Results of the Gaza war

[500]

So the war came to an end. Lets check the results.

The beginning of Gaza war was a total catastrophe for Israel: 1200 killed, 210 alive hostages, including 10 soldiers. In addition Hezbollah and the Houthis also started their attack against Israel. Both aided by Assad Syria and Iran. First months of the war there were non stop rocket attacks on all Israel major cities both from Gaza and Lebanon.

7 Oct also drastically shattered Israel's deterrence, especially since propaganda spread stories about hundreds of Israeli soldier POWs dozens high ranking officers and generals (not a single officer was captured even lieutenant), hundreds destroyed tanks etc..

Israel is extremely sensitive to hostages and POWS. We gave 1000 prisoners (including Yahya Sinwar BTW) for 1 soldier. So with 210 alive hostages they could dictate almost everything.

So how the war ended?

Overall its's Israeli victory:
1) Israel returned 168 hostages alive (80%). The remaining were killed in captivity. No more alive hostages in Gaza. Thus Hamas lost cards to pressure Israel.
2) Israel still controls half of Gaza territory.
3) Rocket arsenal of Hamas is destroyed. They can't threaten Israeli towns anymore.
4) Border between Gaza and Egypt is totally cut off. So Hamas can't rearm.
5) All of the Hamas leadership which planned 7 Oct is eliminated + the symbol of Hamas Abu Obeida,
6) Trump's plan which was supported by all major Muslim countries, includes disarming of Hamas demilitarization of Gaza. This allows Israel strike Hamas in case they resume training and rearming. Like Israel strikes Hezbollah in Lebanon now.
7) Israeli economy remained stable.
8) Arab Israelis remained loyal, not even small riots during 2 years of war.
9) The Abraham accords remained intact.
10) No any serious sanctions imposed on Israel.

Hamas achievements:
1) They managed to kill 1700 Israelis (including 1200 on 7 Oct).
2) They inflicted heavy damage to Israeli economy.
3) They survived.
4) Most important is propaganda victory. They managed to push "genocide" and "starvation" narratives (using pictures of cerebral palsy kids). They totally dominated university campuses and tiktoks. Only time will show how long living will be this victory (trends are usually pretty short living).


On Hezbollah-Syria front we have a total decisive victory for Israel:

1) The entire leadership is destroyed, instead of supercharmismatic and strong leader Nasrallah we have a scared old man Naim Kassem.
2) Pager operation had heavy impact on medium command.
3) Hezbollah lost thousands and most of its missile arsenal.
4) Israel destroyed frontline Hezbollah villages and still controls 5 strategic points inside Lebanon,
5) Most importantly Syria is lost (which is the direct result of Hezbollah destruction) and now Hezbollah is isolated.

Iran front:

Israeli victory again.

1) Israel killed top IRGC commanders, including the guy who was responsible for connection with Hezbollah and Hamas since 1990-es.
2) Israel inflicted super heavy damage to Iran nuclear program (with US help).
3) Israel inflicted heavy damage to Iran missile program
4) UN sanctions are reinstalled on Iran.

Houthi front:

Here we have a Houthi victory. They inflicted naval blockade on Israel and fired rockets till the end.
Israel killed their ministers and chief of staff, but that does not really affect the Houthis.

Although only 1 Israeli civilian was killed from all the Houthis attacks. But naval blockade is very serious thing.

 

[mehmed beg]

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The most important thing out of all this is THE FACT that a lot of people everywhere have realised that existence of the Zionists brings human kind into danger.
From now , the things will go down the hill for the Zionists. Boomers are dying off and younger people, both on left and right, question the reason for the existence of the Jews.
To argue with this charlatan wheather it was Genocide or not is beyond the the point. The mere blubbering of the leaders of Zionists is enough to persecute The Zionists.
Ben Gvir , Smotrich etc. Confession with the pride to the deliberate targeting children and religious justification for it , merits banning of the existence of Judaism.
Only 2 Israel children were documented killed by Hamas and that's according to The Haaretz?

People pretending that they were starving, well I didn't see the Zionists feeding them either?
We saw Zionists protest their right to kill and rape the prisoners? Am I lying about that to or all people here are blind?
Wasn't that girl killed by 360 bullets ? Didn't the people brag about that? Have they been persecuted by the Zionist courts? And there are plenty of cases like that
International Court of Justice issued the warrant for the arrest of the Israeli politicians, no? Out of thin air.
Oh yes, if it wasn't human made famine, why did Jewery were throwing themselves Infront of food lorries?
Also ,How many times the Zionists proclaimed their support for ypg? Hasn't the Zionist shown the maps, which claim territory from Turkey? Or , Israel support for Greek Cyprus?
The fact that no fact work with the Zionist just indicates that for Zionists there is no place in the civilized world ?
You may say that I am harsh but can you seriously dispute the FACT , that the same Idea is openly propagated by the Zionists?
Didn't a Zionist say to ShabboGoy Tommy Robinson " Britain has special place in the Hell" no? I am lying, am I lying Mr 500 and if I do in which way I lie?
Ok now , say something, will you?

 

[Huelague]

The beginning of Gaza war was a total catastrophe for Israel: 1200 killed

Killed by whom?

 

[TR_123456]

This is Turkish forum, no?

No,it is an International forum.
Use ''Zionist'' instead of ''Jew'' or your posts will be deleted.
Not all Jews are Zonists.

 

[Huelague]

Not all Jews are Zonists

I disagree vehement. They are all Zionists. But not all Zionists are same.

 

[Sanchez]

I disagree vehement. They are all Zionists. But not all Zionists are same.

This is just categorically wrong; biggest names of anti zionist movement are Jewish, they have been for decades.

 

[Huelague]

This is just categorically wrong; biggest names of anti zionist movement are Jewish, they have been for decades.

You are absolutely wrong about that. Maybe there are difference between what they say and what they actually do. But all of them are Zionists, and this fact is proven.

I will open a thread about “Zionism” later.

 

[NEKO]

This is just categorically wrong; biggest names of anti zionist movement are Jewish, they have been for decades.

Only tiny, very tiny percentages tho.

Also, the current palestine genocide is going quite successfully for israel, wether it's the UN, ICJ, all got slapped silly by the US.
UNSC also got castrated by the US.

 

[Perun]

Israel didnt defeat Iran, that is for sure

 

[begturan]

It is truly disgusting that the most heinous massacre in human history is being committed and then portrayed as a success!

 

[NEKO]

It is truly disgusting that the most heinous massacre in human history is being committed and then portrayed as a success!

Because the world failed to prevent and stop the genocide also the world still unable to held israel accountable.

 

[TR_123456]

Because the world failed to prevent and stop the genocide also the world still unable to held israel accountable.

No not the world,the Arab countries betrayed the Palestinians.
How do you expect the world to act when their own bretherns do not care,what kind of logic is that?
If all Arab countries had united,threathened a stop to all oil and gas exports to the US and Europe and threathened a combined military action against Israel,the war would have ended immediately.
So,before you accuse the world of failing you should understand the reality of it all.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

So the war came to an end. Lets check the results.

The beginning of Gaza war was a total catastrophe for Israel: 1200 killed, 210 alive hostages, including 10 soldiers. In addition Hezbollah and the Houthis also started their attack against Israel. Both aided by Assad Syria and Iran. First months of the war there were non stop rocket attacks on all Israel major cities both from Gaza and Lebanon.

7 Oct also drastically shattered Israel's deterrence, especially since propaganda spread stories about hundreds of Israeli soldier POWs dozens high ranking officers and generals (not a single officer was captured even lieutenant), hundreds destroyed tanks etc..

Israel is extremely sensitive to hostages and POWS. We gave 1000 prisoners (including Yahya Sinwar BTW) for 1 soldier. So with 210 alive hostages they could dictate almost everything.

So how the war ended?

Overall its's Israeli victory:
1) Israel returned 168 hostages alive (80%). The remaining were killed in captivity. No more alive hostages in Gaza. Thus Hamas lost cards to pressure Israel.
2) Israel still controls half of Gaza territory.
3) Rocket arsenal of Hamas is destroyed. They can't threaten Israeli towns anymore.
4) Border between Gaza and Egypt is totally cut off. So Hamas can't rearm.
5) All of the Hamas leadership which planned 7 Oct is eliminated + the symbol of Hamas Abu Obeida,
6) Trump's plan which was supported by all major Muslim countries, includes disarming of Hamas demilitarization of Gaza. This allows Israel strike Hamas in case they resume training and rearming. Like Israel strikes Hezbollah in Lebanon now.
7) Israeli economy remained stable.
8) Arab Israelis remained loyal, not even small riots during 2 years of war.
9) The Abraham accords remained intact.
10) No any serious sanctions imposed on Israel.

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Hamas achievements:
1) They managed to kill 1700 Israelis (including 1200 on 7 Oct).
2) They inflicted heavy damage to Israeli economy.
3) They survived.
4) Most important is propaganda victory. They managed to push "genocide" and "starvation" narratives (using pictures of cerebral palsy kids). They totally dominated university campuses and tiktoks. Only time will show how long living will be this victory (trends are usually pretty short living).


On Hezbollah-Syria front we have a total decisive victory for Israel:

1) The entire leadership is destroyed, instead of supercharmismatic and strong leader Nasrallah we have a scared old man Naim Kassem.
2) Pager operation had heavy impact on medium command.
3) Hezbollah lost thousands and most of its missile arsenal.
4) Israel destroyed frontline Hezbollah villages and still controls 5 strategic points inside Lebanon,
5) Most importantly Syria is lost (which is the direct result of Hezbollah destruction) and now Hezbollah is isolated.

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Iran front:

Israeli victory again.

1) Israel killed top IRGC commanders, including the guy who was responsible for connection with Hezbollah and Hamas since 1990-es.
2) Israel inflicted super heavy damage to Iran nuclear program (with US help).
3) Israel inflicted heavy damage to Iran missile program
4) UN sanctions are reinstalled on Iran.

Houthi front:

Here we have a Houthi victory. They inflicted naval blockade on Israel and fired rockets till the end.
Israel killed their ministers and chief of staff, but that does not really affect the Houthis.

Although only 1 Israeli civilian was killed from all the Houthis attacks. But naval blockade is very serious thing.

War?

 

[Yasar_TR]

A Jew is a person of Jewish heritage he has inherited from his mother, and believes in the religion of Judaism.

Yet a Zionist is a person who supports the movement for a Jewish state in the old Israelite lands.

Not all Jews are Zionists, as people's views on Zionism vary, and the term can also be used by non-Jews. Therefore, "Jew" is an identity and "Zionist" is an ideology or political stance that was created in the 19th century.

Use it accordingly!

 

[TR_123456]

Israel didnt defeat Iran, that is for sure

Are you serious or just joking?
If you are serious then explain,why not?

 

[Sanchez]

Are you serious or just joking?
If you are serious then explain,why not?

They for sure gutted Hezbollah and Lebanon is open to Israel like this first time since 82 but Iraq still stands and Iranian nuclear program looks to be mostly unhampered. Last IAEA report still gives the enriched uranium stocks same as before the war.

Israel's adversaries have the time on their side by their nature. What Iran lost, it can regather. Israel decided to use the Oct 7 attack to reshape the region; it won in some areas, like in Lebanon, but failed on others.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If a country’s airforce can fly in to enemy airspace unhampered and bomb any place at it’s leisure because they have already taken out top brass of enemy and destroyed the AD systems of that enemy, then that enemy has lost the war big time. They are like all their gates open ready to receive beating in any which way.

That is what happened in Karabagh. They lost air superiority. Azerbaijani drones played havoc with Armenian armour and infantry.
Israel could have done the same with Iranian ground assets if they wanted to.

Iraq is standing , but on only one leg. Everyone was expecting a bloody war with Saddam forces well dug in around big cities and Baghdad. US bought the generals and top brass of the army. Iraqi command system collapsed and US conquered the whole country with minimal losses on their side.

Now Iraq is broken and fractured in to different factions. Nothing left of the million strong army Saddam had put together.
Israel had a double whammy result with latest İran bombing. Iraq was becoming an Iranian sympathiser country. Now they have to think twice before they can think about leaning their backs against the incompetent Mullahs!

 

[Huelague]

How do you expect the world to act when their own bretherns do not care,what kind of logic is that?

A simple one. They are humans.

 

[Huelague]

If a country’s airforce can fly in to enemy airspace unhampered and bomb any place at it’s leisure because they have already taken out top brass of enemy and destroyed the AD systems of that enemy, then that enemy has lost the war big time. They are like all their gates open ready to receive beating in any which way.

I disagree. Without “boots on the ground” and raising your flag on it, you can’t say, I have won the war, because I have air superiority.

The real question is, what exactly did Israel really won? What was the mission? If the mission was to kill Iranian military elite, than they finished the mission. But winning the whole war is a different story.