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We shouldnt speculate too much and begin dreaming based on some theoreticaö calculations or simulations in digital environment, to avoid disillusion. Aksit and others are talking too early. He should just ignite the engine live show the thrust level achieved in public and then no more words are needed.
 

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We shouldnt speculate too much and begin dreaming based on some theoreticaö calculations or simulations in digital environment, to avoid disillusion. Aksit and others are talking too early. He should just ignite the engine live show the thrust level achieved in public and then no more words are needed.
That would be good but people are not so patient and want to know ASAP. There is the TF6000 engine which has already run and supposedly achieved the design power level and the TF10000 engine actively being developed so there is precedence and credibility behind expectetitons. I don't think anyone on this forum thinks we can not make the expected TF35k engine. The only unknow is when it will be operational; when it will be first ignited, when it will be flight ready, when it will be production ready and when it will be in use in large numbers. These are exciting milestones for us thrillseekers to follow.
 
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Why are people talking down TF-6000? It's a very promising, compact and versatile engine, highly efficient, designed for stealth, the core is modular which means you can scale it up to TF10K, you can turn it into a +3000HP turboshaft engine for helicopters (T-929 and T-925) or a naval engine, however mostly useful as a generator on larger ships or propulsion for smaller ones like FAC's.

For commercial use TEI could redesign the front section of the TF6000 and achieve higher bypass ratio, i'd say between 4-5:1 is easily possible, enough to power midsized jets like Gulfstream G280. Such a TF-6000 would give Honeywells HTF7000 a run for it's money in terms of efficiency, the HTF7000 btw. is industry benchmark in that class.

One of the most underappreciated aspects of the TF6000 program is not the engine itself. Aerospace engine history shows that the most strategically valuable aero engines aren't necessarily the most powerful ones. They're the ones flexible enough to spawn entire families. GE's TF34, originally developed for the A-10 Thunderbolt and S-3 Viking, became the foundation for the CF34 regional jet engine, the T700/CT7 turboshaft powering the UH-60 Black Hawk and AH-64 Apache, the CT7 turboprop used in the CN-235 and SAAB 340, and the LM500 marine gas turbine now serving in the Danish and South Korean navies. One core, five derivative paths, decades of industrial return. The TF6000 has the architecture to follow the same logic.

What we already know about the core is that the TF6000 is a low-bypass (BPR 1.08) military turbofan producing 6,000 lbf dry thrust, with a 6-stage axial compressor, 2-stage fan, single-stage HPT and LPT. With over hundred successful tests completed and the TF10000 afterburner variant under parallel development using the same core, TEI has already demonstrated that this architecture is scalable. The compressor pressure ratio and core mass flow figures place it in a bracket comparable to early-generation Western military cores that successfully spawned multi-domain engine families.

To put forward a somewhat speculative but theoretically possible derivative map:

- TF10000: Afterburner turbofan: Already announced. As an example, two TF10000s in a navalised Hürjet-X configuration would put a light carrier-capable fighter in the realm of possibility. Covered in a separate thread, but worth noting here as proof that the core scales upward.

On the other hand, the standard TF6000/10000 already represents a major industrial leap in first-generation UCAV jets.

- Turboshaft derivative (4,500+ shp per engine): Replacing the fan and bypass system with a free power turbine stage yields, on a conservative estimate, somewhere in the 4,500 shp range per engine. The closest real-world analogue is the GE T64 powering the CH-53D Sea Stallion; two T64s at 3,950 shp each lifted a 19-tonne helicopter with 7 tonnes of internal payload. A twin-engine configuration using TF6000-derived turboshafts would point toward a 20–22 tonne MTOW platform with 8–10 tonnes of lift capacity. That is the CH-53 class, a heavy naval transport helicopter the Turkish Navy does not currently operate and has no domestic path toward without a core in exactly this power band. The strategic relevance to TCG Anadolu and future amphibious doctrine is self-evident.

- Turboprop derivative (~2,500 shp): A reduction gearbox and propeller flange in place of the bypass system produces a turboprop in the C-295 / ATR-72 power class. That bracket feeds 20–25 tonne MTOW tactical transport and maritime patrol aircraft, precisely the CN-235 successor category Turkish armed forces have been circling for years.

It also covers the single-engine strategic MALE/HALE UAV tier above Akıncı. The CT7 turboprop's role in the CN-235 is the direct precedent.

- Marine gas turbine (5,000+ kW): Strip the fan, add a power turbine optimised for marine torque characteristics, apply corrosion-resistant coatings, and you have an LM500-class propulsion unit. GE's LM500, itself derived from the TF34 with 90% parts commonality to the CF34, currently powers South Korea's PKX-B patrol boats and Denmark's Flyvefisken-class vessels. The TF6000 core sits in the same power bracket. At 5,000–6,000 kW shaft output, the application space is 500–1,500 tonne fast corvettes and OPVs in CODAG configuration below MILGEM class in displacement but faster and cheaper to produce in quantity.

- Aeroderivative power turbine (5,000+ kW): Industrial and pipeline compression applications. Less glamorous, but this is exactly how GE and Rolls-Royce amortised their engine development costs across decades. Defence-adjacent energy infrastructure is a legitimate destination for a mature core.

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Separate from the TF6000 derivative discussion, the 2030s will likely bring a TS3000-class turboshaft onto the agenda. The TS1400 has already demonstrated 1,740 shp in endurance testing, -24% above its design target- which gives TEI a credible baseline for scaling. T925 and ATAK-2 both require the 2,500–3,000 shp bracket that no domestic engine currently fills. The TS3000 is the logical next step on the rotary-wing side, and the TF6000 core represents the most efficient development path toward it, avoiding a clean-sheet design by leveraging an already-tested high-pressure spool.

In the bigger picture, Turkish defense and aerospace industry is at the point in its defence industrialisation curve where single-programme investments start paying compound returns, but only if the architecture decisions are made deliberately.

The TF6000 core, if developed with derivative applications built into the roadmap from the beginning rather than retrofitted later, could underpin Turkish aviation and naval propulsion across four distinct platform categories simultaneously. That is not an optimistic projection. It is precisely what GE did with TF34 fifty years ago, and what Rolls-Royce did with the T406/AE 2100 family more recently. The industrial logic is proven. The question is whether TEI's roadmap reflects it.



TLDR, A single engine core, deliberately developed across derivative paths could provide the propulsion foundation for:

> A carrier-capable light fighter (TF10000, twin)
> A supersonic combat UCAV (TF10000, single)
> A stealthy subsonic UCAV (TF6000, single)
> A twin-engine long-endurance special mission UCAV. ISR, electronic warfare, stand-off strike, tanker etc.
> A heavy naval transport helicopter (turboshaft derivative)
> A tactical transport and maritime patrol aircraft (turboprop derivative)
> A high-endurance strategic HALE platform (turboprop derivative)
> A next-generation missile corvette (marine gas turbine derivative)
> A fast patrol vessel with domestic propulsion (marine gas turbine derivative)
> A defence facility and pipeline power source (aeroderivative industrial turbine)
 
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I believe once reasonable demand numbers of engines in each derivative class of the TF6000 engine can be foreseen development towards that branch will be started.
 

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