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PKK called for individual actions after the elections. They called for acts of terror in the metropolises. One of those who issued the call was Yusuf Şek, code-named Yaşar Çiya, the head of the PKK's HPG branch, an important detail since he is the terrorist who ordered many bombings in past. They were declared peace doves by some trolls on media, but when their plans were upset, they unmasked themselves.
 

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Nice one mate, laughed a lot at the fake news😅

Nothing better than seeing how the CHP supporters are trying to cope with their loss
The last one to talk about fake videos are the CHP. Kilicdaroglu admitted to using fake videos in the Turkish parliament to increase voices of support for his cause and lets not forget the cruel and fake s*x tape released by the CHP against Muharrem Ince in order to kick him out of the presidential race

Rn, Kilicdaroglu lost around 13 elections and is around 75 years old and yet refuses to leave the CHP chairmainship position. Turkey and Turks are truly lucky that they have averted a massive crisis by appointing a true bona fide dictator like Kilicdaroglu and the Turks as always have none other than Central Anatolia to thank for
 
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Buddy, everybody got over the election, you should too.
 

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reminds you of something ? :p
 

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Personally i feel if you can get enough volunteers, you want to avoid enlisting people into the army who don't want to be there. They are a risk to themselves and everyone around them, not to mention the wasted resources in training and arming these guys.

Mandatory training in peace time, where people have to do a year or two is one, but when a real war comes you want the army to first be made up of people who want to be there.
 

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"New Minister Mehmet Şimşek's "rational basis" statement today is a continuation of TÜSİAD's famous "generally accepted rules of economics" manifesto."

honestly i get sick of seeing the same tired faces.

It reminds me of watching the Turkish national football team. You know the good players, meanwhile the same shitty players keep getting picked and over again and the best you ever get is mediocre results.
 

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Two days ago we passed 20. anniversy of Hood Event which presented new dilemma for Turkiye's national security as U.S. stopped pretending be our ally and started openly acting as PKK's main sponsor.While United States taking control of PKK and being its main sponsor started all way at early 90s with fall of Soviet Union.Only difference is they have denying this reality and their support to PKK was rather low as they still actted like our ally but 2001 Iraq Invasion coming they stopped hiding their intentions and started doing their thing openly.Finally failed coup attemp of Gulenist(resident American assets) and their purge by Erdogan this support became even more forceful caused U.S.-TR relationship status to fall to nearly zero as of today.

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I hadn't seen this. So basically AIPAC which has a strong hold over most of U.S. institutions (though that strong hold is on a downturn) and the congresspeople and senators on their payroll were the main proponents of Gulen, AKP and Cemaat's crime syndicate and private school networks in U.S.

She reveals in another part of the video that Turkey, along with UK and Belgium were the only countries in CIA headquarters that didn't have a counterintelligence office dedicated to them before 2001, due to the extent and intensity of the cooperation they had under the Gladio program.

This with other evidence that I have gathered from David Livingstone's book and other people close to Graham Fuller, goes to show the importance U.S., AIPAC, Israel and Mossad allotted to having Turkey under full control through their agents (Like many other people with a proclivity for common sense and anti-conspiratorialism I was also always warry of the talk about foreign powers and their seemingly extraordinary interest in Turkish domestic issues and I did deride this attitude, but it seems Turkey is something special in the eyes of many in western and Israeli intelligence communities as they seem to be much more interested in our country that they are in others in the region or even in the world).

AKP along with Cemaat played the role of the good puppet until 2009 and Erdogan's "one minute" sally (a bold and stupid declaration of intent), after which they probably decided Erdogan's no longer a reliable puppet and started slowly trying to phase him out, while intensifying Ergenekon and Balyoz; antagonism became unbearable for dominant elements of U.S. state department by 2013 due to both anti-Israel rhetoric but more importantly because of the support to Iran in cooperation with Russia to evade their sanctions by helping them launder their petrodollars; as a reaction they started the corruption investigations in the hopes of being able to topple akp in the coming elections of 2014. But you have to ask how could they ensure they got their guy in after Erdogan leaves?

There are a lot of circumstantial evidence that after they decided that Erdogan is not cooperating fully anymore starting from 2009-2010, they tried to occupy the other main party, CHP by introducing their Cemaat elements into them (RAND corp report being a concrete proof of this]. The 2013 corruption scandal didn't have the desired effect in 2014 elections (as the double whammy of doubly stupid akp voter [Firstly they are so stupid that they would never hold a government or its officials accoutable for anything as they work based on blind loyalty to Islamist aesthetics and secondly at the time they don't know anything about Ergenekon and Balyoz and Cemaat and the attempts to take over the government and even if they do know some things, their reaction is to cheer the Cemaat on in their fight against coup plotting Generals] turns positive like how two negatives cancel each other out), and the Cemaat-adjacent candidate lost (while if the Turkish nation and the Akp-voter [very similar btw contrary to what many opposition constituents believe] was only stupid enough to not know about the Cemaat's attempts and plan but to be smart enough to hold the government accountable, akp would have lost after the scandal).

There were half-assed attempts to purge Cemaat from the police starting from 2014, and army from 2015 which meant Cemaat was losing time and personnel inside, so they decided on a coup in a hurry probably semi-independetly of U.S. state department but in cooperation with RAND corp and associated retired U.S. officials supportive of Gülen, and financial backing by U.A.E. and Saudi elements. Incidentally it's around this time that elements from inside CHP like Eren Erdem start parroting U.S. state department propaganda points about Turkey and ISIS connections (the connections were mostly true, but the detailed exposition by Eren Erdem reveals the information to be from more serious sources).

AKP is the party of the lowest common denominator class of Turkish society, full of incompetence and ignorance (and anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-critical thinking backwards rustic elements). This is why not only they haven't been able to convince a large swathes of even their own electorate (let alone the opposition electorate) in any serious way of the tangible reality of these operations (as there hasn't been much of a clear expose of these events since they would also expose themselves in the process), but also the purge has been a disaster leaving many higher level elements inside. As you heard AIPAC was using U.S. congresspeople to play the role of anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian rights activists to cover the tracks of the Mossad relations of their agent inside, so have no doubt for a second that they can't do the same with Islamists, as they have done in the past in Afghanistan and Pakistan through Saudi madrasas, in Central Asia and Turkey through Gulen and Cemaat, and now through remnants of Cemaat in probably other names, maybe SADAT, Hizbullah, maybe some other Tarikat, whatever. Who knows. But they will try and our rustic elements are very receptive of that kind of propaganda and they are also very cheap to buy. Many of the former Balyoz and Ergenekon detainees are signalling and warning about a comebcak of Gulenist elements. It seems the economic crisis that is in a minor part due to irrational, sensationalist and horribly planned and executed attempts at decoupling from Gladio and Western-Israeli intelligence communities and the banking systems supportive of them, has backfired into Akp being even more dependent now on the same elements (you think Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and MBS are throwing away money at Erdogan without the green light of their masters?) but this time in a much more weakened state.
 
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IMO, the intact FETO elements inside AKP and some other swords for sale, will attempt a partition from AKP a la the Fazilet to AKP transition, hoping to get people behind them due to economic conditions making people forget their affiliations and intentions. I think their attempts will fail (as the AKP voter is only loyal to the Caliph), but I do hope they are dumb enough to attempt this partition before local elections, because then they will be purged; but if they wait for after the elections they will have a chance to have a say in Erdogan's attempt at a new constitution and they may be able to exert enough influence to shape it in the image of the RAND report, with clauses about secularism removed and federalist clauses added.
 

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I hadn't seen this. So basically AIPAC which has a strong hold over most of U.S. institutions (though that strong hold is on a downturn) and the congresspeople and senators on their payroll were the main proponents of Gulen, AKP and Cemaat's crime syndicate and private school networks in U.S.

She reveals in another part of the video that Turkey, along with UK and Belgium were the only countries in CIA headquarters that didn't have a counterintelligence office dedicated to them before 2001, due to the extent and intensity of the cooperation they had under the Gladio program.

This with other evidence that I have gathered from David Livingstone's book and other people close to Graham Fuller, goes to show the importance U.S., AIPAC, Israel and Mossad allotted to having Turkey under full control through their agents (Like many other people with a proclivity for common sense and anti-conspiratorialism I was also always warry of the talk about foreign powers and their seemingly extraordinary interest in Turkish domestic issues and I did deride this attitude, but it seems Turkey is something special in the eyes of many in western and Israeli intelligence communities as they seem to be much more interested in our country that they are in others in the region or even in the world).

AKP along with Cemaat played the role of the good puppet until 2009 and Erdogan's "one minute" sally (a bold and stupid declaration of intent), after which they probably decided Erdogan's no longer a reliable puppet and started slowly trying to phase him out, while intensifying Ergenekon and Balyoz; antagonism became unbearable for dominant elements of U.S. state department by 2013 due to both anti-Israel rhetoric but more importantly because of the support to Iran in cooperation with Russia to evade their sanctions by helping them launder their petrodollars; as a reaction they started the corruption investigations in the hopes of being able to topple akp in the coming elections of 2014. But you have to ask how could they ensure they got their guy in after Erdogan leaves?

There are a lot of circumstantial evidence that after they decided that Erdogan is not cooperating fully anymore starting from 2009-2010, they tried to occupy the other main party, CHP by introducing their Cemaat elements into them (RAND corp report being a concrete proof of this]. The 2013 corruption scandal didn't have the desired effect in 2014 elections (as the double whammy of doubly stupid akp voter [Firstly they are so stupid that they would never hold a government or its officials accoutable for anything as they work based on blind loyalty to Islamist aesthetics and secondly at the time they don't know anything about Ergenekon and Balyoz and Cemaat and the attempts to take over the government and even if they do know some things, their reaction is to cheer the Cemaat on in their fight against coup plotting Generals] turns positive like how two negatives cancel each other out), and the Cemaat-adjacent candidate lost (while if the Turkish nation and the Akp-voter [very similar btw contrary to what many opposition constituents believe] was only stupid enough to not know about the Cemaat's attempts and plan but to be smart enough to hold the government accountable, akp would have lost after the scandal).

There were half-assed attempts to purge Cemaat from the police starting from 2014, and army from 2015 which meant Cemaat was losing time and personnel inside, so they decided on a coup in a hurry probably semi-independetly of U.S. state department but in cooperation with RAND corp and associated retired U.S. officials supportive of Gülen, and financial backing by U.A.E. and Saudi elements. Incidentally it's around this time that elements from inside CHP like Eren Erdem start parroting U.S. state department propaganda points about Turkey and ISIS connections (the connections were mostly true, but the detailed exposition by Eren Erdem reveals the information to be from more serious sources).

AKP is the party of the lowest common denominator class of Turkish society, full of incompetence and ignorance (and anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-critical thinking backwards rustic elements). This is why not only they haven't been able to convince a large swathes of even their own electorate (let alone the opposition electorate) in any serious way of the tangible reality of these operations (as there hasn't been much of a clear expose of these events since they would also expose themselves in the process), but also the purge has been a disaster leaving many higher level elements inside. As you heard AIPAC was using U.S. congresspeople to play the role of anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian rights activists to cover the tracks of the Mossad relations of their agent inside, so have no doubt for a second that they can't do the same with Islamists, as they have done in the past in Afghanistan and Pakistan through Saudi madrasas, in Central Asia and Turkey through Gulen and Cemaat, and now through remnants of Cemaat in probably other names, maybe SADAT, Hizbullah, maybe some other Tarikat, whatever. Who knows. But they will try and our rustic elements are very receptive of that kind of propaganda and they are also very cheap to buy. Many of the former Balyoz and Ergenekon detainees are signalling and warning about a comebcak of Gulenist elements. It seems the economic crisis that is in a minor part due to irrational, sensationalist and horribly planned and executed attempts at decoupling from Gladio and Western-Israeli intelligence communities and the banking systems supportive of them, has backfired into Akp being even more dependent now on the same elements (you think Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and MBS are throwing away money at Erdogan without the green light of their masters?) but this time in a much more weakened state.
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