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[Chocopie]

I also have another question regarding the Doosan DV27K's dry weight (≈2550 Kg) in comparison to the MTU MT883 Ka-500/501 (≈1800 Kg). First of all, are these numbers true? If so, why is there such a significant difference in weight between the two engines? Do the Germans really have alien tech? What dry weight can we expect from BATU? Sorry for all the questions, I'm really not knowledgable on this subject.

Not an expert, but the dry weight of the Korean diesel engine is said to be ~500 kg heavier than the MTU. As a long stroke engine it‘s also bigger in dimensions.

MTU designs and builds diesel engines for armored tracked vehicles since 1918. That‘s over 100 years of experience and one premier example of German engineering, not alien tech, they‘re simply very good at what their doing.

 

[fire starter]

Not an expert, but the dry weight of the Korean diesel engine is said to be ~500 kg heavier than the MTU. As a long stroke engine it‘s also bigger in dimensions.

MTU designs and builds diesel engines for armored tracked vehicles since 1918. That‘s over 100 years of experience and one premier example of German engineering, not alien tech, they‘re simply very good at what their doing.

Not an expert, but the dry weight of the Korean diesel engine is said to be ~500 kg heavier than the MTU. As a long stroke engine it‘s also bigger in dimensions.

MTU designs and builds diesel engines for armored tracked vehicles since 1918. That‘s over 100 years of experience and one premier example of German engineering, not alien tech, they‘re simply very good at what their doing.

What are the real dimensions of this engine.

 

[moz68k]

Not an expert, but the dry weight of the Korean diesel engine is said to be ~500 kg heavier than the MTU. As a long stroke engine it‘s also bigger in dimensions.

MTU designs and builds diesel engines for armored tracked vehicles since 1918. That‘s over 100 years of experience and one premier example of German engineering, not alien tech, they‘re simply very good at what their doing.

Yeah, that's what I feared. A lot of the quality of these strategic technologies seems to simply be a function of decades, even centuries, of experience.

 

[Chocopie]

What are the real dimensions of this engine.
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This is not the Euro power pack engine (MT883 Ka-500/501).

According to German wiki specs for MB838 Ka-501:

MB 838 Ka-501

1030 kW (1400 PS)

2400/min

1810 × 1940 × 1110 mm

1950 kg

170/175 mm

8 Zyl./3,97 l

31,7 l

Liste von Dieselmotoren für militärische Rad- und Kettenfahrzeuge der MTU Friedrichshafen – Wikipedia

de.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Timur]

and whats problem if its a little bit heavier? total mass of tank is more than 55 tons 500 kilo wont be a problem..

or does it affect the engine itlself indirectly (vibration etc)

 

[Chocopie]

and whats problem if its a little bit heavier? total mass of tank is more than 55 tons 500 kilo wont be a problem..

or does it affect the engine itlself indirectly (vibration etc)

Not really a problem, the MTU is superior in power to weight ratio.

K2 suits Korean mountainous terrain and has less side armor (55 tonnes weight). Also lighter due to autoloader and therefore 3 instead of 4 crew men.

Altay T1 is a lot heavier armored like European MBT (65 tonnes) with 4 men crew. Still a 1,500 hp engine provides enough power. Dunno the specs of T2 or T3.

Main concern is IMO the reliability and durability of transmission gear.

 

[fire starter]

This is not the Euro power pack engine (MT883 Ka-500/501).

According to German wiki specs for MB838 Ka-501:

MB 838 Ka-501

1030 kW (1400 PS)

2400/min

1810 × 1940 × 1110 mm

1950 kg

170/175 mm

8 Zyl./3,97 l

31,7 l

Liste von Dieselmotoren für militärische Rad- und Kettenfahrzeuge der MTU Friedrichshafen – Wikipedia

de.m.wikipedia.org

Seems like someone fucked up wikipedia stats, what about latest series 890 12V.

 

[Chocopie]

Seems like someone fucked up wikipedia stats, what about latest series 890 12V.

Wdym? The specs are correct. What about googling it yourself ... I'm not your maid.

 

[Boz]

TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit evaluated 2022:

For non-Turkish speakers, some of the developments Mr. Akşit highlighted are as follows:

• In 2022, TEI reached approximately 3400 people.

• TEI achieved sales of approximately 375 million dollars.

• TEI with its own resources, have reached to the 6th place in R&D in Turkey.

• In 2022, TEI received 10 national and international awards and were chosen as the employer of the year worldwide.

• TEI increased the power of TS1400, the national engine of our Gökbey helicopter, up to 1572 horsepower.

• TEI have completed the production of two TEI-TS1400 engines.

• The final tests continue before delivering it to TAI. TEI are planning to deliver these engines to TAI around the end of February for the first manned Gökbey flight.

• TEI developed the 225 hp PD222 version of PD170 engine and tested 225 hp.

• TEI carries out rigorous tests to document and record the durability of the engines. In this context, the PD222 engine has successfully completed the 'EASA 440' endurance tests in order to obtain flight certification.

• With the PD170 engine, Aksungur UAV rose above 30 thousand feet for the first time.

• Serial production of PD170 engine continues.

• TEI to manufacture the TEI-T701D engine in Turkey under the license of General Electric.

• TEI to manufacture the T700 engines of Sikorsky helicopters under General Electric license. TEI have completed the production of 85 engines and delivered 84 of them to TAI.

• TEI will produce 236 of the T700 engines we produced for Sikorsky, currently they have produced their 85th engine and have undertaken the maintenance of them for 30 years.

• The Board of Directors meeting of the Turkish Armed Forces Foundation was held in factory. TEI showed the TF-6000 engine for the first time at this meeting.

• Its design is finished, it has entered the production phase. Turkey's most powerful engine, normally it takes 3 years to produce, but TEI will do its best to produce it in 1 year. After all the parts are made, in 3-4 months, the assembly will start.

 

[zio]

Lets go for hürjets motor desing to make her really hür.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Speaking of which, have the GE F404 engines that will be used in the Hürjet prototypes been delivered?

 

[Zafer]

TEI also intend to develop a 3000-3500hp class helicopter engine for the Atak2 to be derived from the TF6000 core, in the video statement.

 

[Hasanrize]

Lets go for hürjets motor desing to make her really hür.

Previously, Mahmut Akşit said that the team working on MMU's engine can do it as well. But, as a side effect, this would cause a delay in MMU's engine. So, it is out of the question at the moment, they won't make it.

 

[Zafer]

Once they are at it they should also develop turboprop versions of both the TS1400 and the TS3000 engines. This will open up a plethora of airplane configurations.

 

[TR_123456]

• TEI to manufacture the TEI-T701D engine in Turkey under the license of General Electric.

• TEI to manufacture the T700 engines of Sikorsky helicopters under General Electric license. TEI have completed the production of 85 engines and delivered 84 of them to TAI.

TEI-T701D for which platform?

 

[Afif]

TEI-T701D for which platform?

T70.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TEI-T701D for which platform?

TEI has been producing the Blackhawk T-70 helicopter engines in house for over a year now. The TEI-T701D engine has a “T” connotation showing that it is manufactured in Turkey. The Indigenisation of parts have been constantly increasing, and a very high degree of parts including the hottest parts of this engine are being produced in house. If memory serves, around 70% of the engine is locally produced.
This engine’s different versions power Apache helicopters. Latest version of these engines develops 1890HP power. There are versions which can develop 2680HP shaft power.
Turkish engine can develop 1994HP maximum short term power with 1716HP continuous power delivery.
The expertise gained from building this engine will make it possible to develop and build our own 2500-3000HP helicopter engine for the T-929 Atak-2 helicopter.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Akşit: "TF-10000 engine will be used in Anka-3 Unmanned Fighter Aircraft. The work for engine (Tf35000) that MMU will use is proceeding"

 

[Tsenal]

Mr Akşit: "TF-10000 engine will be used in Anka-3 Unmanned Fighter Aircraft. The work for engine (Tf35000) that MMU will use is proceeding"

So, is it decided that TEI will develop the MMU engine? No words on TrMotor and Kale-RR?

 

[zio]

Trmotor got an office in Tusaş,we can see plastic prototype of MMU motor sooner than expected.