulating wealth by being merchants this allowed them to send their sons abroad to the West to get knowledge.
 

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Thats not true the clergy did not own education.

If you had money you can get all the education you want.

Clergy and Kings has never monopolised knowledge no matter what because if you had the money at the time you had lots of opportunities while peasants could not afford it. Either they become a farmer or a soldier.

Us Turks fallen back because we were not a merchant class either we cared about ruling and conquering.

So many examples of Turks working as mercernaries. Our whole culture is built upon a warrior mentality due to that mentality that allowed us to survive.

Even in our culture we believe the soldier is the highest forms of honour.

We did not really care about business or setting up a merchant class. Greeks, Armenians and the Jews are not really warriors but they survived due to them accmulating wealth by being merchants this allowed them to send their sons abroad to the West to get knowledge.

The reality is that most people for most of history could not read nor write, that was for the ruling classes primarily or the class who had the money and status so their kids could learn. Rationally only the ruling classes could have turned these religions any religion into a state function spread across countless countries. No peasent could have set up the vatican/catholic church and kept it running/functioning across the European continent.

When Turkiye was founded most of the Turkish nation couldn't read and most our Turkish ancestors never read the Quran. Potentially billions of Christians and Muslims lived a life in the past having never been able to read the book of their religion for themselves. The religion was controlled and handed down from the clergy which was always part of the ruling class. In europe it was more obvious with the catholic church and her bishops.
 

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You are right, Timurid and Mughal empire are somewhat incorrectly classified as Turkic empires.

i cannot speak for Timurid empire as i dont know much about it, but i can definitely, and rightfully talk about the Mughal empire. because IT IS OUR HISTORY, IN OUR LAND AND DEEPLY RELATED TO US, MUCH MORE THAN the people lives in modern Turkiye.

Trying to establish Turkic empire as Mughal empire's somewhat only and primary identity just because its rulers had Turkic-Mongol origin, is quite misleading.

It is nothing against Turks, they are our brothers and we love them. However, to just broadly brush MUGHAL EMPIRE as Turkic empire is problematic and lot of times this habit, overlook the empires unique nature of multiple cultural, religious and ethnic identities which are equally if not worth more as its Turkic identity. And this effort sometime may feel disrespectful to other indigenous identities which were equally part of Mughal empire.

Actually, for me broadly speaking, it make little sense to associate the idea of modern ethnic groups onto highly complex and complicated empires of old.
They overstate the Turkic nature of the Mughal Empire in a way that can only be described as cultural appropriation. You're right.
 

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The presence of the TRC flag and the head of state at the Extraordinary Summit of the Heads of State of the Organization of Turkic States is a historic step and an important threshold for the solidarity of Turkic states. We will overcoming psychological barriers one by one.
 

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Why are you people so obsessed with ethnicities and genealogy.
Please quit derailing the threads with your history and ethnicity lectures.

If @Afif see's himself as one of my/our ancestors, he's more than welcome to the family.

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The presence of the TRC flag and the head of state at the Extraordinary Summit of the Heads of State of the Organization of Turkic States is a historic step and an important threshold for the solidarity of Turkic states. We will overcoming psychological barriers one by one.

This is good fucking news. Dont let this be a one time thing. TRNC deserves a seat at every table.
 

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@what Could you please move our off topic discussion HERE
 

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Azerbaijan state, 1000 housing and social equipment projects in the earthquake zone. Long live Azerbaijan,long life Türkiye. Long life Türk nationality.

When we are united, we exist, we are effective, we are strong, we are happy.
 
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The Milli Majlis of Azerbaijan will ratify the agreement on the establishment of the Turkic Investment Fund tomorrow.

Approval of the agreement on the establishment of the Investment Fund is on the agenda of the plenary session of the Milli Majlis to be held on May 30.


According to the agreement, the purpose of the fund is to promote the economic development of the member states of the Organization of Turkic States by expanding intra-regional trade and supporting economic activity.

The founders of the Turkic Investment Fund are Azerbaijan, Turkiye, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.


Cultural and economic integration are the priorities of the Organization of Turkic States in the new era.
 

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RTE: "We will work harder to transform our relations with Azerbaijan into an institutionalized economic and political integration model. We will launch new projects that will strengthen our ties with the Turkic world with the goal of 'unity in language, ideas and work', which was outlined by the late Ismail Gaspirali about 1.5 centuries ago."

It is important and noteworthy that these words belong to the institution of the presidency. And, these words should be evaluated together with the following: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/turkic-council-eyes-forming-united-states-of-turkic-world/2192579

I have written a lot under this heading, my dear friends have underlined very important strategic issues and developments. I am not going to repeat all this, but it is quite clear what the deepening integration step by step, the unity of language/alphabet, culture and history, combined with security, economic and political integration, means and where it is pushing us regarding the common destiny of states. Full EU-like economic integration and even a common currency are goals that are no longer far away. A union of states that is self-sufficient in energy, raw materials, intermediate products and production functions is not a utopian goal.

But at the core, we seem to be on the verge of bigger developments. More precisely, the main element that will form the core of this union and create its gravitational pull seems to be much closer. In the next 20 years, a 100 million tripartite federation of Azerbaijan, the Turkish Republic of Cyprus and Turkiye is no longer a dream. After cultural integration, security integration has been realized to a great extent. Now, political and economic integration will be the next stage of Azerbaijan-Turkiye integration.
 

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It is the anniversary of the Şuşa Declaration, which is the basis of a security agreement that will include the world of independent Turkic states in the coming years. June 15, the national liberation day of the Azerbaijan state, will be recognized as one of the most important dates not only for our Turkish brothers and sisters in Azerbaijan, but also for the entire Turkic world decades later.
 
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