Puma IFV unusable: Is Germany's military unfit for action?

[Chocopie]

The answer would be a clear and loud: „Jaaawohl!“

Paper Puma: Best on paper, useless in battle. Development cost approx. € 6 billion. Price per unit: €17 million (for an IFV, not a MBT!!!!).

German MIC and Bundeswehr are seriously defunct and a danger to national and NATO security as well.

Puma tanks unusable: Is Germany's military unfit for action? – DW – 12/19/2022

Following Russia's attack on Ukraine, German leaders vowed to boost the Bundeswehr and take on a leading role in NATO. But now there is yet another debacle: All of the cutting-edge Puma tanks are unfit for action.

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[Bmx98]

The answer would be a clear and loud: „Jaaawohl!“

Paper Puma: Best on paper, useless in battle. Development cost approx. € 6 billion. Price per unit: €17 million (for an IFV, not a MBT!!!!).

German MIC and Bundeswehr are seriously defunct and a danger to national and NATO security as well.

Puma tanks unusable: Is Germany's military unfit for action? – DW – 12/19/2022

Following Russia's attack on Ukraine, German leaders vowed to boost the Bundeswehr and take on a leading role in NATO. But now there is yet another debacle: All of the cutting-edge Puma tanks are unfit for action.

www.dw.com

As far as I understood the problems were mostly related to the RCWS which to be fair is a bit old and needs to be replaced. Protection wise is still the most protected ifv in the world. However there are other shortcomings such as bad interior design and very heavy combat weight.

 

[Chocopie]

Frequent total failures of the unmanned turret. Only one of many technical problems of Puma for over a decade. From 18 latest model Pumas (turret with integrated Spike LR ATGM) not a single one was left operational during a training exercise: electronics failure, cable fire and turret failure.

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Technical problems plague Germany's Puma armored vehicles – DW – 12/18/2022

The German-built infantry fighting vehicles were reportedly plagued by defects during a recent training exercise. The incidents have jeopardized the vehicle's use in NATO's spearhead force next year.

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[Huelague]

The answer would be a clear and loud: „Jaaawohl!“

Paper Puma: Best on paper, useless in battle. Development cost approx. € 6 billion. Price per unit: €17 million (for an IFV, not a MBT!!!!).

German MIC and Bundeswehr are seriously defunct and a danger to national and NATO security as well.

Puma tanks unusable: Is Germany's military unfit for action? – DW – 12/19/2022

Following Russia's attack on Ukraine, German leaders vowed to boost the Bundeswehr and take on a leading role in NATO. But now there is yet another debacle: All of the cutting-edge Puma tanks are unfit for action.

www.dw.com

German weapons are not allow to use in a battle. Result is, what we see right now.

 

[Mustafa27]

As I said before German Military is a joke, i doubt there will be any changes to this. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for change. People seemed hopeful for the 100 billion euro but i don't think anything will change. They need to revamp their army administration and get rid of this overregulation that is in the military.

 

[Chocopie]

During the Cold War the Bundeswehr was a capable force (very good and reliable equipment for Sea, Land, Air in vast numbers, well-trained conscript soldiers, efficient leadership). It was never a top-notch but a battle-ready military. The steady decline in readiness and efficiency is appalling.

 

[NEKO]

The steady decline in readiness and efficiency is appalling.

When did it actually started? And what caused it?

 

[Ryder]

During the Cold War the Bundeswehr was a capable force (very good and reliable equipment for Sea, Land, Air in vast numbers, well-trained conscript soldiers, efficient leadership). It was never a top-notch but a battle-ready military. The steady decline in readiness and efficiency is appalling.

Cold war ended in turn Germany basically cut its whole defence spending as there were no longer threats it had to face plus they had to incorporate East Germany which in turn also inherited their army.

This what happens when you get too comfortable while at the same time I can see why so much defence was cut as they had to incorporate East Germany into a united Germany it really costed a lot for unification.

I think German members can explain so much it costed and the headache it was.