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Intact? It's clearly missing the head.
The Nose section in an AAM typically consists of seeker, guidance electronics, and proximity fuse with the warhead likely right behind it (possibly still in the intact mid-body) followed by the rocket motor/booster etc

The rear section and mid-body appear mostly intact, including the control surfaces and rocket motor casing and there's no obvious scorch or fragmentation damage, suggesting no warhead detonation occurred. This particular PL-15 either malfunctioned mid-flight and broke up in the air or ran out of fuel or failed to find a target, then crash-landed.

The way AAMs' work is when the missile is close to the target, a proximity fuze (or direct impact) triggers the warhead and it detonates in place, usually a blast-fragmentation type sending high-speed shrapnel outward. The missile bodyshatters or is blown apart with the explosion. In most cases, the front and mid sections are destroyed, especially if the warhead goes off properly. You might find rear parts (like fins or part of the engine casing) on the ground, but never the majority of the body intact unless the warhead didn't detonate.
 

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Can anyone answer the question? @Nilgiri
 

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And yet, in the near future, Pakistan will get its most advanced weapon systems from Türkiye.
Doubt that, and still, political cost for that will still be very low. Turkish support for Pakistan endured 70 years and like 10 different governments, it won't go anywhere in the future. And Indian Turkish relations will stay minimal for years to come. So no political cost.
 

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One of the biggest lies I have ever heard in recent hostilities. Songar is designed to support infantry provide fire support/CAS it has a limited range and is not designed to attack air defense systems. Chances are very low that Pakistan has 400 Songar drones.

Tensions between India and Pakistan, which began in recent days, turned into conflict as of May 6, and arrogant statements directed at Turkey started coming from India. One of the close associates of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, retired General Gagandeep Bakshi, targeted Turkey in a program he attended.

"TURKEY IS A DIRECT ENEMY TO US"
In an interview with Neena Rai's YouTube channel New India Junction, the Indian commander made threats by claiming that Turkey wants to revive the caliphate and become the leader of the Muslim world. Stating that Turkey is a direct enemy to India and reminding that India is a nuclear power, Bakshi said, "If necessary, we can turn Turkey into hell. Turkey has been behaving badly for some time."
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I don't think nuking a NATO country is a smart decision, but Turkiye should use this rhetoric to get its own nukes.
 

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Tensions between India and Pakistan, which began in recent days, turned into conflict as of May 6, and arrogant statements directed at Turkey started coming from India. One of the close associates of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, retired General Gagandeep Bakshi, targeted Turkey in a program he attended.

"TURKEY IS A DIRECT ENEMY TO US"
In an interview with Neena Rai's YouTube channel New India Junction, the Indian commander made threats by claiming that Turkey wants to revive the caliphate and become the leader of the Muslim world. Stating that Turkey is a direct enemy to India and reminding that India is a nuclear power, Bakshi said, "If necessary, we can turn Turkey into hell. Turkey has been behaving badly for some time."
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It looks like Pakistan really dealt them a painful blow
 

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Tensions between India and Pakistan, which began in recent days, turned into conflict as of May 6, and arrogant statements directed at Turkey started coming from India. One of the close associates of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, retired General Gagandeep Bakshi, targeted Turkey in a program he attended.

"TURKEY IS A DIRECT ENEMY TO US"
In an interview with Neena Rai's YouTube channel New India Junction, the Indian commander made threats by claiming that Turkey wants to revive the caliphate and become the leader of the Muslim world. Stating that Turkey is a direct enemy to India and reminding that India is a nuclear power, Bakshi said, "If necessary, we can turn Turkey into hell. Turkey has been behaving badly for some time."
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Even if it's not a NATO country, if you launch a nuclear attack, the rest of the world is not going to sit and watch. There is no country that can launch a nuclear attack, no country is ready for a large-scale war. War is about people, you can't find that many people in a world like this. In the past, a war between 5000 vs 7000 people was considered a big war. In the Russia-Ukrania war, nearly 1 million people died in total, as a result, if we look at 3 years ago, there was not a big change.

There will always be pensioners with delusions. If it were up to these pensioners, the Taj Mahal (Mughal Empire) would have to be destroyed. Don't be surprised that they are hostile to Turks. No one needs to take them seriously. Let them go on fooling their own citizens.

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They will regret attacking Pakistan (not about Pakistani power). They have realized that their military power is not fit for war. They could not even respond to the allegations circulating about Rafela fighter jets. There were reports from France, the US saying that a fighter jet had crashed. They did not deny the news, but they quickly found out the origin of the drones used by Pakistan and made an official statement.
 

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Retired army generals are idiots everywhere, hardly a topic for this thread. Let's not derail the thread please.
 

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Retired army generals are idiots everywhere, hardly a topic for this thread. Let's not derail the thread please.
No, it's nothing personal. India has enmity against us. We have only provided Pakistan with drones, but they talk as if they are losing the war because of the weapons we are giving Pakistan. China is the main supplier.
 

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Retired army generals are idiots everywhere, hardly a topic for this thread. Let's not derail the thread please.

Gen Bakshi is not taken seriously by Indian defence commentator worth any beans...much less the defence establishment.

Dunno where random twitterati pull out he is "close aide to Modi" or whatever else suits their fancy.

He has been missing his head a while now...borrowing some earlier parlance regd drones/missiles here.

He just embarrasses himself once again. He doesn't speak for rest of us.

The media ecosystem of India harnesses this person specifically for his dumb outbursts.

I've seen US and other media do the same incl. against Turkey.

Fox news etc, will bring some "retired general" (seen as relative kook by rest) and then various things are soundbited regd Turkey or whichever other middle eastern country that US has some long term or developing issue with.

Bakshi is just a more senile version of that IMO.

For a pattern, you need a broad number of generals etc even retired ones acting like this guy.
 

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Also folks, take the history chit chat to proper threads.

Don't derail with (complex) pre-nationstate era stuff here.
 
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